Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
Peace Teggy
Mughal1 undermines the collective understanding of Islam - he calls it "set of make beliefs and useless rituals" - he believes that he has the Deen and we have nothing ...
It would be interesting for him to try and explain what is meant by the Abrahamic sacrifice ... And how if there was no intent to take "his child's life" (AS) - a dedication can take place ... and his evidence thereof.
Dear psyah, your understanding of my point of view is incorrect. Humans have no such things as collective understanding because we are learning things each day and every second of our lives. All you can say is that some of us can agree on certain facts in context of real world realities and explanations that make best possible sense. It is because to understand the best possible explanation one needs to have the needed information and its proper understanding before the best possible explanation makes sense to oneself. This is why the quran makes no sense to people who have not prepared themselves for its proper understanding. If any people claim to understand the quran properly let them put forth their models of the way of life that is advised by the quran as they understand it. Then examine each of these models and see if any of them works as any of the people claim. if they do not then their claims about proper understanding of the quran are false and none can defend them.
For example, if we want a best car then we need to ask people who claim to be well verses in this field to come up with their models and when they come up with their models we can examine them and see which of them is the best and take that and leave the rest. Same is true for all religions, scriptures and mullahs. Let them all be put through the very same test and see if any of them comes on the top.
What I am saying is, people must learn things for themselves and see what they come up with and if anything they agree upon then that is fine. Truth can only and only be one but our opinions about the truth can vary depending upon what we know and how much of it we know for sure, remember we are all born not knowing anything. Some of us learn things much more than others so if anything we should try to find out who those people are and what they have discovered. By trying to stop each other from discovering things we are only working against the best interest of humanity itself. Whatever is against the best interest of human community is not hoy but unholy.
Whatever is unholy only an ignorant and foolish person can attribute to God and his messengers or scriptures. Now who is attributing unholy things to God? Look into things and you will find that rulers, money lenders and priesthood is at the forefront of it. They are dividing humanity on various grounds to take advantage of this division ie it leaves them free to keep masses confused and to use and abuse them at will for their own ends.
Tell me, does quran allow rule of people by people?
Does quran allow use and abuse of people by each other?
Does quran allow that people make fools of each other in the name of God?
Do rulers not become rulers to use and abuse masses?
Do money lenders not set-up stage for people to use and abuse each other by way of using money as basis for dealing with each other?
Do mullahs not use scriptures to set up stage for people to use and abuse each other?
One cannot defend anything that is harmful and even destructive for humanity no matter what so it is better that people use their God given brains and senses and see how they can come together as a proper human community. This is what the quran is all about to begin with.
This is why people need to separate religions and scriptures and mullahs and followers of religions and followers of scriptures and then look at scriptures as basis for ways of life and see where they all lead humanity.
It is time for all the masses who claim to follow any scripture that they wake up and look at the scriptures as guidance to a way of life not any religion. Muslims should do this in case of the quran and jews in case of torah and parses in case avesta and hindus in case vedas or christians in case of bible etc etc.
Masses have been fooled for far too long by their priests, rulers and money dealers about their scriptures and their actual teachings. It is time they studied their scriptures with critical eyes looking for models in them to see what kind of life will come about if they followed those teachings and then examine those models and see which of them is top model among all of them if any or is it that they all teach the very same basic truth or falsehood and support each other?
As explained, people are born knowing nothing and take time to learn thing so at what stage anyone can claim one has learned the allegedly Godly revealed scripture? If people who never studied any scripture in detail in their life time and tell us this is true scripture or this is its true teaching how right can we be in accepting their claims till we examine things for ourselves? Will joining of a lot of such people together make what they claim true? No, it will not. if some claim is true then it is true only because their is sufficient evidence for its truth and likewise it is false if there is sufficient evidence for that. Minority or majority opinion is not the criterion for truth of a scripture or for its falsehood for that matter.
Scriptures have been pushed aside as irrelevant not necessarily because they are totally false but because they stop people from living as enemies of each other. So those who want to divide humanity to rule it for use and abuse of it for personal gains they are the ones who are responsible for this step. These people are rulers, priests and money lenders.
These people have used various social, political, religious, cultural and economic tricks and mechanism to divide humanity and to keep it divided. We will be our worst enemies if we will let them get away with it.
regards and all the best.