Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
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Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
Even if there is a 0.01% chance that God is there and he would throw non believers in hell, and it turned out to be true, then in the words of hazrat kishore - aap ka kya hoga janaab e aali?
Given that there are all kinds of belief systems and most people don't change the faith that they were born in, how can one be sure that the God you inherited from your parents is the actual true God?
Given that everyone is sure of the exclusive veracity of their belief in God, how does a belief in the wrong God help those that don't hold your particular belief? In other words, determining the true belief system is a prerequisite in order to receive any benefit from the 'what if' possibility of there being a God.
And since most people don't seriously study other belief systems in order to find the right path that leads to God, it's just a roll of the dice that the belief system you inherited will actually save you from hell.
Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
^Being born in Muslim family does not guarantee jannah
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most atheists are the ones who ended up looking. and most believers are the ones who dont dare question what they were told as kids to never question. so rest easy, my friend.
and arrogance is assuming the whole universe was made to test you, and somehow god has selected one bunch of people with a divine language etc etc. very convenient with a lot of excuses. open your eyes and look.
1-did you look ?
2-for conformation of you current ideas or into possibility of being wrong ?
As for the second part, as I mentioned above he does not want us to trying to imagine him.
To us its universe is complicated, to him its matter of one command.
There are no chosen people!!!!!!! It was a jewish concept.
Guidance is for any one to take, just a quick search can show you who is accepting it.
(its fundamentally wrong assumption on your part, that make me feel NBs just arrogantly dont think its worth of their full attention )
Given that there are all kinds of belief systems and most people don’t change the faith that they were born in, how can one be sure that the God you inherited from your parents is the actual true God?
Given that everyone is sure of the exclusive veracity of their belief in God, how does a belief in the wrong God help those that don’t hold your particular belief? In other words, determining the true belief system is a prerequisite in order to receive any benefit from the ‘what if’ possibility of there being a God.
And since most people don’t seriously study other belief systems in order to find the right path that leads to God, it’s just a roll of the dice that the belief system you inherited will actually save you from hell.
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I did not say anything about my God, or me being saved from hell.
Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
Given that there are all kinds of belief systems and most people don't change the faith that they were born in, how can one be sure that the God you inherited from your parents is the actual true God?
Given that everyone is sure of the exclusive veracity of their belief in God, how does a belief in the wrong God help those that don't hold your particular belief? In other words, determining the true belief system is a prerequisite in order to receive any benefit from the 'what if' possibility of there being a God.
And since most people don't seriously study other belief systems in order to find the right path that leads to God, it's just a roll of the dice that the belief system you inherited will actually save you from hell.
Just closely monitor which religeion you find least or no people saying "I don't believe in God or religion"
Think about the reason why.
I read bible:
thoroughly spoke to Christians/hindus/sikhs.
I even say, Hinduism is a form of distorted shape of true religeion of God
Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
Even if there is a 0.01% chance that God is there and he would throw non believers in hell, and it turned out to be true, then in the words of hazrat kishore - aap ka kya hoga janaab e aali?
what if christian God is the true one and denying Jesus Christ as son of God and Savior *(not merely a prophet) will be the reason why someone gets thrown in hell, phir aapka kya hoga bhai?
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^Being born in Muslim family does not guarantee jannah
but it does put you at a huge advantage. just simple belief in Allah and prophet guarantees jannah at some point, even if you commit sins. after doing the time in hell , all Muslims will eventually go to Jannah whereas non-believers will never.
There is no such thing as Christian God our Jew God or Muslim God. There is just one. :(
Quran says that only sin Allah will definitely not forgive is Shirk. That just tells me that as long as you believe in one creator, no matter which faith you belong to, you might be ok.
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what if christian God is the true one and denying Jesus Christ as son of God and Savior *(not merely a prophet) will be the reason why someone gets thrown in hell, phir aapka kya hoga bhai?
Do your self a favour read gospels.
Read salms first few lines, you will see son go God means more like a phophet of good person.
Jesus(pbuh) told gentiles how to be sons of God.
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There is no such thing as Christian God our Jew God or Muslim God. There is just one. :(
Quran says that only sin Allah will definitely not forgive is Shirk. That just tells me that as long as you believe in one creator, no matter which faith you belong to, you might be ok.
thats what Quran says. As per Quran then, Christians commit shirk since they consider jesus christ as son of god and not a prophet. but according to many christians, muslims will go to hell forever as they donot consider Jesus Christ as their savior/lord. so what if their religion is the true one?
what if someone believes in many gods such as polytheists? will they go to hell?
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There are no chosen people!!!!!!! It was a jewish concept. (its fundamentally wrong assumption on your part, that make me feel NBs just arrogantly dont think its worth of their full attention )
and what is "jewish"? not a religion? as per jewish religion, they were chosen by god. you are a non-believer here.
and each religion has such lovely nuggets embedded thru it. take off your glasses and look.
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and what is "jewish"? not a religion? as per jewish religion, they were chosen by god. you are a non-believer here.
and each religion has such lovely nuggets embedded thru it. take off your glasses and look.
queer we have saying in pakistan. "un ny apli qabar meen jana hy meeny apni qabar meen jana hy"
Means you are accountable for your own relation with people and God.
It does not matter what other people think do and ask or suggest you to do.
Only person accountable it you.
So I am asking you have you looked ?
With as honesty as you would for you career.
Not get off track, but picking one thing after an other so you don't have look at truth, does not help.
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thats what Quran says. As per Quran then, Christians commit shirk since they consider jesus christ as son of god and not a prophet. but according to many christians, muslims will go to hell forever as they donot consider Jesus Christ as their savior/lord. so what if their religion is the true one? what if someone believes in many gods such as polytheists? will they go to hell?
wow... you are so faith full that you can even discard what Jesus(pbuh) said him self.
Good going.
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dude, you can have bella, theorist, kprasad and southie on your side - and we can have Monk alone, and we will still win.
Eik monk sab pe bhaari
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no Boss.
bella hands down is a winner.
Look what she does...
Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
I have no arguments about your Arabic translation. Languages have nuances and it's often necessary to give context, rather than simply translate word for word. You've given context, and I suspect your translation is probably more accurate for the connotation.
But, you other point. Nothing is more indicative of religion than the place you were born. You were born into a Muslim family in a largely Muslim nation, so you have been raised to be Muslim with a faith in Islam. Most Hindus are Indian, Most Europeans are Christians, etc.. Each thanking their own god(s) for being born the way they were and believing they have access to the ultimate truth.
Peace kprasad
I am British ... Ethnically Pakistani ... I have seen that most people these days are not members of their own born in to religion .. They are nominals of their religion and really only follow humanism or hedonism ... Based on the dominant wave of society they prefer to be a part of ... So those who are religious today are actually the minority. They are the ones who are not following trends ... I mean this about atheists and strictly religious people.
The common ground between serious anti-religion atheists and religious is that they have both departed from the idea of not thinking about God ... Everyone else is so pre-absorbed in themselves they have no time to think about God ... Atheists think about God so much to deny Him and the religious think about God to become with Him ... Your word could be right for people like the Armish, Mormons and Baptist Texas ... But I have always been part of a mixed and bustling metropolis of faiths ... I was personally raised in an area of the UK where no particular religion had a dominance.
Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
thats what Quran says. As per Quran then, Christians commit shirk since they consider jesus christ as son of god and not a prophet. but according to many christians, muslims will go to hell forever as they donot consider Jesus Christ as their savior/lord. so what if their religion is the true one? what if someone believes in many gods such as polytheists? will they go to hell?
Peace bella88
The reason why you think this is a battle of mere opinions is because you have not studied or do not wish to bring the study evidence in to this conversation. For the historical map of how Christianity formed you need to see that there were huge dogmatic struggles in the first 4 centuries where different ideas of God were being presented. The people who won were the Romans ... They won by various means which involved oppression, persecution, conversion of one of their emperors, and a syncretisation of the dominant beliefs ... Islam had a creed from inside out, the belief system developed before the life order ... Christianity had its creed bolted on ... If you could see that as clearly as those who have done the research and you were honestly looking for truth then this argument of one opinion vs another would not be raised as a valid argument .... It is flawed ...
For those people who think this is a matter of my opinion vs his and hence a stalemate ... Are choosing not to resort to deeper questions ... Those that will unravel the stronger arguments and stronger more consistent, more flowing and balanced arguments ... But by choosing not to go to that level ... They are in fact choosing to "cover" their own inner eyes afraid of deducing a truth that might be different to their whims ... As long as they feel unsure then they are comforted in the fact that it is all opinion ... But on that Day of Judgement we will be asked ... Why we rejected? ... Why we didn't seek Him out? ... Why we did not choose to find the truth? ... It will not be enough to say ... Oh it was all so confusing ... Or to us it just looked like one opinion vs other equally flawed opinions ... If we don't even take that step to investigate the available religions comparatively in depth then we have failed to give any of them due diligence.
Re: Inside the heart of non-believers
In my view, people must look at scriptures on their own and not learn what they mean from priesthood or mullaiyat because they mislead people through make beliefs and useless rituals. In other words religions are make beliefs and useless rituals invented by mullahs to move people away from actual scriptural teachings.
The whole quran is based upon the idea of deen versus mazhab. Deen means a way of life for mankind that is advised by Allah for fulfilling their needs whereas mazhab means make beliefs and useless rituals invented by mullahs to replace deen so that people could rule each other and thereby dictate to each other how they should live and fulfil their needs.
The question is, why mullahs were so desperate to replace deen with mazhab? It is because rulers, money lenders and mullahs work together to use and abuse masses by making them adopt a way of life based upon personal gains at the expense of each other.
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As for existence of God, this is not a normal case of claim and evidence so it should not be looked at in that context. Here case is very different because we are looking for a cause outside natural causes. Our first hurdle is we are born ignorant and it takes a few decades at least to become self aware and aware of real world realities and to understand existence of ultimate reality is yet more difficult thing to do.
Since we are not all aware at any stage of our lives therefore we can never be in a position to claim there is no God. Why not? Because each time we learn something new it does not lead us to knowledge that there is no God. Even being reasonable we are not in a position to claim there is no God because reason does not lead to that conclusion either.
No matter what atheists claim there is no God because they assume without actually studying the scriptures in their original texts that they are wrong because they contain so many mistakes in them. Almost all there claims about scriptures are false because they use interpretations by mullahs. The day people who have sense study the scriptures in their original texts they will come to realise that scriptures do support each other to a great extent and what priests attribute to the scriptures is almost all false and creation of their own baseless imaginations. For getting the hang of the idea see the provided link.
To disprove existence of God reasonably we need to show that anything that does not exist already can come into existence all by itself, can we?
We need to show that anything that exists can activate itself, can we?
We need to show that anything that exists and can activate itself can also design itself into numberless patterns or forms, can we?
Therefore all this needs something already existing and that thing has to be an intelligent being well capable of doing things that we see happening all around us.
The other thing is existence of a book like the quran, we need to come up with arguments solid enough that could prove that the quran is a human work. For detail see the provided link.
Let us now come to another point which is, some of us human beings claim that God does not exist because we can explain how each and everything works. This is a false claim because if we go into detail of things then we will find that there are a lot of things about which we are not yet sure how they came about or happened even in the natural world. I accept that one day we will be able to explain things a lot better but will that lead to proof that there is no God? No, not at all. It is because as we will study things with time more and more things will be found falling in line with the explanation already given in the quran.
Let me try and explain the point I am trying to make. My point is that a person invents or builds something and does not tell others how he did it. Now other people start looking into it and start figuring out how that thing has been build and one day they discover all the secrets as to how someone built that thing, does knowing how thing was built eliminate its creator? Likewise even if