Im coming across a lot of asylum claims based on homosexuality in pakistan. They all say we did not have the opportunity to talk to girls.
But i dont see how, theres no real segregation or pardah. The internet, phones hve made it easier
But yes its becoming more common in pak to be gay and according to reports its almost acceptable to be gay in peshawar!
In my opinion this is not the result of segregation or pardah in islam at all but rather lust lack of deen and the west
true but its probably easier to mix with people of your own gender and family will suspect less. I think its more cultural rather than related to religion. Plus reputation is less at stake. If a girl becomes close friends for purpose of rishta and then things don't work out there might be words said about her. Plus double standards exist in all desi communities. i doubt many of those gays will be out and in the end most people marry. i think the issue is made bigger than what it is.
I once worked with an Afghan woman who had a very low opinion of Pakistanis because of her experience as a wealthy refugee going to a girls boarding school in Peshawar..... she was bullied for not being willing to engage in homosexual behavior with the other girls. She mentioned that although she knew on a logical level that it wasn't true, emotionally she's felt that Pakistan is a nation of perverts after that that experience!
I wonder if she had something to say about blatant contempt for women in her native country, Afghanistan. Yes, Pak is no Sweden either but I am glad to hear that even in conservative cities, there are boarding schools for girls in Pak. And I am proud of the fact that Pakistanis were the ones to elect the first Muslim female head of state. Can we say the same about Afghans? No doubt, things are finally getting better of late in Afghanistan--at least, thankfully, girls can now go to schools there--and women in Pak and indeed in much of South Asia face a LOT of problems and challenges too, but it seems like there is still a long way to before Afghans catch up with women's rights, even by South Asian standards.
One of his wives wears burqa but is apparently fine with him sleeping with men for money..
*'He claims to have slept with more than 3,000 men during his working life - despite having two wives and eight children.
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One of his wives, Sumera, wears a burka and the niqab, but she has no objection to her husband's chosen profession and wishes more people would keep an open mind.'
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One of his wives wears burqa but is apparently fine with him sleeping with men for money..
*'He claims to have slept with more than 3,000 men during his working life - despite having two wives and eight children.
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One of his wives, Sumera, wears a burka and the niqab, but she has no objection to her husband's chosen profession and wishes more people would keep an open mind.'
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That definitely sounds exaggerated. how can anyone have had contact with that many people? And was he counting each of the thousands :/
I came across this article and was completely shocked. This exists everywhere we all know but the fact that Pakistan is portrayed as an Islamic Shariah abiding country where mostly culture plays a bigger role than religion, I was surprised to find how the level of gay operations going on, especially in the way described in the article.
Im sure this has been discussed before. The article you referred to was from 2009, so heres a new up to date view of whats going on in our noble country.
PS: Its the same article and the issue has been discussed to death many times including in the thread opened a few weeks ago. Whats new you want to highlight?
I posted a thread about an article I read. I didn't do searches through the whole of the forum to see whether it already exists, so what exactly are you so frustrated about.
addiction? bit of a strong word used there. Im hardly addicted to this topic if I have added one post on it. or does that make me an addict? This topic is something that is shunned in Pakistani community, like if u don't talk about it, it doesn't exist. part of the article talks about how groups gather outside of religious sites to perform group sex, sick if you ask me, and yet these are the same people that talk about status and make themselves look grand infront of people from other cultures. Pakistan seriously needs to deal with their internal situation before thinking theyre above everyone else. Im a pakisatani myself and feel like those particularly living in Pakistan believe they are better equipped in terms of social ability and status than those abroad, yet they are completely ignorant to sick things like this going on. If no one ever speaks up the country will remain the way its going.
No offence but Pakistan and the subcontinent have a lot more to worry about than a few gays and lesbians living in Pakistan. Majority of whom
marry and have children and do their operations underground. None of them come out publicly. Similarly there is an underground scene of parties where guys and girls meet. Things happen here but they happen underground and behind closed doors.
I think first fix the more important things rather than being fixated on this topic. I doubt that it is something which would even affect you unless you knew a gay person. Why be so righteous when there are other sins happening such as murder, backbiting, gossiping, relationships between males and females before marriage, alcohol consumption etc.
How do you know that the article is accurate and those things actually go on in religious places rather than it being exaggerated? Do you live in Pakistan? And if you do how will you stop this stuff from happening..will you marry a gay guy to stop him from doing these things? If you're really serious don't just marry any gay guy marry one who is noticeably gay. Who talks and walks effeminately. Best way to execute change is to be the change you want to see.
Well, I don't see why what two consenting adults do with each other in their home should be anyone else's concern? Let them be. It's not like gays are harming anyone else in society.
The actual people who do deserve societal scorn but often go unscathed in a country like Pak are people like tax evaders. Fewer than 2% of Pakistanis pay taxes. There are thousands of people in Pakistan who are in a position to pay and should be paying taxes but don't even as their country's slide into economic dishevel continues unabated. Those tax evaders are the ones who deserve societal condemnation, not gays or lesbians.
so whats the solution? The problem has been highlighted again and again by well wishers of Pakistan and Pakistanis, without proving any solution. I would like to know new perspective and possible solution this time.