For Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, the dead line is Feb 21, 2003.
Pakistan has asked US to re-view immigration law. US took that in consideration. Sadly, there are no protest from major Pakistani-American organzations in the US.
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Originally posted by Faisal: *
I find it a bit odd to read comments from people in Pakistan which say "We don't deserve this treatment from America, especially when we did everything for the Americans". * Correct me if I am wrong, but the people of Pakistan did zilch for America except to take out protests outside airbases used by United States. ** It was the government of Pakistan (a non-representative dictator government to boot) which sided with US and helped them in the war in Afghanistan.
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We are not the only people who have taken out rallies in opposition to war against iraq. European countries, Japan, Australia, NZ, Philippines and Japan have had their share of demonstrations.
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I bet, any poll conducted in Pakistan (at any time) will say that an over-whelming majority of people in Pakistan oppose US and its policies (notwithstanding that they will still want to stand in line for hours to get the cherished US visa or immigration).
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Anti-Americanism has also been on the rise in countries other than who are Islamic.
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And oddly enough, it is also true that our own Pakistani police regularly publicizes arrests of people in Pakistan (many of them Pakistani citizens), who are charged with planning terrorist activities (against Pakistan and/or US interests).
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Terror arrests were made all over the globe. Three of the 9/11 hijackers were students in Germany.
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If I were a US law-maker or INS decision-maker, none of these give me any comfort-feeling about a green-passport carrying person who is arriving in the US. Trust me, as a Pakistani who had to register with INS, I feel the whole thing sucks, but its a no-win game.We gotta admit that there are many citizens of Pakistan who are either planning to or wish to do damage to US.
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It is up to the Justice Dept to determine what sort of foreign visitor tracking system its need to have place. If they want to fingerprint/photograph the visitors, then fine, it is their country and they should have the liberty to enforce the immigration laws they deem appropiate.
Jehangir sceptic about INS deletion - but I disagree
http://www.dawn.com/2003/01/12/top4.htm
WASHINGTON, Jan 11: Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington, Ashraf Jehangir Qazi said on Saturday it was “improbable” that America would remove Pakistan from the list of the countries whose nationals are required to register with the government while in the US.
The envoy’s admission of Islamabad’s apparent failure in getting an exemption comes a day after Foreign Minister Khurshid Kasuri spoke with US Secretary of State Colin Powell and requested him to help remove Pakistan from the list.
After the conversation, Kasuri told reporters that Powell has promised to discuss the matter with Attorney-General John Ashcroft who added Pakistan to the list on Dec 16. In a letter to the Pakistani community, the ambassador said that Pakistan had raised the issue at every level of the US administration.
My notes:
I am predicting that pakistan will be taken of this list - musharaf simply has not found the right trading card yet. the card is called Iraq.
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*Originally posted by Jagjeevan: *
I am predicting that pakistan will be taken of this list - musharaf simply has not found the right trading card yet. the card is called Iraq.
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Special Registeration for Pakistanis begins as of today Jan. 13. And no diplomatic effort changed anything. Better luck next time, Nostradamus :D
Guys;
My father is visiting me from HK. He has a pakistani passport. He is 72 yrs old.
Do I have to take him to the INS as well ? He has a valid stay till March 5th 2003.
Also, do u know what questions they ask ? He cant speak english so can I go with him ?
I am a US resident here.
Pls let me know.
Allah Hafiz.
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*Originally posted by 5Abi: *
Special Registeration for Pakistanis begins as of today Jan. 13. And no diplomatic effort changed anything. Better luck next time, Nostradamus :D
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I tried willing it for your sake....well!
it makes me sad and happy at once. sad because we now have a bunch of perfectly honest pakistanis upset and insulted. happy because musharaf obviously did not use the iraq attack card and so may be this will dissuade bush to do better diligence.
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*Originally posted by Gandalf: *
Guys;
My father is visiting me from HK. He has a pakistani passport. He is 72 yrs old.
Do I have to take him to the INS as well ? He has a valid stay till March 5th 2003.
Also, do u know what questions they ask ? He cant speak english so can I go with him ?
I am a US resident here.
Pls let me know.
Allah Hafiz.
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Since he is 72 years old, I think he is not in the range for which it is compulsory for him to get registered, however, you should double check with some authentic source.
Gandalf,
Unfortunately, if your father entered US prior to September 30,2002 he will have to register.
See:
http://www.pakistan-embassy.com/Press_Releases.asp?Release_ID=6
Try to get a Pakistani-American lawyer for your Father who can counsel as well as translate. Else you can translate, provided you do your registration previously.
Good Luck! :k:
Anyone registered yet
Id like to know how it went and what question procedures etc
you had to go through
Thanx
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*Originally posted by D500s: *
Anyone registered yet
Id like to know how it went and what question procedures etc
you had to go through
Thanx
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all are waiting for others to go :)
LOL
at least thats what was reported in dawn
I read these questions somewhere and thought them proper to be thrown up here. Really something to ponder .
that all the above quoted illegal activities sponsored & supported by Pakistani citizens in foreign lands is being controlled by INS/US authorities and we find that the whole of Paki nation and their leadership is rising up against it.Why this show of strength for an out and out unlawful activity?I guess any sovereign nation has right to filter out illegal aliens - specifically if they happen to be the supporters of International terrorist organisation or if they are staying in a country against the will of that nation. Then why this outrage if US wants to filter out Pakis supporting terrorism/or staying illegally?
U can't take a stand that either do it to all the countries or spare us, what if US says, they will do but they have to start somewhere so why not those top on their list of suspect nations.
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*Originally posted by D500s: *
Anyone registered yet
Id like to know how it went and what question procedures etc
you had to go through
Thanx
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I heard from a lawyer friend of mine who represented 4 Paki students and took em to the LA downtown INS office. He was there all day and said maybe a total of 7 Pakistanis (4 were his clients, 3 by themselves) came to register, and all went well :D
Check the thread in General by Faisal and my reply there.
Pakistan’s foreign minister is bringing forward a trip to Washington amid anger over tough new US immigration measures.
Pakistan is a front-line state in America’s war against terrorism, but despite it our people are being victimized
Khursheed Mahmood Kasuri was planning his first official US visit on 28 January, but will now fly out 10 days earlier.
The announcement came as further demonstrations were held in Pakistan in protest at the US measures.
Pakistan is among 20 countries whose nationals must register with the US authorities under new anti-terror laws.
About 100 young people gathered in the city of Multan on Wednesday to protest at the requirements.
They burnt an American flag and demanded better treatment from the US authorities.
Mr Kasuri plans to meet Secretary of State Colin Powell and may also meet Attorney General John Ashcroft during the week-long visit.
Colin Powell is likely to meet Mr Kasuri
Islamabad wants Washington to remove Pakistan from a list of 20 mainly-Muslim nations, whose male nationals are required to register with the Immigration and Naturalisation Service (INS).
Pakistanis have until 16 February.
Citizens from the listed countries will need to be photographed, provide fingerprints and be interviewed by the US authorities.
It is feared the move could lead to the deportation of about 50,000 Pakistanis currently living in the US.
‘Victimised’
Pakistani Prime Minister Zafarullah Jamali told reporters he had asked Mr Kasuri to travel to Washington earlier than planned to address the issue.
He said: “[Mr Kasuri] will discuss the matter of registration of Pakistanis and explain to US authorities Pakistan’s point of view.”
In Multan, organisers of the protest against the US decision said Pakistan was being treated unfairly.
Shahid Mahmood Ansari, president of the All Pakistan Youth Alliance, said: “Pakistan is a front-line state in America’s war against terrorism, but despite it our people are being victimised.”
Mr Ansari said Pakistan had taken great risks when it gave support to the US-led coalition after the attacks on the US on 11 September 2001.
“Is it a reward for this support that our people are being detained in America?” he asked.
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*Originally posted by dhir: *
I read these questions somewhere and thought them proper to be thrown up here. Really something to ponder .
that all the above quoted illegal activities sponsored & supported by Pakistani citizens in foreign lands is being controlled by INS/US authorities and we find that the whole of Paki nation and their leadership is rising up against it.Why this show of strength for an out and out unlawful activity?I guess any sovereign nation has right to filter out illegal aliens - specifically if they happen to be the supporters of International terrorist organisation or if they are staying in a country against the will of that nation. Then why this outrage if US wants to filter out Pakis supporting terrorism/or staying illegally?
U can't take a stand that either do it to all the countries or spare us, what if US says, they will do but they have to start somewhere so why not those top on their list of suspect nations.
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I guess u havent grasped wuz going out there.. they are not catching illegal people as how is it possible that illegal people will come for registration?It would be good if they can go out and get those but they are catching legals with small mistakes in their cases..I knoiw a guy who is a student..he was ill and couldnt keep full course oad 2 years back in one semester and his adivisor never sent anything ti INS about that since it was considered not serious at that time..now he may be deported ..
This is where the Mullah’s comes into play 
if the Mullahs were in power I am sure the story would have been different. Whate ever you say to the Mullahs but atleast they don’t bow down in front of anyone except ALLAH (SWT) :k:
I am in the process of getting my status switch from F-1(Student) to H-1B(Work visa). Lets see if I get kicked out or everything goes well :). will find out 2nd week of Feb.
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*Originally posted by dhir: *
I read these questions somewhere and thought them proper to be thrown up here. Really something to ponder .
that all the above quoted illegal activities sponsored & supported by Pakistani citizens in foreign lands is being controlled by INS/US authorities and we find that the whole of Paki nation and their leadership is rising up against it.Why this show of strength for an out and out unlawful activity?I guess any sovereign nation has right to filter out illegal aliens - specifically if they happen to be the supporters of International terrorist organisation or if they are staying in a country against the will of that nation. Then why this outrage if US wants to filter out Pakis supporting terrorism/or staying illegally?
U can't take a stand that either do it to all the countries or spare us, what if US says, they will do but they have to start somewhere so why not those top on their list of suspect nations.
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What about the thousands of illegal Indian jamadaars that are living illegally in the US? I am sure when they put India in that list, you will be the first one here to shed crocodile tears... Btw the way, who will be left to clean the toilets in the US if all the Indians were to be deported?
Ive heard from some people that Bangladesh has been added to the list as well... Can someone verify this?
Indians are the largest minority group in Britain and have the highest income among its minority groups. Indian-Americans have a median income 50 percent higher than the national average for the United States
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/international/asia/12INDI.html