In another discussion Infoman stated:
I don’t need a book to tell me how to treat my fellow human beings among other things. I have evolved to separate morals from religion. Apparently, some people still need hand holding.
Sorry, to open up a whole new thread on this, but I think its important to look at what he has said, and then remember that
Shaitaan (Satan) based his dissent on ‘intellectual’ reasoning. Thinking, why should I bow before Adam, as I am made of fire and, am thus superior?
This is unfortunately the problem many Muslims find themselves in as well. By presenting a pseudo-intellectual approach to Islam we have deviated from it.
The fact is that our approach is anything but intellectual. Look around to see every failed ideology; Democracy, Communism and Fascism - All failed. All promoted and propagated more vices than ever before. Whilst democracy has emerged the victor of contemporary political thought just look around to see all its ills.
Islam is the only system, the complete system, by which to live our lives. Islam explains what you do, and WHY you do it.
When your telly breaks down do you call the plumber? No. You call its maker, who knows about it and ask him to fix it.
Islam is our comprehensive instruction manual for life. Only Allah fixes our problems. Now you tell me, which approach is more intellectual? To use man made laws, man made concepts to try and sort out the world – look where that has got us, or to turn to Allah (swt) and implement Islam fully, which as history shows was the only time areas such as Palestine ever had peace.
Infoman, if you have decided that you are on such a higher evolutionary plane that the rest of us, perhaps you could then enlighten us all by answering the key philosophical question which has plagued ethical philosophers for generations.
If our modern sense of morality does not stem from religion then where does our sense of morality come from? Everyone is agreed on certain areas of morality e.g. paedophilia. So, if this does not come from religion (or at least religious concepts) then is morality just intrinsically inherent in us all? And if so, then where has that come from.
You see Infoman, if you want to play this ‘intellectual’ game, then lets play. But understand, your theories are fatally flawed and condemned as they are man made and deviate from Islam. Your true enlightenment will come when you are man enough (and intellectual enough?) to explore Islam with an open mind and then make an unbiased and clear opinion of it.