Inferiority Complex between Pakistanis...

[BruceWayne]

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@Theorist

Everyone I know is a proud Pakistani; too proud if anything. I have yet to meet a self-hating Pakistani personally. I always read about them online but never actually meet them. Why care if someone claims certain ancestry? The subcontinent had to get populated somehow, right? Actually, our subcontinent has a very interesting human migration history. Not only that, it is perhaps the most racially mixed place on earth. Note, I said racially mixed not racially or ethnically diverse.

PS. I get everybody pissed off when I say “the partition shouldn’t have happened, didn’t need to happen.” It’s not insensitive. At some point, humans have to learn to coexist peacefully or they will keep dying unnecessarily.

partition was bound to happen, if not along religious line then definitely along ethnic lines; South Asia is much larger than Europe in diversity and population, it was never gonna stay as one, the ones who believe in some sort of Pan-south asian identity, don’t know anything about history.

[BruceWayne]

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@eastern11

It’s probably because Pakistan has a bad name due to terrorism.

Arabs and Iranians are known for terrorism too, so claiming wouldn’t make any sense.

Bengalis also claim a lot of Arab and Persian ancestry yet they don’t have a bad image.

[BruceWayne]

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@SummerFruits

How true. It is so annoying when Pakistanis claim they have Arab/Persian/other ancestry. Like whats so wrong with being Pakistani? sometimes be proud of where your from.

Because Pakistan diverse country with people of different ethnic groups and origins, and if there are a minority that do indeed have such ancestry, it doesn’t make them a self hater.

In fact this very common around the world, if you go to Arab countries there are people there who claim Persian ancestry, people who claim Circassian,Chechen,Kashgari ancestry, even some who claim Indian ancestry.

If you go to north africa, there are Berbers who claim Spanish and French ancestry and people in the levant who claim greek ancestry, there are christains in india who claim syrian and portuguese ancestry and people all across southeast Asia claiming Chinese ancestry, and then you got White people claiming native american ancestry.

so i don’t understand people who only mock pakistanis who claim some foreign ancestry, it isn’t entirely implausible.

I think it stems from the fact that most people look down on people of south Asian descent, since no Pakistani ever claims they are Indian or Bengali or whatnot. So sad really.

You can’t claim to be “Indian”, cause all Pakistani ethnic groups are native to Pakistan and Indian isn’t even an ethnicity anyways, it’s like being American, it means nothing.

and there are Pakistani who claim Bengali ancestry, there are famous Bengali-Pakistanis and there are illegal Bengali slums in karachi

[Theorist]

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@BruceWayne

partition was bound to happen, if not along religious line then definitely along ethnic lines; South Asia is much larger than Europe in diversity and population, it was never gonna stay as one, the ones who believe in some sort of Pan-south asian identity, don’t know anything about history.

I am not Pan-anything. People growing apart naturally and being forcefully torn apart are two very different things. I think the hatred for each other in the subcontinent was bred by outer influences. It came to a point where people had to be stopped. History tells me humans are the most selfish species, yet the only species that continues to destroy itself. You would notice any country that is ethnically extremely diverse has unity issues. Take Uganda for example.

[BruceWayne]

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@Theorist

I am not Pan-anything. People growing apart naturally and being forcefully torn apart are two very different things. I think the hatred for each other in the subcontinent was bred by outer influences. It came to a point where people had to be stopped. History tells me humans are the most selfish species, yet the only species that continues to destroy itself. You would notice any country that is ethnically extremely diverse has unity issues. Take Uganda for example.

well naturally, most of the subcontinent was apart from each other for most of history, in fact you’re blaming outer influences for “tearing south asians apart” when in reality it was the very outer influences that created such a union; if you blame the British for dividing “India”, it was the British they created “India” -the subcontinent was never a unified entity for most of history, and nothing will change that, i don’t care what some brainwashed ignorant Pakistanis and Indian nationalists have to say.

[Theorist]

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@BruceWayne

well naturally, most of the subcontinent was apart from each other for most of history, in fact you’re blaming outer influences for “tearing south asians apart” when in reality it was the very outer influences that created such a union; if you blame the British for dividing “India”, it was the British they created “India” -the subcontinent was never a unified entity for most of history, and nothing will change that, i don’t care what some brainwashed ignorant Pakistanis and Indian nationalists have to say.

I agree that it was never unified but are we now? With more ethnic groups than ever, more political issues than even, more extremism than ever, is there unity anywhere? My point is partition is not the answer.

[BruceWayne]

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@Theorist

I agree that it was never unified but are we now? With more ethnic groups than ever, more political issues than even, more extremism than ever, is there unity anywhere? My point is partition is not the answer.

Loool, you’re using the word “unified” in abstract way; by “unified” I meant India/the subcontinent was rarely a unified entity -physically, especially before the British came. So yes, Pakistan is a unified entity, it exists and so is the Republic of India(not to be confused with ancient India or British-India).

I’m not talking about “political” problems or whatever, i’m talking about historical facts.

[Theorist]

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@BruceWayne

Loool, you’re using the word “unified” in abstract way; by “unified” I meant India/the subcontinent was rarely a unified entity -physically, especially before the British came. So yes, Pakistan is a unified entity, it exists and so is the Republic of India(not to be confused with ancient India or British-India).

I’m not talking about “political” problems or whatever, i’m talking about historical facts.

Drawing borders doesn’t tear or unify people. There is nothing abstract in my post. It takes conscious effort to rise above religious, racial, and ethnic differences and realize that we really are just like other people. Remove our false sense of superiority because we belong to a certain country, race, religion, or ethnicity and we will have a bigger unified group of people. Count your differences and the group will get smaller, will struggle more, and will have more political issues.

[Monk]

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@Theorist

It takes conscious effort to rise above religious, racial, and ethnic differences and realize that we really are just like other people.

Why would some one make an effort if he/she is not already aware, as to what he/she making effort towards ?
If he/she is already aware then she/he is already above, then why would he/she make effort ?

[Theorist]

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@Monk

Why would some one make an effort if he/she is not already aware, as to what he/she making effort towards ?
If he/she is already aware then she/he is already above, then why would he/she make effort ?

It’s an ongoing process. It’s not a one time thing. Just like compassion and mindfulness aren’t just things you need to realize, you need to practice them.

[Jolie]

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Oh this debate again…

Yes, plenty of Pakistanis are exotic looking regardless of the fact whether claim foreign ancestry or not. It’s all down to history and geographical location. Punjab in particular has a long history of foreign invasion (the most invaded part in the Asian subcontinent) and you see all kinds of diversity there. Invaders became settlers so it is common that some mixed marriages may have taken place in the past, and genes work in a funny way.

Maryam Nawaz Sharif, for example is a ‘Pakistani’ (Kashmiri clan), but wrap her in black open cloak and she would easily look like a stereotypical Iranian woman or Turkish woman if you take away the traditional clothing. And there are plenty of Pakistanis girls who are just as fair with similar sharp features as Maryam Nawaz.

I have confused plenty of Turkish guys as Pakistani Pashtuns. or Pushtun (Pakistani and Afghani) as Greeks or Baltic people. Hardly a big deal.

[Reha]

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Lots of people do this…and take pride in it.

[Sentry]

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I’m English, some how I believe you knowing that is relevant to this thread.

[asif86]

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@Deeba1234

Not really imo.. Plenty of people back home also claim to be descendants of Persians and Arabs when they’re not..

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To be precise we dont just have arab and persian ancestry in us.The region of Pakistan has been invaded and occupied by Aryans, Greeks, Huns, Arabs, Turks, Mongols,Scythians,Kushans and Eurasians.With passage of time they settled and assimilated with locals.

[Deeba1234]

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@BruceWayne

That’s BS, majority do not, only minority do.

Arab ancestry is mostly fabricated but Turkic and Persian ancestry among a small minority is real, genetic tests and history attests to this but the vast majority of Pakistanis are native to the lands that make up Pakistan, which is a unique region(the Indus valley).

Learn to read before throwing around comments like “BS”

I didn’t write** ‘majority’** anywhere in my post did I?

[hareem01]

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@asif86

To be precise we dont just have arab and persian ancestry in us.The region of Pakistan has been invaded and occupied by Aryans, Greeks, Huns, Arabs, Turks, Mongols,Scythians,Kushans and Eurasians.With passage of time they settled and assimilated with locals.

How dare you mention that!

[hareem01]

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@Sentry

I’m English, some how I believe you knowing that is relevant to this thread.

What are you doing on gupshup then? Go get drunk.

[Sentry]

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@hareem01

What are you doing on gupshup then? Go get drunk.

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[Ghost14]

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I get mistaken for a ridiculously good looking Italian guy all the time. It’s so frustrating that people place an ethnic label on my milkshake, instead of recognizing that I’m the sexy apex of thousands of years of colonizing in the Punjab.

[aqua70]

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@Ghost14

I get mistaken for a ridiculously good looking Italian guy all the time. It’s so frustrating that people place an ethnic label on my milkshake, instead of recognizing that I’m the sexy apex of thousands of years of colonizing in the Punjab.