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Sania Mirza and the story of Muslim discrimination - Rediff.com India News
More information that indicates things are not hunky dory after 1990. It is not just the rent or housing issue. No shame in acknowledging truth.
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Sania Mirza getting appointed ambassador for a new state is a pretty good indicator of absence of institutionalized discrimination.
Some people don't want to rent houses to not just mulsims but any non-vegetarians. But when it happens to celebrities they get offended because they think they have grown above all these issues and when it happens to them it makes news. It does not occur to them that some people do not want celebrities in their buildings because it is a nuisance.
I know a very high priced building with one apartment owned by a muslim - most of the rest of the owners (especially their wives) hate it because of the fish fries. But nobody can do anything about it because it was bought legally, the men get along fine and there is ZERO animosity. Now is that discrimination?
I know a lower middle class rental building as well in another town - roughly half christian and half others - one of the women pluck chickens downstairs and the brahmin people upstairs hated it but couldn't stop it. When the owner heard of this through a third party, he asked and the tenant stopped the practice. Is that discrimination? BTW the owner is a Christian.
India lives by adjusting to each other and has been doing that much longer than the west. When western standards of discrimination are applied without localization you get bizarre results that do not reflect realities.
But these are tactics adopted by the mischief mongers mainly and swallowed by gullible youngsters brought up on Indianized cinderella stories of what is fairness. or a mistaken belief that self flagellation somehow makes them better
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Why segregated housing is thriving in India - BBC News
The evidence is clear.
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Surprise, Surprise: Muslims Are India
It is simplistic to state that the muslim problems can be attributed to muslim girls dropping out of school. This article highlights the fact t that in muslim neighborhoods infrastructure is poor - including education.
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Yes your right, Queen Victoria sent her a congratulations letter on her graduation.
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OK. Let us look at the context. Per the post, Mr. Modi was asked if he regretted how he handled the riots.
And his answer - my biggest regret is how I handled the media.
If that was his biggest regret in "RESPONSE" to a direct" question, it indicates he did care too much about media perception.
He goofed again. He should have said I handled riots to the best of my abilities and I have no regrets about it but I regret that I did not handle media well enough. He is not a man of few words. He knows how to talk. He never apologized for massacre of Muslims in Gujarat. He could say I was not responsible for or cause of Gujarat riots but I am sorry that all this happened on my watch. Great politicians are always apologizing for no reason at all. He is very arrogant.
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He goofed again. He should have said I handled riots to the best of my abilities and I have no regrets about it but I regret that I did not handle media well enough. He is not a man of few words. He knows how to talk. He never apologized for massacre of Muslims in Gujarat. He could say I was not responsible for or cause of Gujarat riots but I am sorry that all this happened on my watch. Great politicians are always apologizing for no reason at all. He is very arrogant.
Yeah, admirers seem to be putting words in his mouth. What in his history would lead anyone to assume his intentions are noble ?
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Just because one is found NOT GUILTY in court doesn't mean one is INNOCENT.
This can be said in a different manner as well.Just because some medias say one is guilty,it does not mean one is guilty.
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This can be said in a different manner as well.Just because some medias say one is guilty,it does not mean one is guilty.
Agree to that but he did not handle Gujarat riots in such a way that media could admire him instead of bashing his handling of those riots. He goofed big time.
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Agree to that but he did not handle Gujarat riots in such a way that media could admire him instead of bashing his handling of those riots. He goofed big time.
Yes.It seems he got carried away with V.H.P and others.The riot could have stopped had there been vigil.The reprisals for Godhra attack started very soon at Anand railway station :( A major tragedy could have been averted.
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why don’t you ever read your own references before jumping to stupid conclusions unsupported by the same references? You do want to seem fair to minorities but when you fail to read or interpret data correctly you are committing a disservice to them. Let’s take this case:
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The ‘Surprise Surprise’ article you quote bases its arguments on a measure called MCPE. The MCPE values it cites are Sikh 55.3, Christians 51.4, Hindus 37.5 and Muslims 32.7. Does this look like caused by anyone discriminating against anyone? Are you now going to claim Hindus are discriminated against by Sikh and Christians? Do you see how close Hindu and Muslim numbers are? Isn’t that the real surprise? Isn’t that consistent with the Columbia University study which I posted earlier?
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Infrastructure is poor EVERYWHERE in India. That is why not just Muslims but Hindus who form 84% of population also have almost identical MCPE and poverty rate. Between them they cover 98% of India - so why do you people make it a Muslim problem? It is an Indian problem
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Your own Surprise Suprise article also explicitly says what I said about Muslim girls - "But for every 1,000 Muslim boys, only 10 enter post-graduation; and for Muslim girls the figure is just 2.
Interestingly, for boys, Hindus and Muslims have parity in Bengal’s rural regions, according to NSSO. For every 1,000 Hindu male rural students, 5 will complete post-graduation, the same figure for Muslim boys in rural areas." Do you understand what means? Muslim boys are sent to school and girls aren’t!
Now let’s go to the underlying NSSO study that the above Surprise Surprise article is based upon.
I will let you read it at leisure from the above link; however note a very important and critical demographic difference in urban muslim population -
“In urban areas, the percentages of households and population following
Hinduism were about 81 and 79, following Islam were about 13 and 16 and following Christianity were about 3 and 3, respectively”
Do you see the issue here? 13% of Muslim households have to support 16% of Muslim population whereas 81% of Hindu households have to support only 79% of population - meaning there is an intrinsic difference in family sizes and number of income-earners being the same (1 per household) the per capita suffers between the two communities which explains even the tiny difference between the two in poverty rate and MCPE.
Data speaks for itself. You cannot blame Modi or RSS for cooking up data because these come from surveys prior to Modi. The NSSO and the Columbia studies though using very different samples draw consistent results.
Interpreting data is tough stuff, especially surveys this large (the NSSO sample size was almost half a million households I think) and deep (several dozen variables) - reporters and half-baked pundits write interpretations drawing selectively from the data. It is up to intelligent and objective people to invest their own time and brains to understand what the data says rather than what these half baked dumbos report
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Sachar Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here is another report. Headed by former Chief Justice Supreme Court. Predictably, the BJP criticized the report, stating the report only helps muslims!
By the way, a poll of Muslims in India would be the only way to settle this. Middle class or upper class Hindus stating there is no discrimination against Muslims is similar to whites in the US stating there is no discrimination against blacks. Doesn’t pass the sniff test.
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He goofed again. He should have said I handled riots to the best of my abilities and I have no regrets about it but I regret that I did not handle media well enough. He is not a man of few words. He knows how to talk. He never apologized for massacre of Muslims in Gujarat. He could say I was not responsible for or cause of Gujarat riots but I am sorry that all this happened on my watch. Great politicians are always apologizing for no reason at all. He is very arrogant.
Reasonable people would conclude you are far too kind to Mr. Modi. There is sufficient reason to believe Mr. Modi went out of his way to prevent police assistance from getting to the muslims during the massacre. So it is fair to conclude Mr. Modi did NOT handle the riot to the best of his abilities.
Or maybe he did handle it EXACTLY the way he wanted to. In which case the statement, unfortunately, is true.
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I started this with the intent of being polite. I read the first sentence. And saw the word stupid.
Sorry. I don’t intend to go down that road.
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This can be said in a different manner as well.Just because some medias say one is guilty,it does not mean one is guilty.
Of course. No doubt about it.
In Mr. Modi's case, there is ample information for reasonable, honest and unbiased people to conclude that "just because Mr. Modi was found not guilty, it does not mean he is innocent"
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Reasonable people would conclude you are far too kind to Mr. Modi. There is sufficient reason to believe Mr. Modi went out of his way to prevent police assistance from getting to the muslims during the massacre. So it is fair to conclude Mr. Modi did NOT handle the riot to the best of his abilities.
Or maybe he did handle it EXACTLY the way he wanted to. In which case the statement, unfortunately, is true.
Well we can only judge intention on past behavior. I dont see anything in this mans history that paints him as someone who would be sympathetic toward Muslims, or indeed any minority. He is an avid member of a Right wing Hindu organization with a known history of being involved in or associating with organizations which actively promote Sectarianism. He has yet to denounce a single thing they do even now.
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now you are arguing with yourself.
You cited the Surprise Surprise report and the NSSO survey it is based on. When I point out what your own source says, you want some thing else. Data and science scores over sniffs, every time.
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now you are arguing with yourself.
You cited the Surprise Surprise report and the NSSO survey it is based on. When I point out what your own source says, you want some thing else. Data and science scores over sniffs, every time.
I am sorry. I haven't read your last post for the reason I gave. Hence i haven't a clue what you are referring to. As for arguing with myself, all I can say is I don't have a position that is etched in stone. So if there are links Ii provided that, according to you.contradict each other on some points, that is ok. It's all about seeking truth. Not holding onto a position out of ideology, bias, bigotry or stubbornness. At least that is my approach. (Not implying this is anyone else's approach or not. Just clarifying my position)
Happy to have a civil discussion. But as soon as name calling starts I am out.
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@Southie - I will save you the trouble and make it simple. Read, understand, think and then draw conclusions. You presented something as proof for your stand and it says the opposite. When I point that out you say you don't have a stand!
do you see how hard you work to earn those names? alright I will try to be civil to you in spite of you.
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See - that is the problem. Be civil. And you will have a discourse.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Cause I haven't read ur post. I have zero problem acknowledging any contradictions in my positions. That is just par for the course. You acknowledge and move on.
But I won't go down the gutter with you by name calling. Hope you understand that.
If that post is edited to remove unnecessarily words that are put downs, I will be happy to read it. And acknowledge if I am off base anywhere.
But I won't hold my breath. Bye.