Indians should feel proud of their ancient heritage. Thousands of years ago Rama used to fly aeroplanes, plastic surgeons carried out procedure to install an elephants head on a human body to create Ganesha, genetic engineering and you name it all existed in India thousands of years ago. :k: Westerners learnt these skills just a century ago.
Indian prime minister claims genetic science existed in ancient times | World news | The Guardian
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this is what happens when you elect religious and illiterate people who dont know fact from mythology. this buffoon of a guy is pro-economy? bwahahahah.. i wouldnt trust him to make my chai right.
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You mean he has not mentioned the the Temple of Somnath! where they first discovered anti gravity:k:
let us not sell the Indians short!
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"No Indian scientist has come forward to challenge him" - that is pathetic.
Mr. Modi should also have included the invention of the Brahmastra as one of our ancestors achievements. One minor error - it was the great Ravana that made the first flight.
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"No Indian scientist has come forward to challenge him" - that is pathetic.
Mr. Modi should also have included the invention of the Brahmastra as one of our ancestors achievements. One minor error - it was the great Ravana that made the first flight.
Brahmastra?
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How is this different from our own Mullahs preaching that Muslims once ruled entire planet? Just like us, they have their own version of bs concocted history.
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How is this different from our own Mullahs preaching that Muslims once ruled entire planet? Just like us, they have their own version of bs concocted history.
Not different at all, you'll find similar stories coming out from Christian Right wingers. In this case we are dealing with a different situation as the guy happens to be a prime minister as well.
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Not different at all, you'll find similar stories coming out from Christian Right wingers. In this case we are dealing with a different situation as the guy happens to be a prime minister as well.
He maybe the PM, but he is their version of Mullah. He comes from right wing racist hindu org that is bent on getting rid of minorities and making India a pure hindu country.
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Brahmastra?
This astra (weapon) could decimate the opposition. You chant the correct mantra and fire the arrow - and the opposition is good as gone. The nuclear weapon has nothing on this astra.
Some smaller cousins are agniastra and varunastra.
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This astra (weapon) could decimate the opposition. You chant the correct mantra and fire the arrow - and the opposition is good as gone. The nuclear weapon has nothing on this astra.
Some smaller cousins are agniastra and varunastra.
If chanting mantras and firing arrows was all that needed.. why is India investing in nukes and military hardware and wasting billion of dollars? It could use that money to build more toilets.
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One thing is a fact as far as ancient Indian medical procedures go. Indians invented nose reconstruction surgery which is essentially the same method used today. They would cut a nose shaped flap from the forehead just above the nose, then twist it over and pull it down to form a new nose. It was used in cases where people were mutilated in order to shame them for whatever reason. It was accredited to ancient Indian surgeon Sushruta, a practioner of Ayurveda. Give credit where its due.
Modi is full of you know what, but ancient indians were rather knowledgable.
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Ancient Medicine was Indian forte, there were surgeons like Charaka and Sushruta in medicine
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No doubt about it. But to extrapolate that and claim all sorts of scientific advances makes a fool out of Modi. It doesn't negate the wisdom that was present in Bharatvarsh.
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One thing is a fact as far as ancient Indian medical procedures go. Indians invented nose reconstruction surgery which is essentially the same method used today. They would cut a nose shaped flap from the forehead just above the nose, then twist it over and pull it down to form a new nose. It was used in cases where people were mutilated in order to shame them for whatever reason. It was accredited to ancient Indian surgeon Sushruta, a practioner of Ayurveda. Give credit where its due.
Modi is full of you know what, but ancient indians were rather knowledgable.
indians were good in maths and maybe medicine, but the opening post is with regards to how modi has mixed mythology with scientific advancements.
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even if ancient india had scientific research etc going on, what is the point of bragging about it when today you have a country where half the people or more are living in poverty and squalor without even clean drinking water or toilets? i would rather we be descendants of boneheaded barbaric vikings if our country and countrymen ended up like denmark or norway.
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That’s cool you know about Sushruta. Heard a lot about him as well. Obviously some of this is exaggerated and mixed with religious mythology as some religious people are prone to doing. Despite conditions of countries today nothing wrong with being proud of worthwhile things of the past. Like the architectural wonder of the Indus Valley, Mohenjodaro and Harappa civilisations and Taxila in Pakistan as well as the most famous Sanskrit grammarian Panini who originated from what is known as Pakistan today. They say Sanskrit influenced European languages quite a lot.
Similarly nothing wrong with acknowledging achievements of past such as discovering number 0, ancient medical knowledge, carburised steel, the number system/mathematics, yoga, astronomy,Sanskrit, metallurgy,engineering, agriculture, diamonds etc.
A lot of this also occurred in areas known as Pakistan today.
Fifteen Indian Inventions and Discoveries That Shaped the Modern World - Part 1*|*Abhaey Singh
15 Indian Inventions & Discoveries That Shaped the Modern World - Part 2*|*Abhaey Singh
It’s easy to forget all this when we think of our respective countries condition today. But it takes time for change to occur especially countries which have been colonised for 200 odd years. It is only about 70 years post independence. So it will take time for both countries to reach that level again on world stage. Psychologically, knowing this can also help a nation’s mindset when they have been under colonial rule such as with british raj for a long period of time.
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even if ancient india had scientific research etc going on, what is the point of bragging about it when today you have a country where half the people or more are living in poverty and squalor without even clean drinking water or toilets? i would rather we be descendants of boneheaded barbaric vikings if our country and countrymen ended up like denmark or norway.
So what you are saying is, 'people who forget history are condemned to repeat it', so lets forget. Maybe it will come back. That is Winnie The Pooh's logic.
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If he said all this in English then he is telling the truth. In third world countries it is believed that, " Sahab angraizee boll raha toh such he kah raha hoga." I know this was used in a movie but it is true. :)
But if he said it all in Hindi then he seems to be suffering from overdose of opium, daroo or something similar. Forgive him for that. Even a murder is condoned if committed under the influence.
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It was indeed strange to hear Modi said that so I looked it up in Rediff which had a fuller version. It is to do with a speech opening a hospital, looks more to shame Indians into better cleanliness and primary healthcare. A leader uses whatever language the people understand to push them forward.
Nobody is denying the state of knowledge and technology was far advanced in ancient India than now - except nobody in India or abroad understands how they did it.
Transplants, invitro, number system manipulations, flying machines using different propulsions, sound barrier shenanigans, space flight, molecular mayhem, end and resurrection of time, remote material manifestations...it is a scientist's duty to dream first. Without that we are doomed as a race.
We don't know how but we can certainly use these what can only called 'claims' as guides to areas of dreaming.
But having lost the methods, all you have is the heritage but the present is poverty. Is it so wrong to use Hindu accomplishments from Hindu mythology to motivate a country that is full of Hindus?
This is the part of the speech that makes me think as above.
"It is embarrassing to compare healthcare facilities in our country with those available abroad. Neonatal mortality is a matter of grave concern and so is maternal mortality.
"When a child falls into a borewell, families sit in front of TVs and the media gives a running commentary as gloom prevails everywhere, but we are hardly aware that hundreds of children die soon after being born. Many times, the mother and child both die for want of primary healthcare," he said after inaugurating the refurbished and partly newly-built H N Reliance Foundation Hospital.
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The Rediff text does put it in perspective. Though there are better ways of conveying to the masses that we have a rich heritage.
From my limited knowledge of Ramayana and Mahabharata, there are several positive takeaway - all or which I think have been referred to by LPS and Samir.
1) the vimanam(I forget what it was called in which Ravana flew - shows people had thought about the concept of aircraft
2) Brahmastra - shows people had thought of destructive weapons
3) code of warfare - can't attack from back. If two combatants engaged a third must not interfere
4) Formations of the armies
In addition to 0 and other achievements.
Fact of the matter is - listing these achievements without embellishments should suffice. When the PM goes down the path of mixing mythology with scientific achievements, he goes over the top. And loses credibility. IMO.