Many Indians were overjoyed when Pakistan was entered into the list… It wont be long when they are added to the same list… Although its deplorable and pitiful how illegal immigrants from both sides would have to face dire problems…
NEW YORK, Jan 20: Indian nationals (male 18-45 years) would be required to register under the new US government laws, beginning from May or June of this year, informed sources here told Dawn on Monday.
So far the United States has asked only nationals of 25 Muslim nations and North Korea to register with the US Immigration and Naturalization Services in an effort to curb terrorism. Nevertheless, countries like India, Nepal, and Sri Lanka are expected to be placed on the list of countries whose nationals would be required to register under such laws.
However, the US State Department spokesman Philip Reeker told news reporters last Thursday that the registration process was not Muslim countries specific.
“Eventually we will have structures in place for registering everyone from all countries of the world to register,” he said.
One of the reasons why the US government had not included nationals of all countries immediately was to forestall the overwhelming rush at its immigrations offices. Hence the NSEERS programme is expected to proceed in batches.
This may seem a strange concept to a lot of you but the US or Britain or any other nation in the world have every right to put any one person or groups of people,on any list they wish,when it comes to allowing immigrants into their country.
Would you let just anyone into your house to live next to your children?i think not.
Britain is a tiny country,people are living shoulder to shoulder,yet we still allow people who are living under dangerous situations in their own countries to come into Britain.
The reason that the spotlight is on muslims should be self-evident,there are free and innocent people getting killed by muslims,in the name of that religion.That should be of great importance to real muslims and imho,they should be doing everything in their power to stop these radicals who kill in their name,unless of course they agree with them.If they agree with them then it should come as no surprise that we are taking these precautions with immigration issues.
From a distance and from discusion with people here in Britain,the general feeling is that it does not look like the muslim nations are doing enough to get rid of the extreemist element in their midst.Unfortunatly,that is the way things look.So it is hardly suprising that our goverments are taking these precautions.
Never mind if we are in deep ****, as long as India is there too. At least this gives a breathing space to the honour and dignity of Pakistani Junta (and its people) and something to cheer about
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Never mind if we are in deep ***, as long as India is there too. At least this gives a breathing space to the honour and dignity of Pakistani Junta (and its people) and something to cheer about
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Hain? Why would Pakistanis cheer about Indians gettin' fingerprints? I suppose it was you and other Indians around here cheering, coming up with threads about Pakistanis gettin' harrassed, deported.
When United States busted India, you got nothing to say about. Live in deep **** as you said.
Why haven't they added all these other countries to the list yet? They keep saying "eventually" all countries will be added, but it just seems like lipservice.
If they want illegals to register themselves/or want to deport a few who they consider not wanted - what's the big deal. If they want to send some Indians back for reasons best known to them, I don't see any reasons why Indian government would send its foreign minister to US to plead US not to do so.
Reg. Lipservice, it seems more so because the regimes coming under direct line of fire at the moment are friendly on the face of it, and their governments might have asked US to send in some feelers that everybody is in the line, just to appease the growing unrest in the respective countries. Who knows?
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*Many Indians were overjoyed when Pakistan was entered into the list... It wont be long when they are added to the same list... Although its deplorable and pitiful how illegal immigrants from both sides would have to face dire problems...
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Spock - its pure imagination on your part that we Indians are happy or overjoyed to see Pakistan in that list. We have friends who have to go thru all this and we really felt sad for them. Anyways I have no mercy for any il-legal immigrant.
Now for each country, what is the % of illegal aliens as compared to the totall number of immigrants for that country?
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I don't know whats is the population ethnic wise. But I would be interested in the lattest figures... In 2000 about 500,000 kamptoor koolis were given pink slip and asked to leave most of them were Indians. Latter it was reported most never left..... I would be interested in 2002 figures.
I don't know whats is the population ethnic wise. But I would be interested in the lattest figures... In 2000 about 500,000 kamptoor koolis were given pink slip and asked to leave most of them were Indians. Latter it was reported most never left..... I would be interested in 2002 figures.
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I don't think there was a census done in 2002. What really matters is which country has the highest % of its immigrants as illegals.
Well, how will this law ever affect illegal immigrants?
Which illegal immigrant in his right mind would ever go to the INS to get himself registered? Registered as what??
As far as the possibility of getting arrested and deported is concerned, that held true for illegals even before this law.
According ot the US, this registration is supposed to enable them to better track down non-immigrants coming to the US. If that were the case, this law would have been applied to ALL non-immigrant visitors coming to the US, whether they are from Pakistan, or from the UK.
Simple fact is that this is a process meant to eventually discourage and reduce immigration from Muslim countries. No other argument has made sense to me so far.
yeah %age matters so if there are 3 ppl here from lesotho and 2 of them are illegal, lesotho becomes an immigration priority, 66% illegal immigrants are a large percentage :)
anyways, it was lowlife indians who were overjoyed to see Pakistanis get under fire, and there are going to be lowlife Pakistanis who will be happy to see Indians get under fire.
Illegal aliens if caught need to be sent back, how hard is it to understand that whether you are caught due to some security measures or for floating bad checks, if you are found to be an illegal alien you could be deported.
The challenge is for those who are in limbo i.e. have pending applications for assylum and residency.
^ I actually don’t mind the Mexicans. They do a lot of the low-paying jobs nobody else wants to do, and they do them for very cheap. A Mexican will pick oranges for $5/hour; a white trash dude from a union will want $20/hour plus benefits. In the end, either the farm will shut down or we will be be paying $5 for an orange.
immigrants - green card holders & citizenship / naturalized - have to be fingerprinted. so what's wrong with non-immigrants (F1 H1 etc) having to go through same?
everyone should realize that INS officials are trying to do their jobs and instead of taking this as an affront to national or individial pride, why not just cooperate and finish the procedure in 2 minutes instead of creating delays for everyone in the airport?
if you are illegal, that is your mistake. if your papers are not in order, it is your responsibility to get them right.
finally I do not believe that Dawn has any "informed sources" in INS. I think they just made it up by cleverly mixing up "INS official" and "embassy official standing in INS building".
I don't think there was a census done in 2002. What really matters is which country has the highest % of its immigrants as illegals.
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Kareem,
If they act according to this majority of mexicans have to go back and USA will come to standstill. I think they are looking at % of Terrorists caught in recent years among each countries.
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immigrants - green card holders & citizenship / naturalized - have to be fingerprinted. so what's wrong with non-immigrants (F1 H1 etc) having to go through same?
everyone should realize that INS officials are trying to do their jobs and instead of taking this as an affront to national or individial pride, why not just cooperate and finish the procedure in 2 minutes instead of creating delays for everyone in the airport?
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Absolutely nothing wrong with the concept of registration itself. But legal visa holders are effectively accounted for, regardless. But despite that, no harm in going through this registration process.
But where would illegal immigrants factor in? Why would anyone expect an illegal alien to register? Who would expect them to walk up to the INS and say, "Im here to register myself. I came in 5 years ago on a 3 month visitor visa, and have been out of status ever since...and now I wish to register. Here, please handcuff me"
As I see it, this process is not affecting the illegals situation at all, but is creating a lot of unnecessary difficulties for legal immigrants, who are going through minor problems because of the INS itself. The illegals were running from the INS even before this law came in, and they are running as we speak. The INS, instead of taking effective measures to target those illegals, is instead harassing legal immigrants and sending them to jail, because they were late in paying their fees, or because they bounced a check, or because they dont have a high priced lawyer.
This whole registration stuff is purely nonsense and it is racial profiling at its best. Some day someone will have to pay for it. Security on the cost of discrimination is not worth the effort. Besides, those who want to do harm, don’t go around registering themselves with the authorities. Even if they did, it would not change their desire to harm. It is total stupid requirement.
