Indian weapon against Pakistan: Urdu/Hindi

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  1. Pakistan came into being in 1947 and I don't really care how it came about much less that we should forever be locked into the reasons, the basis or the idealogy that gave birth to it.

  2. 1947 event was a historical determinant which just undid what had happened in another historical determinant of 1847 when this region ( Indus Valley ) had been fabricated into the British India. Was there any fundamental reason in 1847 which lead to this ( Indus Valley region ) to become wedded to British India? No there was not, it was just a historical accident motivated by British greed. Yes greed had brought us under the colonial British India.

  3. I don't treat the events, forces or the ideologies that gave birth to Pakistan in 1947 as holy or feel obligated to them beyond the fact that 1947 event was historical in that it undid the 1847 event, the former neutralizing the latter. It corrected a anomaly caused by colonial lust!!!

  4. Colonialism forced us into British India and colonialism created forces ( the English educated predominantly Mahajir ) who were the force majeaur behind Pakistan. Why should I thank the latter? Without British colonialism there would have been no Jinnah, no Muslim Leaque but then again there would have been no need for 1947 because the region that is Pakistan now would have evolved on its own.

  5. Prior to the British interfering in our region ( Indus Valley ) this area had independent Khanates, Emirates and Kingdoms ( Mirs of Sindh, Khans of Balochistan and Sikh Kingdom of Punjab ) and we would have evolved naturally without third party dictation - British. I do know though that the evolution of this region probably would have ended up with either states or state somewhat different from what we have now but the solid realities on the ground would have impacted on the evolution - the foremost being that this region has and had a solid Moslem majority, probably greater than 80%. Today there would either have been states or a state in the area that is Pakistan ( geographic Indus Valley ) that would be colored by two ground realities - the peoples, Punjabi, Pashtun, Sindhi, Baloch and predominantly with a Islamic flavor.

  6. At end of the day its 'the boots on the ground' that makes the real difference as indeed it did in 1947, had this region not had a Moslem majority whose numbers carried the weight to give substance to the dreams of Muslim Leaque. It was this region ( the four provinces ) that elected to join the federation without which the combined votes and intellectual vigor of all the Moslems scattered all over India ( UP, Bihar, Madya Pradesh etc ) would have produced zilch.

  7. So one set of historical circumstances ( British colonialism ) created a negativity for us but at the same time gave birth to another set of circumstances ( British education and ideas flourished in what is now India on account of having been colonialized much earlier with the populace have imbibed modern concepts which would help to counter the British with the Muslim Leaque/Congress being the manifestation of this ) which neutralized the negativity. Without one the other would neither have existed or been needed. So put it simply 1947 was just a reaction to the action of 1847 - Like I don't need to try to rationalize or find the deep motives, philosophies or higher ideals for the 1847 event I don't need to for 1947 either other then look at them both as very significant historical determinants that altered and realtered the land of my forefathers, in both which my people slept through or had very marginal input.

  8. Since 1847 the land of my forefathers has gone through a rollercoaster with my people as helpless occupants but reality is today we have a Pakistan, the sovereignty belongs to the 'sons of the soil' again. My concern today is with them and which direction we go to now. Although a citizen of Britain and having the deepest respect for the English people I detest the colonial era and all its attendant ills/effects/legacy.

  9. The colonial era cemented us with rest of India ( geographic ) more efficiently then any other power had done, its administrative ability, its economic power, its modern rail network 'Indianized' us more effectively then had we evolved free from British interference. In short they wedded us to the greater India and by default to the countries that inherited the British Indian Empire - India, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

  10. Although I have a healthy respect for many Indians ( indeed I would count some as friends ) I loath the idea with every sinew of my body that we are a extension or just a offshoot of Bharat. I want us to have a solid identity exclusive of Bharat and based on our own peoples.

  11. I look at the Mahajirs as carriers of the 'Indian vector', now you might say what about the Punjabi's? After all they are also a 'bridge' to India but its important to note that Indian Punjabi's are a minority. Yes there are other sub groups of Pakistan ( Kashmiri or Sindhi ) who also happen to be found in India but again their numbers are a drop in the ocean that India is. Whets more these groups do not form the gravitas of the Indian state.

  12. The Indian state has adopted the language of the Ganges plains ( Hindi ) as its national tongue and will over time homogenize all the divergent peoples of India into one block under the overarching label 'Indian'. All states do this, they adopt one particular brand ( often the one belonging to the majority/most influential ) and over time create a homogenized block out of variety of cultures/peoples. Modern states tend to do it faster and more effectively on back of better administrative structures/economics and technology ( TV etc ) the effect of this over time will bring together the Telagu, Tamil, Punjabi, Assamese, Ladaki, Malaylam, Orrisan and all other strange peoples - I say strange because bar the Indian Punjabi/Rajasthani most Pakistani's have not had any deep contact with or knowledge of. This will eventually ( it already is well on the way ) create a solid block of over a billion people speaking Hindi going under the banner 'Indian'.

  13. In Pakistan the imported Mahajir group also predominantly comes from the Gangetic Valley and from the same source that Bharat ( India ) draws its gravitas from. Thus Urdu and Hindi are essentially the same languages bar the scripts - clearly a Hindi speaker can speak with ease to a Urdu speaker. Not surprising since both languages were fashioned in the same furnace - the Ganges Valley.

  14. The British standardized Urdu/Hindi to serve as their common pan India language and act as the interface with the host of different peoples. India has adopted Hindi and we have adopted Urdu so in essence we are continuing on the British mission .... to construct a sub continental realm call it India if you want.

  15. Just to prove my contention go back to 1850 and ask yourself how many peoples of present day Pakistan could have communicated in their 'native' language with a Tamil, a Bengali, a Telagu, a Assamese, a Kanadese etc? Not many I suspect!!!

  16. But now fast forward to say 2050 and we have a Pakistan that has 100% literacy which would mean over time Urdu as native tongue to 100% .... Whilst in India all Indians would have achieved 100% proficiency in their national language Hindi ............... Given this scenario in 2050 100% of Pakistan could communicate in their national language with 100% Indians in their native language. We would have created a sub continent that would be uniformalized and finished off the project launched by the British.

Is that what we want? Is that why we broke off at great expense in 1947? To become part of the ocean of humanity with just a script to identify us? This thought terrifies me!!! *

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For me the question is simple. What was the purpose of Pakistan? Was it to chart a destiny different from India? Or was it just to have a separate political unit but that would just follow India like a dog?

In my view the purpose of Pakistan was to follow a different destiny. If Pakistan was somewhere in middle of India, or had peoples that were 100% the same as Indian's I would not even begin to support a change of language or attempt at re-orientating the country. It would be a exercise in futility, I would accept the inevitability, that we are just Indian and there is no point in wasting time deluding ourselves. In fact I would arrive at he rationale that independence was a mistake and would advocate immediate unification and save all that money on defense and save any more lives lost in defense of our independence. But that is not what I believe. We are different but we have to rid ourselves of British legacy.

What I see is our geographic location, our peoples and our history contains sufficient substance and difference to service a genuine change of direction. Indeed it follows naturally from our independence. If we don't change direction all I can say is then let truth express itself - Join India, confederate with it. Or else the only excuse I can see for Pakistan is to provide a platform for a small native elite, the Mahajir elite and the Mullah to enrich themselves.

I don't know how the hell I can be accused of being unpatriotic, I am trying to put real distance between us and India, I support fortifying our identity and anchoring our identity.

In the preceding centuries it was us who in the sub continent took the brunt of influences derived from the West, it was us who were invaded by the Greeks, it was our lands that saw the Ghandara Greco-Bactrian Kingdoms, Taxila today is a living testimony to this. It was our lands that saw the flourishing of Indus Valley civilization. No doubt we have been sometimes the easternmost satrapy of Persia, or under the influence of 'Indian' based empires, and sometimes independent made up of small kingdoms. But by large, Pakistan region was has a distinct history from India and this is explained in detail on the website: www.geocities.com/pak_history

What's certain is we sit on the margins of Central/South Asia and we broke of from the British colonial empire that had welded us to Calcutta and then Delhi - Even that experience was for less then a century.

Today we are still struggling with British colonial legacy, the stamp left on us of being 'Indian' that was imprinted on us by the British. We are in a 'swing status' we can tilt either way.

55 years after having thrown off the British colonial yoke we have yet to undo its legacy and language is central to that. Clearly had the British not taken over Punjab ( 1850 ) and NWFP ( 1880 ) we would not have had Urdu as our language, we would not have been so 'connected' to the Indian heartland - the Ganges plains.

Al we have done since 1947 is sever our links with British colonialism but kept the donated blood flowing in our system. Ask yourself this simple question, which is the language that India is spreading through its diverse peoples? Which is the language that all Indians will speak in the future? It is Hindi of course!!!

Now Urdu is same as Hindi. Clearly having Perso Arabic script and more Persian words is not enough to create a distinct language. At end of day Hindi and Urdu are very similar.

So do Pakistani's want to 'Indianize' themselves? Does Pakistan want to become the common cultural realm of India? I and some others oppose this, we see inconsistency with having Pakistan and then trying to make it another India.

We are trying to distance ourselves from India, how the hell can that be unpatriotic? Must we be pro Indian to be patriotic? We are anti Indian and that's we we want to distance ourselves from India. We do not want to marry ourselves to India.

Of course any change has to take into account our history, our geography and our peoples. We can't just adopt any language in the quest to break free from colonial legacy, the British fostered forced gun marriage to India.

So Malay, Indonesian, Arabic are out since we are not geographically anywhere near these regions and have no historical links with them. The change has to take into account our history. That we have on our westerly side. For many centuries in the preceding thousands of years we have been linked to our westerly neighbors, been part of Persian empires. So the choice is limited, either we look east ( with whom we also have shared some of our history ) or the west.

If it was the east we wanted then why the hell 1947, the British had given us free off cost a ready made union but we separated. So the only natural consequence is a look westward and language is the key component of this.

Finally the difference between us and India is not just religion. India is a vast country made up of many 'nations' of different ethnicity. There is no Balochistan, Pashtun or Sindh in India. The exclusive homeland of Sindhi, Pashtun and Baloch is Pakistan only the Punjabi are found in India but as mentioned before they are some 5% of India. That 5% is hardly descriptive of the vast country called India, which is a continent in itself.

Take a look at your environment, you live in a land thats either mountains or semi to full desert, now find out what most of India is? You are in the easternmost arid zone that extends from Iran, whereas most of India is well watered, tropical region.

There is some Baloch in Iran as well but nobody ever thinks that Pakistan is same as Iran!!! Or there are large numbers ( largest minority ) Pashtun in Afghanistan but that does not make Afghanistan same as Pakistan. The provinces ( peoples ) Punjab, NWFP ( Pashtun ), Baloch and Sindh that make up Pakistan is a mix and a matrix that is unique to Pakistan. Religion is but one marker of our identity. We are not Bengali, Tamil, Etc Moslems, our lands are not tropical/delta swamps!!! Ours are harsh dry desert or lofty mountains creating difficult conditions and a hardy people, traditionally poor but proud. It was not a co incidence that the British looked to our lands to fill up their armies. We were a simple people.

Time we undid the British colonialism and marked our own identity.
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for your kind information:halo:they are under a thread i started:blush:

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very good points…unfortunately lots of paki are stuck in the jatt system…just look at the way they do rishta, you’ll get a glimpse of the mentality (more details in life 1 forum:halo:)
in fact desi have retained a lot from the hindu culture: marrying in red dress and dowry paid by the bride instead of groom, mausoleum, sufism (a blend of islam and some hindu touch), caste: still nowadays people marry within their caste or religion sect…all these are hindu stuff and most are opposite to islamic prescriptions…
so to cover this hindu glamourous culture…they feel the need to claim they’re as white as persians…and speaking a perso-arabic language…while it is not:hoonh:

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no sorry…both indians and pakistani will have achived fluency in their business and superior education language: ENGLISH!
well, it’s still the english colonial victory…but with a yankee accent :wink:

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No Arabic-sharabic.. Only Punjabi! Punjabi is spoken by more than 50% of the population and hence should be the national language. Rameez Raja, Inzamam and others have always addressed the national team in punjabi- army addresses their cadres in Punjabi. Urdu was imposed on Pakistanis who were and are Punjabi majority! If Arabic or Persian is imposed, there will be another language riots and this time Army would be fighting for Punjabi against clueless politicians like Farukh Khan and Pakistan4Never.. If you love speaking Arabic or Persian, go get settled in the arab world...

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Replace Urdu by Farsi as national language? :rotfl: I see this as Irani/Afghani agenda :hoonh:

So today we are blamining India for “culture invasion”, tomorrow when we all learn Farsi we will have Irani/Afghani dramas/movies (whatever “trash” they have) we will blame them for “culture invasion”? Get a grip guys, why don’t make something of your own so YOU can invade too? :hoonh:

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I giving full support to you, Generally the National Language should be the Language mostly spoken by the people in their country
In Pakistan case it should be Punjabi

and someone is saying by 2050 everyone in India speaks hindhi
and i’m 100% sure that this is never going to happen
as south indians never speak hindhi and it is difficult for them to learn
as the south indians more inclined towards their tradition,culture and langauge
they hardly accepts other foregin langauge
maybe south indians can learn all southern languages as they are very much simliar but they can’t learn hindhi
English is become the business language to do business, thats the reason 90% of software industry is based in South India

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Farsi/Dari/Persian/Tajiki language does not belong to Iran only! It is spoken by various ethnic groups in Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan. But most importantly it was the official language in Pakistan region for many centuries under Muslim and non-Muslim periods until it was forcefully replaced with Urdu by the British colonialists and then promoted by the dominating Muhajirs after 1947. So Farsi/Dari/Persian/Tajiki language is our own.. we have many poets famous in it.. our ancestors spoke it.. our national anthem is in it.. our native languages are influenced by it.. it is part of our heritage and identity. With Pakistanis numbering 150 million who are far greater in numbers when compared to Iran, Afghanistan, and Central Asia combined.. and with a technological, political, military, and economic competitive advantage that Pakistan has.. I dont see any invasion coming from Iran/Afghanistan, rather it would be vice versa :slight_smile:

Why is Dari/Farsi a better choice than Urdu for Pakistan’s national language?

  1. Urdu has no historical basis:

Urdu has no historical basis in Pakistan region before the advent of British colonialists (the British further developed Urdu and promoted it) and was then imposed as Pakistan’s national language in 1947 by the Muhajir-dominated Pakistani media/govt. On the other hand, Farsi/Dari has a solid historical basis in Pakistan region. It was the official language through out Muslim and non-Muslim rule before the advent of British colonialists… whether locally independent or part of neighboring empires.

  1. Urdu represents an ethnic minority’s domination:

Urdu is the mother-tongue of only Muhajirs in Pakistan who represent less than 7% of Pakistanis. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi is not the mother-tongue of any single ethnic group. It is spoken by Hazaras, Tajiks, Persians, Uzbeks, Baluchs, Pashtuns, Kurds, etc. in the Afghanistan-Iran-CASia region.

  1. Urdu is a foreign language:

Urdu is only native to a part of north India (i.e. Delhi, UP, MP, Bihar, etc regions) and is a foreign language in Pakistan. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi was spoken by the ancestors of Pakistanis (pre-British era).

  1. Urdu is responsible for Indian cultural invasion:

Urdu and Hindi are the same language (except for the script and some loan-words). This enables the mighty Indian media outlets such as TV, films, news, music to strongly influence Pakistanis. Pakistanis are being “Indianized” while their distinct identities are being destroyed. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi media is weak and the language itself does not belong to any single country. This language equally belongs to Pakistan just like it was in the pre-British era.

  1. Urdu causes an identity crises:

Since Urdu and Hindi are the same language (except for the script and some loan-words), people falsely perceive Indians and Pakistanis to be the same people. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi ensures each country’s identity to be distinct. An Afghan is not perceived as an Iranian, and vice versa.

  1. Urdu contradicts the creation of Pakistan:

Since Pakistan’s creation was meant to separate from British-created Hindu India. Urdu being an Indian language and similar to Hindi is forcefully making Pakistan closer to Hindu India and undoing partition. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi will ensure Pakistan becomes more different from India and make it closer to its western neighbor with whom it has close historical, racial, cultural and religious ties.

  1. Urdu is disintegrating Pakistan:

Urdu imposition was mostly responsible for the loss of East Pakistan. And most Sindhis, Pashtuns, Baluchs, etc. strongly resent Urdu imposition. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi is not resented by any ethnic group of Pakistan because it does not belong to any ethnic group and has a solid historical basis in Pakistan.

  1. Urdu is the language of the Hindus:

Urdu/Hindi is the mother-tongue of almost 400 million Hindus in India and only 10 million Muslims in Pakistan. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi is only spoken by Muslims.

  1. Urdu lacks sophistication:

Most of Urdu literature is filled with wine drunken love affairs when the Muslim rule was steadily declining. It lacks science and modernity, even today. On the other hand, Dari/Farsi has plenty of books in various sciences and arts, was always the language of the sophisticated, and today has no problem adopting modernity.

  1. Urdu is a legacy of British colonialism:

Urdu/Hindi was never the official language during Muslim rule (it was always Dari/Farsi/Persian), and was first promoted and further developed by the British colonialists (Hindustani/Khariboli language was “communalized” at Fort Williams College giving birth to Urdu and Hindi). The British rejected Persian language in the region to de-link any Muslim connections with its western neighbors, and promoted Urdu/Hindi to engineer their newly created “Indian” colonial identity with Ganges region as its center.

  1. Urdu is a slave language:

Urdu/Hindi has always been a slave language. For example, its original/native speakers (north Indian Hindus) adopted much of Persian words/script when ruled by the Persian-speaking Muslims, and then adopted much of English words when ruled by the British (which continues today with Anglo-American global influence). On the other hand, Persian language was the language of Southwest/Central/South Asian Muslims who proudly ruled the whole region for many centuries. Today the remnants of Persian speakers are proof that Persian language does not bow down to foreign influence/occupation, and proudly utilizes its own words.

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Punjabi, Seraiki, Pashto, Sindhi, and Balochi should be declared as national languages of Pakistan and promoted at its own provincial/district level. No Pakistani would accept ONLY Punjabi as the national language of Pakistan as it will be seen as cultural domination of one ethnic group over the others, dont we already have enough of some people complaining about this, so why make that to the extreme, it will only make the case for separatism among other non-Punjabi ethnic groups stronger. The solution is to have Dari/Farsi as the national language of Pakistan for inter-provincial/ethnic communications.

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I would like to quote the following article on this:

Should English continue as our Official Language?

All languages of Pakistan are oppressed, and the ruling elite Anglophones continue to deny them their rightful role they deserve as the official languages of Pakistan. Fifty three years after the so-called independence English continues as the official language and graduates from non-English medium schools face a job market in the control of these colonial forces bent on the total destruction of all Pakistani languages. The fact is that in 1947 we inherited an elitist ruling class bureaucracy tenaciously clinging to power and owing allegiance to Britain alone and seeking a strengthening of Anglo-American interests and cultural subversion, the destruction of Muslim/Pakistani values and lifestyles throughout the country. The plain fact is that as long as English remains as the official language of Pakistan it will be difficult to create a vibrant national spirit or culture The status of national language is meaningless; unless it is allowed to assume the role of official language, and as the medium of universal instruction within the country. Language is a potent force in the promotion of nationalism and national cohesion.<<<

Indeed, after more than a half century of the so-called independence, majority of Pakistanis are still in a state of mental slavery. You have accurately pinpointed the causes and agendas behind the far more potent danger to our culture and identity—the English domination in Pakistan; which is led by the British-installed Anglophile elite of Pakistan, to serve the interests of the Anglo-Americans and their own.

Widespread ignorance among the masses is being exploited, with the false propaganda of English as the “global” or “better” language. Also, the promotion of English is misleadingly justified as the “heritage” of Pakistanis, or on the basis of “linguistic evolution”.

The argument of English being a global language holds no weight, as you know these so called global languages come and go, depending on a nation’s politico-economic influence in the world. At different time periods, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Persian, and Arabic served as global languages. Sure, it is good to learn the global language or any other language, but not at the cost of losing your own. And what is more important is that while these transitions in the balance of world power take place, other nations should cling on to their language/culture in order to ensure their long term survival.

The claim of English as a better language is simply hogwash. Linguists and cultural anthropologists agree that language is independent of the mental level in people. There is no correlation between a people’s language and their level of sophistication. For example, the once barbaric Germanic-speaking people, who were far less civilized than others, are today one of the most sophisticated people in the world. Languages that lack the essentials of today’s constantly changing modern world can simply be further developed to meet the demands via proper linguistic institutions. Out of national pride, the once rarely spoken and ancient Hebrew language was revived and further developed as Israel’s national language. Today, Israel is one of the world’s leading countries in technology, and its Hebrew language proudly satisfies their demands. Japan, China, Korea, Russia, Latin and Arab countries, Iran, and many others are proof that national pride of language can overpower against any odds.

English language, as the heritage of Pakistanis is another bogus claim. The very fact that the British imperialists invaded South Asia, looted and enslaved its people, and then fled back to their country thousands of miles away does not make them part of our heritage. Unlike the Aryas, Sakas, Yavanas, Hunas, Turks, and various other invaders, the British did not settle permanently in South Asia, nor did they intermarry with the South Asians. Therefore, the British and their English language are not the true heritage of Pakistanis, but instead they are the bitter legacy of foreign subjugation and plunder.

It is true that language is in a constant natural process of evolution, dependent on the sociopolitical circumstances. As different peoples interact or merge, they influence each other, thereby bringing change. This is a slow natural process, independent of external factors. Unnecessarily using a foreign/colonial language, or purposely substituting the words in your language from it, is nothing more than slave-mindedness, and stands against the very principles of linguistic evolution. A proud Arab, Iranian, French, Chinese, Japanese, etc. would never unnecessarily prefer to speak English, nor replace words in their language from English.

The greater part of the blame for the continuing dominance of English language in Pakistan lies within us, the common Pakistanis. We blame others, particularly the elite and foreign powers, but at the same time it is very hypocritical of us to send our children to English medium schools, lavishly using English language/words instead of our own, and basically giving a godly status to everything English/Western. This slave-mindedness and inferiority complex is so deeply rooted in our psyche, that we don’t even want to acknowledge or fight it. We are so much consumed with careerism and materialism that we continue to ignore the infection of slavery in our minds, like a deadly disease slowly destroying our identity and culture.

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Hindi is spoken by 50-60% of Indians - same number as Punjabi as spoken in Pakistan- At the time of their(Indian) independence, they thought Hindi was a good candidate to be the national language and they made it the national language! Most of the ppl still accepted the fact except one south indian state (Tamil Nadu).. Now many south indians also speak Hindi, thanks to the Bollywood. We couldn't do anything like that cuz of some politicians at the time of partition. We can't depend on English much as it is a foriegn language... but we have to depend on it temporarily till scientific research and technological studies becomes feasible in Punjabi.

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Hindi imposition is opposed by many ethnic groups of India such as the Tamils, Nagas, Manipurans, Sikhs, etc. I think Hindi-imposition is partly responsible for the separatist rebellions and aspirations among the various non-Hindi ethnic groups in India. So this Indian experiment of Hindi is not a good example for the case of Punjabi (or Urdu for that matter) as Pakistan’s national language!

Like I said before, Punjabi, Seraiki, Pashto, Sindhi, and Balochi should be declared as national languages of Pakistan and promoted at its own provincial/district level. No Pakistani would accept ONLY Punjabi as the national language of Pakistan as it will be seen as cultural domination of one ethnic group over the others, dont we already have enough of some people complaining about this, so why make that to the extreme, it will only make the case for separatism among other non-Punjabi ethnic groups stronger. The solution is to have Dari/Farsi as the national language of Pakistan for inter-provincial/ethnic communications.

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Who cares!!!!!

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If we had chosen Sindhi as national language you will be crying oh look Sindhis are dominating and vice versa.

:rotfl: Dominating? :rotfl: thats why some people ending up making a political party to save their rights? Come’on, who you fooling?

It has been rebutted by others.

The cultural invasion is because we couldn’t “counter” their innovations/style/etc. If we had better movies, would you here be crying “India is watching our movies”?

Only to those who base their “identity” on language/race/ethnicity. To Muslims, it doesn’t matter what your language is… unless you are crying here for Christians, Ismailis of NWFP

Again, just because of your blind hatred of Urdu you seem it contradicting Pakistan

Whats disintegrating Pakistan is really suppression of miniorities, suppression of people’s rights, lack of justice… did these things ever ring a bell?

Total ignorance of history

:omg: sorry if the website had allows I’d have posted this smilie 1000 times

haw haye… the Sardar system, the Chodhri system, the Jageerdar system, the Wadera systems have been very effective and should remain, Urdu should be dropped since it is the only thing hampering Pakistan’s development. :k:

Slave is the set of your mind, if you are slave it doesn’t matter what language you speak.

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:rotfl: Do you even understand what you are saying here?

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Captain1,

Your emotional and hollow responses lacks any substance, and completely ignores all the facts I had posted.

Have a good day! ;)

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My responses are hollow? :rotfl: Buddy you need to look at the material you posted and the “reasoning”… you may be able to convince 6-8 year olds or the illiterate ones, but not here.

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Just like Urdu divided East and West Pakistan. Hindi will split South from North Bharat.

Urdu/ Hindi is beautiful language for shairo Shariee (poetry), and I love it for that.

However this is a terrible language when it comes to development and progress of a nation. This language is like termite that eats the regions from within.

Southie Bharatis will soon realize that UP and Bihar (and Dilli) walas are eating their hard earned $$$ and wasting them on Paan supaari.

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^ :hehe:. So whats your suggestion regarding the new national language? It cant be English cuz most of the Pakistani including the national cricket captain cant speak it.