Indian troops fire into crowds, result in casualties

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You're talking about civilians caught between two armed forces. It's collateral damage and is the result of shooting that misses its intended target and land in nearby civilian areas.

India's hindu domainated police, on the other hand, are making targetted shooting at unarmed crowds of protestors. Jinnah vindicated... yet again.

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Sure, is that why you were saying "have'nt seen anyone open a thread when there was infighting in lebanon and in GAZA... "?

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What do you think Pakistani police does in a similar situation !!!! They are all muslims don't they still fire on unarmed protestors (all muslims) ..... or you mean to say Pakistani police does not shoot at all !!!!!!!!!!!

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Thats stupid of you maddy. Its not because the army was hindus that they fired and not also because the law breakers were muslims. Keep religion off here.

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They don't shoot at protesting crowds. They baton charge, teargas, and rubebr bullet them, but don't open fire on unarmed crowds with live ammunition. Unlike the hindu police of India's attitude to protesting Muslims.

Thank God for Jinnah.

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The VHP held counter-protests across several Indian cities. You didn't hear about them getting gunned down for it. The main difference is that the VHP's protestors were hindu.... like most of the police.

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Sorry I didn't read that in news, care to elaborate? besides, which is good (common sense): tear gas or firing real bullets at "common citizen"?

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How old are you .... hope you were old enough in 1992 when in POK the same thing happened ..... Kashmiri protestors wanted to warch to the border .... they were shot ... 12 people were killed .... that was muslim on muslim action...

What has happened in Kashmir is sad and regretable ..... but then Paskitan police behaves the same way .... so it is not a hindu - muslim thing

Infact yesterday in Noida , close to New Delhi ... police killed three protestors in police firing .... all hindus killed by hindu force .... Police is Police be it India or Pakistan ... somebody gotta do the dirty work

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Read 12 Are Killed as Pakistani Police Fire on Kashmiris Marching Toward Border - New York Times

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What is the correlation here? Are you saying since Pakistan killed some Kashmiris in 1992 it gives rights to India killing their Kashmiris? Sad and pathetic.

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Yes, clearly what happened once, 16 years ago in Pakistan makes things just as bad as in India, where almost every year unarmed members of unarmed Muslim crowds in Kashmir get shot by mainly hindu police during protests over some cause or the other.

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The point i want to make to both of you is ..... protestors were killed by police ... that is the basic issue .. it was something that should have not happened but it did happen .... but if you bring in hindu -muslim angle ..... just shows bias because the same thing is happening or would happen in Pakistan where both the police or population is all muslim.

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This story was dreamed up some hindu sympathizer form nytimes and has no merit nor has it been reported by any other source.

tehran times : Jammu flare-up and the ideology of hate

Jammu flare-up and the ideology of hate
By Syed Ali Safvi

The land row and subsequent political and economic crisis have raised many a question and exploded many a myth. It has also exonerated Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s demand for a separate nation for Muslims. The father of the Indian nation, Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, once said that India would be known by the way it treats its minorities.

If Gandhi were alive today, he certainly would have hung his head in shame after seeing his dream of Hindu-Muslim-Sikh unity being tethered by some Hindu fanatics who are hellbent on spreading communal animosity.

It has been proven time and again that the Indian state has failed to protect its minorities. The West Bengal riots, the Delhi riots, the 1984 Sikh riots, the Babri Masjid demolition, the Baghalpur riots, the Gujarat pogrom, and hundreds and thousands of such communal riots in a span of less than 60 years have exposed the underbelly of Indian secularism. Now, the Jammu region is in the throes of a communal flare-up, and if effective measures are not taken to douse the flames, the conflagration will engulf all of India, with disastrous consequences.

Protestors in Jammu have been given a free hand, as Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) Chairman Yaseen Malik aptly put it, “Protestors are playing a friendly match with the police.” The attack on the Greater Kashmir (GK) Jammu office at Gandhi Nagar has underlined and attested to the truth in Malik’s proclamation. On the contrary, police are manhandling the protestors in the Kashmir Valley and resorting to extreme measures to quell their protests.

According to a report, police in Srinagar have been using a “sophisticated and dangerous weapon” called Rudra -– which is only allowed to be used in military operations – on the unarmed peaceful protestors. This shows that the police and paramilitary forces have been using different modus ope***** in the two regions.

India boasts about its tenets of secularism and democratic values, but it is just empty rhetoric that is not reflected in the realities on the ground. The world has seen how secularism and the “age-old history” of religious tolerance were trampled upon in Gujarat by the successors of Vinayak Damodar Savarkar’s ‘ideology of hate’. The seeds of communal hatred were sown by the members of the Hindu Mahasabha long ago, even before the very idea of Pakistan came into being.

Contrary to the common belief that Jinnah originated the two-nation theory, actually it was Savarkar who propounded the theory years before the Muslim League embraced the idea. Savarkar had commanded all the Muslims to leave ‘Bharat’ to pave the way for the establishment of Hindu Rashtra. When Jinnah introduced his two-nation theory, Savarkar announced, “I have no quarrel with Mr. Jinnah’s two-nation theory… It is a historical fact that Hindus and Muslims are two nations.”

“His (Savarkar’s) doctrine was Hindutva, the doctrine of Hindu racial supremacy, and his dream was of rebuilding a great Hindu empire from the sources of the Indus to those of the Brahmaputra. He hated Muslims. There was no place for them in the Hindu society he envisioned.” (Freedom at Midnight, by Dominique Lapierre and Larry Collins).

So the hate campaign against Muslims was well in place even before the partition of erstwhile British India. This and many other significant factors forced Jinnah to demand a separate nation for Muslims as he believed that Muslims would not be safe in India – a prophetic declaration indeed! There is no denying the fact that Jinnah was secular to the marrow and would never have wished to cut ties with India, but circumstances compelled him to do so. However, he had not harbored grudges against India or its leaders. He had kept his house on Malabar Hill, thinking he could weekend there, while running his country from Karachi on weekdays, but destiny had something else in store for the estranged neighbors of the Asia Partition.

When Nathuram Godse pumped three bullets into Gandhi, a section of the Hindu community compared him with Judas. The writing was on the wall. The divide was evident. In some areas people mourned the death of Gandhi, and in other areas they distributed sweets, held celebrations, and demanded the release of Godse. Gandhi’s crime was that he had demanded security for Muslims.

The seeds of partition were actually sown by the stalwarts of Hindu Mahasabha, primarily the quartet of Savarkar, Gawarikar, Apte, and Nathuram Godse. Independent India’s history is testimony to the fact that in a conflict between the forces of secular nationalism and religious communalism, the latter has always ruled the roost. Secular forces have more often than not ended up playing into the hands of communal forces. Such has been the history of independent India, and it is again on display in Jammu.

Jammu has always been a communally sensitive region compared to the Kashmir Valley. Muslims of Jammu have borne the brunt of communal hatred before when Maharaja Hari Singh, with the help of the armed bands of the extremist militant Hindu party Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), slew thousands of Muslims and forced the exodus of over 100,000 Muslims from Poonch. Interestingly, while the government is making every effort to facilitate the return of Kashmiri Pandits back to Kashmir, nothing has been done to bring back the refugees of the Jammu exodus.

The authorities have miserably failed to protect the hapless Muslims in Jammu. The protestors are doing things at will, even when the so-called curfew is in place. The Hindu fanatics have wreaked havoc in Akhnur Tehsil (50 kilometers from Jammu) and the authorities are haplessly watching as mute spectators.

The State of Jammu and Kashmir has reached a stage where the integrity of the state is threatened.

The economic blockade imposed on the Kashmir Valley by Hindu fanatic forces has intensified the crisis. The Kashmir leadership is now exploring trade options via Muzaffarabad, something that should have been done long ago. Anyway, “deer ayad durust ayad” (better late than never). In the wake of the road blockade, it becomes imperative for Kashmir to explore alternative road links instead of being dependent on the current insufficient linkages. Through the Jhelum Valley road, Kashmir can restore its ties with China, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia. And there is one more benefit. It is the only route that is free of snow in winter owing to its low elevation. Therefore, it will ensure an uninterrupted flow of traffic year-round.

This route has historical significance, too.

“The Jhelum Valley route was, until the partition, the easiest route from the Punjab to Kashmir. It was also convenient for those who wished to proceed towards Attock and Peshawar from Kashmir. It also must have been used for Kashmir’s trade with Persia and western Turkistan. Hiuen Tsiang and Ou-K’ong entered Kashmir from the west by this route, and it is by this route that many learned scholars and Sufis from Persia and Turkistan came to the valley.” (Kashmir under the Sultans by Mohibbul Hasan)

There are also reports in the media that in Uri protestors have threatened to cut power exports to counter the economic blockade (GK, August 9). If political parties in New Delhi, irrespective of their political ideology, do not immediately intervene and make efforts to pacify the agitators in Jammu, the State of Jammu and Kashmir could very well be divided along religious lines. Here, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) is seeking to play a major role. In the run-up to Assembly and Lok Sabha elections, the party is trying to get political mileage out of the land row, but its members must make sure that the situation does not get out of control. If that happens, as one of my friends said, “We would see the Red Army in Ladakh, the Green Army in the Valley, and the Saffron Army in Jammu.” Are we ready for that?

For the saner elements in the Kashmir Valley and Jammu, it is time to show resilience and commitment to religious tolerance. They should not succumb to the pressure and most importantly they must not play into the hands of divisive forces which are hellbent on dividing the state along religious lines. For the authorities, it is like one of those bad dreams where you leave the house and discover you’re not dressed properly. Nonetheless, it is high time they pull up their socks and do what is required.

The writer is a Kashmir-based journalist.

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Yep anyone writing about Pakistan’s wrong doing is a hindu sympathizer … here is what JKLF has on its website about the march

AMANULLAH KHAN DESCRIBES PAKISTAN AS ENEMY OF KASHMIRIS.

**JKLF IN SRINAGAR CRITICISES SARDAR QAYYUM **

NAWAZ SHARIF ASSURES INDIA STEPS TO BE TAKEN TO PREVENT JKLF MARCH

**UNSC TOLD PAKISTAN NOT TO ALLOW JKLF ACTIVISTS TO CROSS LINE OF CONTROL **

Read … http://shell.comsats.net.pk/~jklf/clip001.htm

About the killing from the same source … JKLF …

The venture cost the lives of seven people including Raja Sajjad, Farid Ahmad, Khani Zaman, Khalil-ur-Rahman, Ishtiaq Ahmad and Mushtaq Munir Rathore and another 50 people were injured, 38 having received major injuries. But for the timely and most precious services of Edhi Ambulance Service and Ansar Burney Trust ambulances, atleast 40 people would have succumbed to injuries

http://shell.comsats.net.pk/~jklf/ii19.htm

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How desperate do you have to be to post stuff rom 1992?

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It is about the situation and not the timing .... the way Pakistan responded to a similar situation .... just wanted to make a point that it is not a hindu - muslim thing .... Paksitani forces acted in a similar way to deal with the similar situation ..... though it doesn't justify what India did ...

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well well well, the true emotions come out. We don't care what the world calls us, we will always be grateful for Jinnah.

Timepass -April 2012
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Been a subscriber to RSS lately?!

How very hateful of you....sad to hear this coming from you.

The Heart Break Kid
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FYI
They are not common citizens. Those terrorist fired at policemen injuring 7 policemen. That's why they were fired at.

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Timepass -April 2012