One big name is Molana Azad.
Who else? and what were the reasons behind such opposition?
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i don't thin k Maulana Azad was unhappy with the idea of creation of Pakistan...he was more critical about the feasibility and weakening of Muslims due to division.
i believe Hasrat Mohani...i think almost for the same reasons as Maulana Abul Kalam Azad which is unfortunately coming true now.
hijrat karne ke silsile se unkaa ek misr'a kaafii mash'hoor huaa:
mar ke bhii chai'n na paayaa to kidhar jaayeNge?
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^Unfortunately ???? Man, we are happy in Pak. Atleast, Pakistan ma Muslmano Ka Roza Zabardaasti nhe torvaya jata, what "Shav-seena" did during Ramzan.
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^Unfortunately ???? Man, we are happy in Pak. Atleast, Pakistan ma Muslmano Ka Roza Zabardaasti nhe torvaya jata, what "Shav-seena" did in india this Ramzan.
happy? really? is that according to some survey recently?
'roza toRvaanaa' was an isolated case...isn't it true that a Muslim's jaan o maal o izzat is not safe in Pakistan for whatever reasons? have some rationale in your statement, shahzaade! :)
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Maududi was against the creation of Pakistan as well as the mullas of Deoband, Jamiat Ulema Hind, Majlis Ahrar. Bacha Khan was another muslim politician opposed to creation of Pakistan
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happy? really? is that according to some survey recently?
'roza toRvaanaa' was an isolated case...isn't it true that a Muslim's jaan o maal o izzat is not safe in Pakistan for whatever reasons? have some rationale in your statement, shahzaade! :)
yeh, Jaan o Maal is not safe in Pakistan and Izaat is not safe in india, i mean rape cases. What i meant was, problems are everywhere, Crimes are everywhere. Even new York is nt a land of Paradise... All Muslims are not bad. All Christans and Hindus are not bad. One wrong muslim/hindu/christan does not make all Muslims or Hindus bad. Basically human nature is evil and dominating... That is why, You can not say that Pakistan is nt a place to live cz "Jaan o Maal" is not safe in pak. "Jaan o Maal plus Izaat is not safe in every part of the world.
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Molana Azad was a Congress leader and he remained associated with Congress since long. We are not in position to say whether Congress leaders were critical about future of Pakistan or they wished for an unstable future of Pakistan. Remember Congrees tactics not to give Pakistan its due share leading Mahatma Gandhi fasting.
As far as your reference to Hasart Mohani and this shair is concerned, to arz kiya hai ye shair Zauq ka hai , Hasrat ka nahin. Zauq ne shayad Bahadur Shah ki Rangoon Hijrat ke baare main kaha hoga 
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yeh, Jaan o Maal is not safe in Pakistan and Izaat is not safe in india, i mean rape cases. What i meant was, problems are everywhere, Crimes are everywhere. Even new York is nt a land of Paradise... All Muslims are not bad. All Christans and Hindus are not bad. One wrong muslim/hindu/christan does not make all Muslims or Hindus bad. Basically human nature is evil and dominating... That is why, You can not say that Pakistan is nt a place to live cz "Jaan o Maal" is not safe in pak. "Jaan o Maal plus Izaat is not safe in every part of the world.
The difference is none of the other places was trumpeted to be the promised land for muslims. We cannot just say, "Its ok, that other country is worse". Is it a race to the bottom? As long as we are not at the bottom, we are ok? Something got lost between Allama's vision and zia ul haq's implementation. Now pakistan is nether a truly islamic country nor a pure democracy. The powers that be in these two camps carry out vigilante justice, often on the poor and weak. "Well, India is worse" is not really a coherent argument, even if the point is being made by KKF or Southie or any other Indian. Those guys are here coz they care about pakistan not to make you feel bad.
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The difference is none of the other places was trumpeted to be the promised land for muslims. We cannot just say, "Its ok, that other country is worse". Is it a race to the bottom? As long as we are not at the bottom, we are ok? Something got lost between Allama's vision and zia ul haq's implementation. Now pakistan is nether a truly islamic country nor a pure democracy. The powers that be in these two camps carry out vigilante justice, often on the poor and weak. "Well, India is worse" is not really a coherent argument, even if the point is being made by KKF or Southie or any other Indian. Those guys are here coz they care about pakistan not to make you feel bad.
I think this post came after the discussion was directed in that direction. Agree that we are facing difficult times now, but every Pakistani should think before complaining 'what they have achieved from being citizens of Pakistan and what they done for Pakistan'. I'm sure majority will feel that they have got more than losing. if we have lost something, we have achieved a lot too. There is still a hope that will remain with Pakistanis forever.
BTW, those who prophesied unstable future of Pakistan were not fortune tellers and they could not see that in their life. Those died in their hatred who claimed that Pakistan will not survive for few months.
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@ Muqwee...thanx for correcting me...yeah, you are right! :) ... aajkal meraa dil o dimaaGh na jaane kahaaN hai! ;)
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The difference is none of the other places was trumpeted to be the promised land for muslims. We cannot just say, "Its ok, that other country is worse". Is it a race to the bottom? As long as we are not at the bottom, we are ok? Something got lost between Allama's vision and zia ul haq's implementation. Now pakistan is nether a truly islamic country nor a pure democracy. The powers that be in these two camps carry out vigilante justice, often on the poor and weak. "Well, India is worse" is not really a coherent argument, even if the point is being made by KKF or Southie or any other Indian. Those guys are here coz they care about pakistan not to make you feel bad.
Why do we assume things ? I have Indian friends on different forums. Read that comment, thoroughly
I did not say " India is worse". I was just saying that Criminalz are everywhere (pakistan, india, Poland e.t.c).
Re: Indian Muslim leaders who were not happy with making of 'Pakistan'?
One big name is Molana Azad.
Who else? and what were the reasons behind such opposition?
simple. not everyone bought into the "two-nation theory." (rightfully or wrongly is anothe debate). and some others believed it just weakened muslims.
ultimately one of the biggest long term losers from partition are the religious-minded muslims of india. with partition, the influence of muslims and islam on india has gone from near 50% to almost invisible. sure, the majority muslim areas got their islam free of hindus, but the ones who were minorities were left to be even smaller minorities after partition.
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simple. not everyone bought into the "two-nation theory." (rightfully or wrongly is anothe debate). and some others believed it just weakened muslims.
ultimately one of the biggest long term losers from partition are the religious-minded muslims of india. with partition, the influence of muslims and islam on india has gone from near 50% to almost invisible. sure, the majority muslim areas got their islam free of hindus, but the ones who were minorities were left to be even smaller minorities after partition.
But the partition and migration as happened were not known by many leaders till eleventh hour. Still they opposed the idea.
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This biggest problem in the creation of Pakistan and India out of the homeland was that it naturally created neighbours to become enemies ... As one nation we would have been much stronger ... I believe fewer extremes would have been present today ... The extreme Hindu and extreme Muslim who hate one another would probably not be as popular.
I don't know who opposed the idea ...
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Why do we assume things ? I have Indian friends on different forums. Read that comment, thoroughly I did not say " India is worse". I was just saying that Criminalz are everywhere (pakistan, india, Poland e.t.c).
I think the concern here is "Can we make Pakistan the best country in the world?" We should not stop for anything less ... The best in all good things ... lowest crime, highest pleasantries, etc
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But the partition and migration as happened were not known by many leaders till eleventh hour. Still they opposed the idea.
the exact details no, but it meant many different states would come to existence with religion being the basis.
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Why do we assume things ? I have Indian friends on different forums. Read that comment, thoroughly I did not say " India is worse". I was just saying that Criminalz are everywhere (pakistan, india, Poland e.t.c).
Am sorry you read it that way. The point I was making was that of being content with status quo by citing another country.
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This biggest problem in the creation of Pakistan and India out of the homeland was that it naturally created neighbours to become enemies ... As one nation we would have been much stronger ... I believe fewer extremes would have been present today ... The extreme Hindu and extreme Muslim who hate one another would probably not be as popular. .
I am not so sure about this. It could easily turn the other way, a civil war, far bloodier than partition & migration. One thing I am sure about though; Muslims would be the majority in the ruling class, as it has been for hundreds of year before 1947.
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I am not so sure about this. It could easily turn the other way, a civil war, far bloodier than partition & migration. One thing I am sure about though; Muslims would be the majority in the ruling class, as it has been for hundreds of year before 1947.
the last bit is highly unlikely in a democratic setup. one of the main issues at the time of partition was that the hindu had embraced western education more than the muslim and was poised to dominate the administrative class.
i agree about the civil war scenario etc.
the current setup has lead to two ideologically divergent nations as was desired by the populations in these countries. its hard imagining they could have worked together for long.
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we had co-existed for centuries and there was no reason, in my opinion, to worry about any changes in the social setup. we would have co-existed even after the independence.