Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
what mahol and Muqa are missing is, Indian secular cultural is different from Muslim Pakistani cultural. You can nt compare these two cultures. Y**es, Nanga-pan is everywhere in every society, even in muslim countries, but there is a limit to it. Bollywood has no boundries... **Even when such things are shown in Pak, people do raise their voice against it. But i have not seen Protests e.t.c in india. Let me clear that i am nt saying indian culture is bad. I am just saying we are far behind in moj maila than india
There is more limit to nangapan in India compared to countries like Turkey. They are a Muslim majority secular country but they still have those tv shows. Bollywood has a censor board and it has boundaries as well. People protested in India in the beginning but they know Bollywood is a big industry and no one will take their protests seriously. There are bigger issues in India than worrying about a small bollywood movie which if vulgar people won't see. There were court cases against actors of Ram Leela, Student of the year and there were protests and effigy burning of Shilpa Shetty when she let Richard Gere kiss her on the cheek a few years back. She didn't do anything just didn't say anything as he was a guest to India and raising money for charity. Even Richard Gere was surprised.
Personally im happier these days if people do mass protest against actual issues like rape rather an emraan hashmi film. They can make a decision not to watch such films and let them flop. Protesting only gives more attention to such movies and then more people see it.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
But the extramarital story lines were still there. I've not seen an indian drama where the wife falls for a nephew or where there is kissing like in turkey serials like you mentioned.
that drama was not Pakistani Production and Pakistani dramas do nt show Extra martial affairs (and i do not agree to what muqi said cz i watch all Pakistani Drama channels). i have seen extra martial affairs in indian dramas, even in Real life on Soney TV. Crime Petrol.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Acha hua aap ne pehle bola I agree with you. Bollywood does not reflect real life modesty and i think Indian modesty is more than bollywood. Bollywood is not even the only film industry in India. They sell a product to masses and some of those products are sold to particular masses. Like emraan hasmi movies are sold to rickshaw walla types who like to see those type of stories.
I don’t think Arleitter comment karenge. He is too busy thinking of indian tigers who cross the border.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Acha aisi baat hai Ab main samjhi aap ne hum ko mention kyon kiya Hum likh rahe hain aur aap popcorn enjoy kar rahe hain. Waise maine itne seriously nahi liya tha..sirf galat fehmi door kar rahi thi jaise yahan kar rahi hoon. Galat fehmi ke indian dramas are like turkish dramas and that mehwish is inspired by bollywood aisi cheezein. Mujhe pata TS acche insaan hain iss liye mujhe yakeen nahi hua jab unhon ne loose comment wali baat ki. Shayad galti se ho gayi. Ab iss thread mein PrinceJall ke galat fehmi door kar rahe hain. After all no Indian here has as much knowledge on Pakistani dramas, Bollywood, Indian dramas and Pakistani films To apna farz banta hai
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
that drama was not Pakistani Production and Pakistani dramas do nt show Extra martial affairs (and i do not agree to what muqi said cz i watch all Pakistani Drama channels). i have seen extra martial affairs in indian dramas, even in Real life on Soney TV. Crime Petrol.
Haven't you watched Mera Sain (that beenish Chohan and Noman Aijaz Track).
Anothe Noman Aijaz drama recently ended on ARY 'Be-imaan Muhabbat' all revolved around extra-marital affairs.
2008 Geo TV drama 'Kuch Dil ne Kaha' even showed a Pakistani married lady (Bushra Ansari) falling for an Indian man (Kanwal jeet), while her husband (javed Shaikh) was involved with her friend (maria Wasti).
2008, also gave us Man-o- Salwa showing life of an actress with so many bold scenes and extra marital affairs.
2007, Bushra Rehman's Piyasi (Hum TV) convey a pavitar dialogue to viewers (repeatedly shown in promos), when Mona Lisa was offended by tight clothes of Juggan Kazim: Tang kapRe nahin pehno gi, to laRke kaise tang honge.
2009 (Hum TV): in Mehreen Jabbar's Vasl Ayesha Khan asks her second husband Faisal Rehman " Are you a gay?"
2007: maney na ye dil was at par with 'Kasauti Zindagi ki' for poor dialogues and showing extra marital affairs with a professional girl.
2006: La-Hasil was a story of call girl who later converted to Islam and this play (though written by Umera Ahmed) had seen which can easily rebut your claim of sath suthri entertainmnet on Pakistani TV.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
I don't see any cultural similarity between clothing and lifestyle between Arabs and Pakistanis. Yet some people try so hard to make Arabs like them and to be part of the family. There are no widespread protests by Saudis worldwide over recent racist laws in Saudi Arabia. Not sure if much was said in Pakistan either. It's just accepted.
Exactly. Saudi Arabia just passed a law banning Saudi men from marrying Pakistanis and people still go out of their way to emulate the Arabs. It's quite sad and almost comical that they don't see their one-sided love affair. Ah well, to each, his own.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Haven't you watched Mera Sain (that beenish Chohan and Noman Aijaz Track).
Anothe Noman Aijaz drama recently ended on ARY 'Be-imaan Muhabbat' all revolved around extra-marital affairs.
2008 Geo TV drama 'Kuch Dil ne Kaha' even showed a Pakistani married lady (Bushra Ansari) falling for an Indian man (Kanwal jeet), while her husband (javed Shaikh) was involved with her friend (maria Wasti).
2008, also gave us Man-o- Salwa showing life of an actress with so many bold scenes and extra marital affairs.
2007, Bushra Rehman's Piyasi (Hum TV) convey a pavitar dialogue to viewers (repeatedly shown in promos), when Mona Lisa was offended by tight clothes of Juggan Kazim: Tang kapRe nahin pehno gi, to laRke kaise tang honge.
2009 (Hum TV): in Mehreen Jabbar's Vasl Ayesha Khan asks her second husband Faisal Rehman " Are you a gay?"
2007: maney na ye dil was at par with 'Kasauti Zindagi ki' for poor dialogues and showing extra marital affairs with a professional girl.
2006: La-Hasil was a story of call girl who later converted to Islam and this play (though written by Umera Ahmed) had seen which can easily rebut your claim of sath suthri entertainmnet on Pakistani TV.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Sorry i know you didn’t mean that “loose” comment. It was the other person who was generalising first. Lekin Muqa bhai mentioned that thread so i had to say something. All comments im posting are just my view points they don’t mean to make you look wrong or make you feel bad. Agar aise ho to humein maaf kar dijiye. Anyway woh joke ho gaya so we shouldn’t talk about it.
WIth pictures i just wanted to show that Bollywood is not all things Indian. Just because immodest dressing happens in bollywood doesn’t mean it happens everywhere or in real life.
This thread is just becoming about bollywood modesty vs pakistani drama or lollywood modesty.If we are comparing drama serials then compare indian vs pakistani drama serials in terms of clothes. If we’re comparing film industry then compare bollywood vs lollywood vs any other wood.
I understand your views on HM thread and that is why i posted those modest pics of HM and joked that bollywood corrupted her. Then after reading Lily’s comments yesterday and her past threads mujhe laga why blame a whole industry for what pakistani actors do. If you hate an industry and indians things fine but then don’t go on the bollywood forum and say it is trash which is what she did. Or don’t say that on every single bollywood related thread on showbiz pakistan. Thoda boring ho jaata hai same lines baar baar padh ke. Kehna hai to creatively kaho. They have choice to act not act in film. No one should feel they have to sign a film if it goes against their values. Queer also doesn’t represent the average Indian.
I know bollywood seems very big because you see lot of images but i think its important to say though it’s a big industry it’s only one film industry in India. It doesn’t cover Indian art films and other films.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
It’s only been recently that male Pakistani actors are acting in Bollywood compared to female actors. It takes time for an industry to be open minded. Still many films have been made with Indian Muslim boys falling in love with Indian non Muslim girls even though that’s not allowed. Example is My name is Khan, Pinjar and many others. My name is khan was released in Pakistan if i remember right. Anyway, thing is shouldn’t be about what movies should be shown but there are open minded bollywood films as well. So when you say Indians don’t think we should generalise for all Indians because some do wrong. Same with Pakistanis. Forget love stories. In Namaste London there was a football game between English people vs Indians/Pakistanis. In the movie they had players on the desi side have faces painted with India/Pakistani flags. Is there any Pakistani movies which shows this positive aspect of India/Pakistan relations or has similar flags painted on face. Maybe Pakistani film industry is new and maybe it will happen in time who knows.
If the actress is doing that then she shouldn’t. There are bad people everywhere and some will exploit that for money. Veena said her photos were morphed and the isi tattoo was for a company and not the army. I don’t know what truth is but if the magazine morphed it then that is wrong of them. At same time why is she posing for a magazine of such reputation as FHM. No amount of money is worth that.
I think London, Paris, New York had such scenes of Indian actress with Pakistani actor. Public had no reaction. What would happen if a Pakistani drama showed an Indian Muslim in love with a Pakistani girl. Point to ponder as well Or what would happen if a singing show had an Indian sing Iqbal’s “Saare jahan se acha” what would Luqman and others say? We already had that on a singing show when a Pakistani singer from Dubai sang aye mere pyare watan. Crowd appreciated it and he got basically full marks. PrinceJall feels very close to Saudi Arabia/Arabs so let me know if they had this happen on Saudi tv or any Arab singing show in middle east.
How many Indian singers featured on Pakistani reality shows? Agar kisi ne aise patriotic song kiya show pe then aap definitely post kariye.
Sheer volume is also because there are more people in India than Pakistan. Population issue hai.
Iss liye i say aise comparisons mat kariye. Positive and negative is everywhere.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
that drama was not Pakistani Production and Pakistani dramas do nt show Extra martial affairs (and i do not agree to what muqi said cz i watch all Pakistani Drama channels). i have seen extra martial affairs in indian dramas, even in Real life on Soney TV. Crime Petrol.
I'm sure if Muqa bhai said it there is some truth in it. Maybe it is some serials you haven't watched. Maybe some Indian showed extramarital affairs in the past but i can't think of any at the moment. But maybe they exist i don't know. Maybe you are thinking of movies. Crime Patrol is about real life stories. Extra marital affairs happen in all countries. They even show stories of real life murders so people know issues of what is happening. it doesn't mean all Indians agree or believe stories are right. We have shows like Satyamev Jayate which show real issues and solutions. If you don't know what wrong is happening in society how will you change society? Change in society starts with individual and not gov . Once individuals change then gov will change.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Haven't you watched Mera Sain (that beenish Chohan and Noman Aijaz Track).
Anothe Noman Aijaz drama recently ended on ARY 'Be-imaan Muhabbat' all revolved around extra-marital affairs.
2008 Geo TV drama 'Kuch Dil ne Kaha' even showed a Pakistani married lady (Bushra Ansari) falling for an Indian man (Kanwal jeet), while her husband (javed Shaikh) was involved with her friend (maria Wasti).
2008, also gave us Man-o- Salwa showing life of an actress with so many bold scenes and extra marital affairs.
2007, Bushra Rehman's Piyasi (Hum TV) convey a pavitar dialogue to viewers (repeatedly shown in promos), when Mona Lisa was offended by tight clothes of Juggan Kazim: Tang kapRe nahin pehno gi, to laRke kaise tang honge.
2009 (Hum TV): in Mehreen Jabbar's Vasl Ayesha Khan asks her second husband Faisal Rehman " Are you a gay?"
2007: maney na ye dil was at par with 'Kasauti Zindagi ki' for poor dialogues and showing extra marital affairs with a professional girl.
2006: La-Hasil was a story of call girl who later converted to Islam and this play (though written by Umera Ahmed) had seen which can easily rebut your claim of sath suthri entertainmnet on Pakistani TV.
Should I add more? I think I don't need to :D
I think PJ was talking about explicit scenes depicting such activity like on Western TV/movies.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
I think PJ was talking about explicit scenes depicting such activity like on Western TV/movies.
PJ was probably saying that we don't have shown extra-marital affairs on TV. I just gave some examples from dramas which are very close to our values. :D
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Exactly. Saudi Arabia just passed a law banning Saudi men from marrying Pakistanis and people still go out of their way to emulate the Arabs. It's quite sad and almost comical that they don't see their one-sided love affair. Ah well, to each, his own.
I don't get it either. One sided affairs never end well. I don't think i could respect a country which could have such a racist law. I wonder how Bangladeshis have taken to the news. There are some who are knowledgeable on Pakistani identity like MUqa bhai who feel no need to emulate Arabs and then there are others who justify reasons why it's the case. I doubt anyone would find justifications if this was a non-Arab land.
I just feel bad for those who do that. Pakistani has a rich culture and history that i don't understand why people want to emulate Arabs. Why not make them emulate you? Why let them get away with racism? I hope Nawaz Sharif says something about this to the Saudis.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Shukriya.
Expectations jo badh gayi hain itni.Aana to padega..likhna to padega Ab SOuthie aayenge and he will post about my long comments. The other bechare indians don’t have as much knowledge of pakistani dramas as me. They’re missing out.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
I think PJ was talking about explicit scenes depicting such activity like on Western TV/movies.
He was saying Indian dramas have extra-marital affairs but Pakistani dramas don't. Even Indian dramas don't show activity like western tv/movies. Turkey se to kam hai
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Indian artists are very well-respected in Pakistan and several Indian TV and film actors and actresses have acted in Pakistani TV plays and a couple of movies and were appreciated. Naseer, Kirron Kher, Poonam Dhillon and Nandita come to mind from film. There have been several TV artists which I can’t name because they are younger and less well-known.
There are several shows on several channels that have made tributes to Indian artists. One example is ‘Yaad karti hai Dunya’.
There is a political show Frontline with Kamran Shahid on Dunya TV who has dedicated several shows for interviews with renowned Indian artists.
They showed repeats during the Eid days. I have seen interviews with Lata, Gulzar, Sonaakshi, Rishi Kapoor, Pooja Bhatt etc.
And whenever any Indian artists visit Pakistan, they are seen in several shows on TV and treated with affection.
Re: Indian Modesty is different from Pakistani modesty
Indian artists are very well-respected in Pakistan and several Indian TV and film actors and actresses have acted in Pakistani TV plays and a couple of movies and were appreciated.
There are several shows on several channels that have made tributes to Indian artists. One example is 'Yaad karti hai Dunya'.
There is a political show Frontline with Kamran Shahid on Dunya TV who has dedicated several shows for interviews with renowned Indian artists.
They showed repeats during the Eid days. I have seen interviews with Lata, Gulzar, Sonaakshi, Rishi Kapoor, Pooja Batt etc.
And whenever any Indian artists visit Pakistan, they are seen in several shows on TV and treated with affection.
I know Nandita Das acted in movies. Good to know affection exists both sides. If i read just social network sites and fb to pata nahi chalta. Or if i read just lily's comments pata nahi chalta. Iss liye kehte hain ek do logon ki baat suna nahi chaiye.
I agree with you. Bollywood does not reflect real life modesty and i think Indian modesty is more than bollywood. Bollywood is not even the only film industry in India. They sell a product to masses and some of those products are sold to particular masses. Like emraan hasmi movies are sold to rickshaw walla types who like to see those type of stories.
maile kahin ke.. ab wo TV one ki telefilms mat mention kar dena 
