Indian hand behind terrorism in Balochistan and FATA?

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Yepz! Punjab is slightly challenging for indians. Although, I would rephrase what you said, “… for india, it is so easy to fool these dumb Pakistanis”… that includes the Pakistanis of East Pakistan (current Bangladesh)". You cant discredit the facts by laughing over them. Pakistanis cannot understand the sophistication with which india conducts covert operations within Pakistan because, generally, Pakistanis are not obsessed with india’s existance on the map of the world the way indians are with Pakistan’s (no matter how much they pretend they’re not).

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seriously…big mouth he got. i mean these are sensitive areas and as an ex COAS he shd never ever open his mouth on these topics. he is telling a freakin journalist what ISI did after 911…so that rest of the world can point out that per your own COAS who by the way was ruling the country at that time, Pakistan was nurturing taliban in Afghanistan..now we may have a very good strategic rationale but do we really need to spill the beans in public :smack:

from secrecey peprstive, i admire General Kayani…you will never ever hear a single word from that man.

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Just allow it man. Modi and the Hindutava parties continue to spew vitriol against Pakistan from time to time. They've all collectively pledged to 'teach Pakistan a lesson' (don't make me link their speeches here) in front of their anti Pakistan masses. Don't bother denying the fact that anti Pakistan fear and propaganda was not one of the central themes of Modi and Hindutava parties' election campaign. Yet you want Pakistanis to believe that India is some random, helpless hug a bear state that only knows how to cry about Pakistan's involvement in every other mishap and make thunderous threats, but would never actually dare cause any harm to the country they openly call enemy? Oh God, how I so wish that Indians were indeed that helpless and weak!

I don't know what exactly you are trying to prove with tunnel logic of 'blame ISI'? Of course, ISI created the Taliban with help of US and Saudi to defeat the Soviets and use them as strategic proxy tools. But today, ISI is actually fighting against them. You Indians wish that Pakistanis bad mouth and curse their own army, but the truth of the matter is, our army is the ultimate defence against these animals, and they have done an extremely remarkable job at saving the state from falling into the hands of murderous cave dwellers. Whatever political strings they allegedly pull behind the parliamentary scenes is Pakistan's internal matter! Opportunists shouldn't bothering shedding any crocodile tears over that.

To end the post with one simple question, if it is unanimously agreed without a shadow of doubt that Taliban or Kashmiri freedom fighters needed ISI/Saudi assistance to fight the Soviets/Indian Army, then why is it so hard to fathom that external hands are also at play now that the same brand of militants are fighting another strong army?

Gen Bajwa got it absolutely right, no amount of local bandits and criminals can wage a such a prolonged conflict - which is also getting increasingly sophisticated by each passing day against - a conventional army without any outside support. Pakistan at one point provided that 'external assistance' so they know exactly what they are talking about. But knowing India's involvement in Sri Lankan Civil War and East Pakistan, I don't understand how they have the audacity to paint their agencies as some holier than holy - holy cows. Too much holiness.

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The recent attack on Army parade at Wagah border had roughly killed the same number of people as Peshawar attack. We'd also seen terrorist attacks on Lahore's food street in the same year. The GHQ is also in Punjab, and there was one big massive attack on it!

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So my dear jolie, no one cares what ISPR says. Except the time when dharna's are in progress. You have to listen to them to see if they are raising their finger
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Aha! Now you must repeat after me and say God bless the Boots in Pakistan. They didn't 'take over the state' as bitterly anticipated by their haters. Fantástico!

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  • Pakistan is responsible for every single thing wrong in India but Indians don't do anything unethical.
    • We openly take credit of breaking Pakistan (Bangaldesh creation) by sponsoring proxies.
    • Our intelligence chief openly threatens about separating Balochistan from Pakistan in case of any more attacks against India.
    • Americans openly admit India is playing dirty game in Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan.

TYPICAL INDIAN HOLY COWS!!!

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Quit being absurd queer ji why not read B Raman’s book it tells all about the Kaoboys of Raw!

The Kaoboys & R&AW: Down Memory Lane: B. Raman: 9780979617430: Amazon.com: Books

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**Here we have some more interesting Karnamay of RAW:

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  The research reveals that after RAW completely failed in countering the Khalistan movement, it finally advised Prime Minister Indira Gandhi to go all out for a comprehensive military operations against the Sikhs and presented a high profile report that the only way out to tackle the Khalistan movement was to storm the most prestigious and religiously recognized

Sikh Temple, the Golden Tample in Indian Punjab as all the top Sikh separatists were hiding and operating from there. This prompted Indira Gandhi to order the most infamous military operation by Indian army, code-named Operation Blue Star in which thousands of innocent Sikhs were butchered by Indian army troops.

Just when Indira Gandhi was about to order full-fledged launching of the Kao plan for Balochistan to divert the national and international criticism from operation Blue Star, she was assassinated by some religiously motivated Sikh Guards of her own security detail.

Indira Gandhi’s assassination brought in her elder son Rajiv Gandhi to the scene and he took over as Indian Prime Minister. Rajiv always had serious doubts that her mother lost her life due to completely misleading reports and advices of RAW and thus had special anger and hatred for RAW and its top policy makers.

In the process, when his attention was drawn towards the Kao plan for Balochistan, he really lashed out at top RAW officials and snubbed them for misguiding his mother and thus getting her killed. Poor Rajiv, who remained away from country’s political and intelligence affairs as Indira was training her younger son Sanjay Gandhi to replace her in politics but he was unfortunately killed in an air crash, forgot that by then RAW had already become an uncontrollable monster and had emerged as a government within the government.

Rajiv decided to revamp RAW and curtail its powers and funds to a considerable volume and to make its every action known to the government and to make the agency accountable to the government. In the process, he kept changing the heads of RAW and kicked out many of agency official and ordered drastic reforms in RAW. The RAW moles at the PMO, informed RAW as to what was cooking for them in the minds of Rajiv Gandhi. It is said that it was this decision of Rajiv Gandhi that cost him his life and RAW finally managed to get rid of him through a suicide attack by a Tamil woman as RAW was drastically training Tamil people for suicide bombing and other militancy tactics for fighting in Sri Lanka in the ranks of LTTE.

Research indicates that two things happened after Rajiv’s assassination; Firstly, no Indian PM ever dared to introduce any sort of reforms in RAW and secondly, no one from RAW ever moved the Kao plan file to any successive Prime Minister, though it continued with keeping the Kao plan alive in Balochistan.

The research indicates that it was only after the 9/11 tragedy that RAW started getting very positive response from America’s CIA to make life miserable for Pakistan and its ISI. The research shows clearly that as the CIA and RAW ties started deepening owing to common interest of both the agencies, things in Balochistan started getting worst, day by day. The RAW-CIA honeymoon prompted RAW once again to get a formal approval of launching the Kao plan in Balochistan after the Congress government came into power in 2004. This time, the case was not discussed by RAW Chief with the Prime Minister but it was found more appropriate to get a final nod from the party chairperson Sonia Gandhi. Given the circumstance and assurances from CIA, RAW succeeded in getting Sonia nod for the Kao plan in 2004-2005 as it was found out to be the best time to launch the Kao plan as Pakistan was already surrounded with multiple dangers and conspiracies and for the first time it did not have a friendly government in adjoining Afghanistan. Sonia gave the final approval for formal launching of the Kao plan in Balochistan.

The Kao plan was initiated in Balochistan formally in 2004-2005 and within one year of its formal launching things got drastically difficult across the province.

The Kao plan made veteran Baloch leader Akbar Bugti and his like minded tribal leaders of the province defiant towards the federal government and they started initiating an insurgency movement in the province and even brought a name for the new Independent country as Islamic Emirates of Balochistan.

Kao plan for Balochistan had just a few amendments if compared with the Kao plan for East Pakistan. The basics remained the same. What was that? Launch a psychological war amongst the general public of the area; generate a feeling of deprivation and hatred amongst the local against the rest of the people of the country; fund and arm the tribal leaders; launch motivated media campaigns and seminars across the world to highlight a sham plight of the locals; generate feeling of hatred against the country’s army and Armed Forces; motivate locals to assault the Armed forces and portray security forces as some occupying troops amongst the locals as well to the global audience; create fake as well real clashes between country’s security Forces and the paid militants; train and arm the militants; organize seminars and conferences at major Capitals of the world and motivate a global opinion in favor of the militants by portraying them as freedom fighters and oppressed nation; do the media buying in the local country as well in the international market; create caucuses at different parliamentary forums across the world to plead and support the view point of the fighting militants etc; equate Baluchistan issue with the freedom movement in Indian Occupied Kashmir etc.


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Also we have the Tibetan Gurkha’s the main terrorizing force behind the so called Mukhti Bahini in East Pakistan:

Tibetan Brigadier Ratuk Brigadier Ratuk who is now 84 years old living in ‘Majno Cottila’ situated in “Tibet Colony” New Delhi, states that his secret gorilla force was not part of regular Indian army however they were under command of Indian army and Indian General Pabun was their Commander. The initial name of Ratuk’s army was ‘Voluntary Freedom Fighter Force’ but after 1962 Sino-Indian war it was renamed as ‘Tibetan Secret Regiment’. In order to avoid objection from Chinese side for armed interference into China this terrorist force of India was renamed as ‘Special Frontier Force’. Its Head Quarter was in ‘Dehradhun’ in Uttar Paradesh. Brigadier Ratuk says that when he was ordered to send his force to Eastern Pakistan to fight against Pakistan he was shocked because his only target was freedom of Tibet from China and secret war/ terrorism against China , so he denied to wage secret war/terrorism in East Pakistan.

After this approximately 2000 Bengali were brought into the camp and he was told that these are men of Mukti Bahni and will support his force in Gorilla war against Pak-Army in Eastern Pakistan . When these Tibetan militants entered into the Bengal they learned that Bengali traitors were not trained enough to fight against Pak army however they proved to be worthy guides because Tibetan terrorists were not aware of ground routes and installations of Pakistan army.
https://alaiwah.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/clip_101.jpg?w=462&h=312Brigadier Ratuk further claims that they (his Tibetan terrorists) waged war against Pakistan disguised as Mukti Bahni and the world was being deceived that Mukti Bahni is a force of freedom fighters fighting for freedom against Pakistan . Ratuk says that this is the most clear lie of history; the actual war was fought by his men, Indian army was brought in when Indians were assured that Pakistan army has been badly hurt and Pakistan army was isolated on the international level through successful/influential propaganda even that Pakistanis themselves were feeling ashamed for the stories of war crimes of Pak Army.
The biggest proof of our (Brigadier Ratuk & his force) success against Pak Army is that when we (Tibetans) reinforced our control over Chitagong, Special Advisor for Indira Gandhi and most trusted officer of Indian Secret Agency ‘Mr. R.N. Kao’ specially visited and acknowledged that without your (Tibetan terrorists) support Indian army would never had been able to achieve such a big success in East Pakistan.

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Thanks for the valuable information.

I would like to add that 2 more KAO plans were formally launched by RAW after 9/11 simultaneously to separate KP/FATA through sponsoring/funding TTP, SINDH through funding MQM mafia in addition to the Balouchistan KAO plan. We all have witnessed that... especially those of us living in Pakistan. We are not as clueless as overseas Pakistanis.

A guy from Quetta came to study in Lahore due to the bad security conditions in Balouchistan. He told me all about what's going on in Balouchistan. He told me a lot more than what this Indian writer has said in his book.

The conditions of SINDH, KP/FATA and Balouchistan are exactly the same except for a few minor differences because the core elements of the KAO plans are the same with guidelines to follow from successful operation in East Pakistan.

RAW & ISRAELi intelligence hand in hand and got more strength from CIA after staging 9/11 for them with the help of Russia (& maybe others too).i think people in CIA are nut heads who only follow orders blindly (they don't have a choice, anyway) without question or pondering where those orders are coming from, whose behind those orders. With little but of serious research, they'll find that those orders are outcome of RAW and it's friend's manipulation and exploitation of the world's powerful's opinion/judgement.

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Glad to help expose RAW's dirty work!

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Rajapaka blames India for insurgency in Pak - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Former Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapaksa has blamed India for the insurgency in Pakistan. In an interview to a Pakistan newspaper, Rajapaksa also suggested that RAW was responsible for his defeat in January’s elections in Sri Lanka in which he was defeated by Maithripala Sirisena-led coalition.

Rajapaksa said in reply to a query, “See the US, Europe, the west, they are not our friends. Pakistan helped us, especially Musharraf. What happened in my country and the insurgency in your country, RAW is behind it.” …

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Wow ! RAW is pretty capable then, to be able to manipulate an election and also create insurgency in a country :smokin:

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Well, that’s their job.

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and in your opinion RAW was only capable of jhaaroo/pocha in India?

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There probably is RAW involvement to an extent. But if we clean up the mess that we have created and get rid of this disease called BLA then there will be no chance for RAW to get involved and fund/train these so called freedom fighters. We need to deal with them with an iron fist and have proper government writ in Balochistan. I believe we have been soft for far too long with these extremists elements in our KP and Balochistan region and obviously that hasn’t worked.

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You just don’t see the sort of unity like on mqm issue. There are different standards for sons of soils and this is why balochistan and pakistanis are burning there!

You need to be fair with balochis (give them jobs, no quota system to import people to other provinces or cities) but also make sure that rebels are crushed. a carrot and stick policy applied honestly.