Pardon my ignorance, but this is the first time ever I am hearing this straight from the horses mouth. I know most members here never took media reports on Indian involvement seriously at all, and preferred some kind of confirmation from the Armed forces. So what shall we make of Gen. Bajwa’s claim from 35.48? Although he said that without giving too much information, but it is still a very interesting revelation.
I wonder why the army just never opened up before the public? He also makes a very interesting point about these terroists receiving foreign funding at 33.51.
The conference is from yesterday. It is an hour long video, but a must watch video.
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please. musharraf commando has been saying this for 10 years and not even bush believed his lies. but if indians can operate out of taliban-infested afghanistan when even NATO cant operate freely with all their patrols and guns, sure.. indians are just that awesome. now if they said indians are involved in fellow dark-skin infested punjab, yes. very possible.
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My overall impression of Musharraf is that he was generally quite against the propagation of such 'conspiracy theories', at least in the public eye. Musharraf decided to open up a lot more after he was out of power.
Proxy war between Indian and Pakistan is entirely possible (and looks like a current reality as per the recent revelations by the army). If both countries can so easily open up the fire at each other on LoC without fearing the imminent possibility of an armed conflict, it is not very hard to believe that they could also be involved in waging proxy attacks on each other.
But it's about time Pakistan army starts to open up on these issues and share it with the Pakistani public. All these 'baat cheet' on Indian involvement in funding terror in Pakistan was going on at the highest level (presumably), yet the Pakistani public had no idea about it. Any journalist who would mention this fact would be dismissed as a raver or a Taliban apologist
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^Exactly..i believe..there has been Indian proxy involvement in our country. I mean..DGISPR is right..that running such a huge terror organization needs funding and support from external sources i.e, RAW.
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I’m just incredibly amazed to see for the first time Pakistan army has finally acknowledged the elephant in the room in front of the public. That was an extremely significant revelation, and now looking back, I was quite surprised how this did not make Dawn’s headline nor it sparked any debate! Unless I have missed something. Usually, their columnist/bloggers are so quick to ridicule, dismiss and rip apart the Indian link. They get so offended, gosh! I guess the revelation made against this conference went against their agenda.
But people who always wanted army to confirm Indian hand in terrorism in Pakistan (not journalists) should be quite pleased by this conference. Or they’ll say Pakistani army is lying? (Indians are expected to say that?
I like the bit when DG-ISPR pledged that even if the world doesn’t co-operate and all odds are against us, Pakistan will still manage to eliminate terrorism! That’s the attitude. :k:
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Yes, Indians make sun and moon go around and created the world too. I wonder sometimes if there is anything Indians cannot do.
BTW first thing first, who cares what DG ISPR says, they are a full blown propaganda machine against the state of pakistan and india. They have no credibility left. They hire the services of likes of Zaid hamid to manipulate opinions.
Second he said most of them are pakistanis and next thing he said was all circumstantial. You can blame anyone if you go with your hunch.
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How dare you point out the obvious. This thread is for the people who just opened news paper for the first time in their lives.
Funny, Mushi just yesterday admitted that they created and supported taliban to be used againt india and they in fact also used them against india. But is it a surprise, everyone knows that. so far DG ISPR had been denying it.
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Yes, Indians make sun and moon go around and created the world too. I wonder sometimes if there is anything Indians cannot do.
BTW first thing first, who cares what DG ISPR says, they are a full blown propaganda machine against the state of pakistan and india. They have no credibility left. They hire the services of likes of Zaid hamid to manipulate opinions.
Second he said most of them are pakistanis and next thing he said was all circumstantial. You can blame anyone if you go with your hunch.
Excuse me? Pakistanis do! And Pakistan army is the part of the state - saviour of the state!
Secondly, no one is giving India any undue credit for making the world go around or creating son and moon. Just naming and shaming them for funding terror in Pakistan.
Indians don't need to act like such simpletons and pretend that their country can make all the noise about Pakistan's proxy hands in Kashmir nonstop, yet they love thy neighbours so much and they're helpless little teddy bear bear that they would never ever think of availing any opportunity to seek any revenge or settle scores that same manner from their enemy. Yeah whatever...Modi. Indian army, Shiv Sena and Hindutava parties absolutely love Pakistanis, and never dreamt of 'teaching them a lesson'.
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How dare you point out the obvious. This thread is for the people who just opened news paper for the first time in their lives.
Funny, Mushi just yesterday admitted that they created and supported taliban to be used againt india and they in fact also used them against india. But is it a surprise, everyone knows that. so far DG ISPR had been denying it.
Nope. Just heard an in uniform general for the first time publicly naming India for funding terror in Pakistan. All those hysterical and apologetic Aman ki Asha fans in Pakistan wanted the Army to say something about this issue for so long to confirm the reports, and it finally happened.
No doubt whatsoever that Pakistan created and used Taliban as strategic asset, so why should it be so shocking to fathom that any different country with lust for regional hegemony won't used the same strategic asset against their enemy? Proxy wars is an undeniable reality of modern world.
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^^ Pakistan is part of the Army. Its an army with a state.
Ask DG ISPR to provide one proof of Indian involvement. Their blind faith in India is not enough.
REgarding, modi, i dont know why you guys hate him, what has he ever done to pakistan or shiv sena for that matter. Not that they are non state actors killing hundreds in karachi or lahore.
Name and shame them, for a start name and shame isi who created taliban and funding them.
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Nope. Just heard an in uniform general for the first time publicly naming India for funding terror in Pakistan. All those hysterical and apologetic Aman ki Asha fans in Pakistan wanted the Army to say something about this issue for so long to confirm the reports, and it finally happened.
No doubt whatsoever that Pakistan created and used Taliban as strategic asset, so why should it be so shocking to fathom that any different country with lust for regional hegemony won't used the same strategic asset against their enemy? Proxy wars is an undeniable reality of modern world.
Well you havent been reading news then.
Also shame on the general and the people who put him in that post. Any accusations should be presented with a proof, he was himself shying to name someone he knows is not involved. He knows he got nothing in his hand and blaming his sins on others.
So my dear jolie, no one cares what ISPR says. Except the time when dharna's are in progress. You have to listen to them to see if they are raising their finger
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Well you havent been reading news then.
Also shame on the general and the people who put him in that post. Any accusations should be presented with a proof, he was himself shying to name someone he knows is not involved. He knows he got nothing in his hand and blaming his sins on others.
So my dear jolie, no one cares what ISPR says. Except the time when dharna's are in progress. You have to listen to them to see if they are raising their finger
Indians obviously can pretend that 'no one cares' just like how Pakistanis act when Hindutava parties and their Prime Minister cries about Pakistan involvement in this and that. Is there anything surprising? Not at all. Every bit of stubbornness and denial is expected, and that's okay. I'm not bothered.
Some stupid journalist also asked him to present proof in the conference, and to the General replied that there are times and places to release proof. If they can finally break their silence and admit and confirm Indian hand in funding terror in Pakistan, I hope very soon, they'll start releasing the evidence as well. Let's start going after all the enemies, and wipe them off one by one.
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I believe you’re talking about the same ‘bush’ who went to war with Iraq and remained there for 10 years because he believed the ‘truth’ that Iraq had WMD. No wonder he did not believe any ‘lies’ for 10 years about the indian involvement in terrorism Pakistan.
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^^ Pakistan is part of the Army. Its an army with a state.
Ask DG ISPR to provide one proof of Indian involvement. Their blind faith in India is not enough.
REgarding, modi, i dont know why you guys hate him, what has he ever done to pakistan or shiv sena for that matter. Not that they are non state actors killing hundreds in karachi or lahore.
Name and shame them, for a start name and shame isi who created taliban and funding them.
You can espouse the typical anti Pak army propaganda, make cheap digs, say whatever, but there is Pakistan because of army! Take army out of the equations, not just our arch enemy Indian, but even plenty of Muslim 'friendly' nations will run over Pakistan in no time. India's repeated violation and murdering of Pakistanis at LoC has made Pakistanis increase their love and respect for army many folds! They are also out main and perhaps only defence against Taliban, you can continue dragging politics to discredit them or whatever, it means jack.
Maybe you also need to read newspapers more often and get out of 'not caring' mentality, I don't think there is any secret that it is indeed the ISI that created Taliban. Doh! Did you just find out yesterday?
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Indian involvement in Pakistan is not limited to only FATA/BACLOUCHISTAN but SINDH also... to control Karachi - The business/economic hub of Pakistan. Same with Gwadar port in Balouchistan. RAW/Israeli intelligence have mutual interest in destabilizing Pakistan.
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I believe you're talking about the same 'bush' who went to war with Iraq and remained there for 10 years because he believed the 'truth' that Iraq had WMD. No wonder he did not believe any 'lies' for 10 years about the indian involvement in terrorism Pakistan.
Yes, believe Bush the nutcase who said God ordered him in his dream to bomb Iraq (Iraq war an epic example of religious terrorism of the West?). He must've had another dream telling him that Mush is lying.
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Indians obviously can pretend that 'no one cares' just like how Pakistanis act when Hindutava parties and their Prime Minister cries about Pakistan involvement in this and that. Is there anything surprising? Not at all. Every bit of stubbornness and denial is expected, and that's okay. I'm not bothered.
Some stupid journalist also asked him to present proof in the conference, and to the General replied that there are times and places to release proof. If they can finally break their silence and admit and confirm Indian hand in funding terror in Pakistan, I hope very soon, they'll start releasing the evidence as well. Let's start going after all the enemies, and wipe them off one by one.
Thats what they have been saying since beginning of time when asked to present proof. That settles the case for me.
He did shut a lot of mouths though when he said that the terrorists were pakistanis. There goes hypothesis of zaid hamid and shahid mahmood types.
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You can espouse the typical anti Pak army propaganda, make cheap digs, say whatever, but there is Pakistan because of army! Take army out of the equations, not just our arch enemy Indian, but even plenty of Muslim 'friendly' nations will run over Pakistan in no time. India's repeated violation and murdering of Pakistanis at LoC has made Pakistanis increase their love and respect for army many folds! They are also out main and perhaps only defence against Taliban, you can continue dragging politics to discredit them or whatever, it means jack.
Maybe you also need to read newspapers more often and get out of 'not caring' mentality, I don't think there is any secret that it is indeed the ISI that created Taliban. Doh! Did you just find out yesterday?
Why would anyone want to attack and take over pakistan?? Please come out of this insecurity, no one wants to occupy pakistan.
Only people trying to take over pakistan are taliban and we all know who is father of them. Now since you know that isi created and manage taliban so next step is to blame them instead of almighty india, america, pasta, door knob and water car.
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You can espouse the typical anti Pak army propaganda, make cheap digs, say whatever, but there is Pakistan because of army! Take army out of the equations, not just our arch enemy Indian, but even plenty of Muslim 'friendly' nations will run over Pakistan in no time. India's repeated violation and murdering of Pakistanis at LoC has made Pakistanis increase their love and respect for army many folds! They are also out main and perhaps only defence against Taliban, you can continue dragging politics to discredit them or whatever, it means jack.
Maybe you also need to read newspapers more often and get out of 'not caring' mentality, I don't think there is any secret that it is indeed the ISI that created Taliban. Doh! Did you just find out yesterday?
LOL, you obviously haven't read Pak history.
Every country in the world has an Army to protect it's borders.
In Pakistan the Army kills, loots and rules over it's own people.
now if they said indians are involved in fellow dark-skin infested punjab, yes. very possible.