Indian embassy bombed; Pakistani involvement hints Afghanistan

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reason you were quick to highlight the Afghan govt's suspicion and also make it part of the title while simply ignoring the Taliban claim. Your 14 consulates there are for one purpose only, to facilitate terrorsim in Pakistan, so stop making tall claims
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I am not Indian. My concern is that Pakistan is beginning the epicenter of Jihad, Inc. and this will hurt the world as well as Pakistan. Eventually someone is going to step in and finish the job if Pakistan doesn't, whether it is the US, China, or India. You can bet if a bunch of attacks on China start coming from Pakistan there will be swift action...

Every country in the region has consulates and offices. Why don't the Pakistani or Iranian ones ever get bombed? Look at what happened today. A bazaar was bombed in Pakistan. That has 0 to do with foreign affairs. It is about a murderous ideology that the embassy bomber, the UN food office bomber, the bazaar bomber today, and the hospital bomber last week all share.

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Yes and Obama is not black!

Why are indians so ashamed of calling themselves indians?

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Pakistanis are more ashamed of calling themselves Pakistanis. Instead they bend over for Saudis and try to make themselves look Arab.

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Re: Indian embassy bombed; Pakistani involvement hints Afghanistan

^^ I call myself Pakistani.

What do you call yourself?

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And you are u a pakistani? who is not willing to come out as a pakistani?
I am a proud Pakistan have nothing to do with SArabia. Its you who has some
fixation or i would call it obsession with S. Arabia. No one else mentions S. Arabia continuesly expect you and mr. Reason.
So about time to look into the mirror mate ;)

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I am an American of Pakistani descent.

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I am a proud Pakistan have nothing to do with SArabia.
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Who do you think financed the rise of jihadism in Pakistan?

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Well you will always be a Pakistani
so live with that. lolz

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America and other western countries financed, armed and trained these jihads and off course SA followed their aaqa !

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Oh no no
dont talk about that
no one wants to hear that
because it hurts
and its more convinient to talk about Islamist
women in burqa blasting themself up...etc.

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Saudi Arabia began financing global Islamism in the early 70's, before the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Saudi Arabia also gave more money to the jihadis in Afghanistan than the US. Who was following who? Saudi Arabia was near the USSR, it was ideologically opposed to the USSR. Why the assumption that Muslim countries are too dumb to have thoughts of their own? The Saudis are very sophisticated and have extended their influence throughout the Sunni Muslim world, Western Europe, and even in the US.

What madrassas did the West finance? Did they send imams and textbooks which taught that you go to heaven for "jihad"? Did they create the theological framework? Did they create the ideological framework in the 1920's with Mawdudi and and al-Banna? Where did Mawdudi draw his inspiration and ideology (of global jihad extending shariah to all countries) from? America? This is an internal virus threatening to infect the rest of the world. The tendency to blame everything on outsiders is holding the entire Muslim world down.

Let's postulate for a moment the myth that the West is why Muslims from Pakistan believe that you go to heaven for killing people, What does the West have to do with Islamists in the Philippines, China, Thailand, Indonesia, India, Kashmir, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Bosnia, Nigeria, Algeria, Somalia and so on?

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So you are denying that CIA (USA) was not involved in creating Taliban? And Talibans were educated in Madrassa? Where are ur facts mate dont focus on one thing because then you do not see the real picture you are trying to portray here for others.

"The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA….Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher

It seemed like a great idea, back in the ’80s to– embolden– and train and equip– Taliban, mujahidin, jihadists against the Soviet Union, which had invaded Afghanistan. And with our help, and with the Pakistani support– this group– including, at that time, Bin Laden, defeated the Soviet Union. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Oct. 7th, 2009"

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You can't hide by closing your eyes.

Its the fact that "taliban" brand was created of US help, by US help and for US help. Simple is that. Before afghan war, no one had hard about these talibans (or so called extremest). SA would have kept pouring money to Madarsas but it was USA and west which ARMED and TRAINED these guys and then left them in the middle of no where.

There is nothing wrong in JIHAND's concept by its self, its the application that Taliban are doing which is wrong. Killing innocent people. Islam has never taught to go out and kill people blindly and before that US/West funded war, there was no concept of that kind of jihad. Do you need me to tell you who Usama Bin Ladin is? and who brought him to Afghanistan during Afghan War? and who Armed him?

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Oh you did not get it?

“Let me repeat that: The Clinton administration, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, created the Taliban…” Rohrabacher "

did you read CLINTON?

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Still don't get it right?
hmmmmmmmmm hota hai aise hota hai mohtaram :)

“In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban “monster” by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power.”

Times of India, March 7, 2001

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Since you call yourself an American i would request you to point the finger at USA :) then the rest of the world.

"Inconveniently, invading Afghanistan was not ObL – at least not directly. First, regardless of the brutality of the Taleban inside Afghanistan, the U.S. was friendly with the Taleban. Through the Clinton administration, and into George W. Bush administration, the U.S. supported the Taleban government. In fact, Colin Powell gave the Taleban government $43 million in the summer of 2001 to facilitate progress on a pipeline through Afghanistan. That was the carrot. The stick was – do it or we will invade by October. Wow! Time lines from the Bush administration.

The short story is that Hamid Karzai, former UNOCAL advisor in Afghanistan, became the head of the new Afghan government. The pipeline project moved forward, and the Bush administration jumped off to the next big energy target for control – Iraq. But Afghanistan would not, and did not, go away. Now the people of Afghanistan want Karzai out for corruption and failure."

OpEdNews October 24th, 2008

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That is a very simple view of how the world works. Do you actually believe the US is why they believe they go to heaven for “jihad”?

Stinger missiles have nothing to do with a jihadist walking into a bazaar with explosives. The core problem is the belief that they are doing god’s work. That has 0 to do with the US. :rotfl: at the notion that they are doing “jihad” because the country they hate the most told them to.

What caused the application to change? What are the sources the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and the dozens of other jihadi groups rely upon to “justify” their terrorism? None of these things have to do with “kafir” countries.

Islamism was created in the 1920’s (when the US had had a military the size of Hungary and isolated itself from foreign affairs). The current concept of global jihad–while having centuries old roots (before the US even existed)–to impose shariah across the world was promulgated by Pakistan’s Mawudidi, Egypt’s Al-Banna and Qutb and later Khomenini in Iran. Suicide bombing was invented by the Hindu Tamil Tigers and it was introduced into the Islamic world by guess who? Yes, Khomenini. Let me guess: Khomenini introduced suicide bombing (early 80’s), gave it religious sanction, used it against the US because the US told him to? Suicide bombing became common by Sunni groups in the 90’s–after the Afghan war ended.

This person has zero credibility. The US was not friendly with the Taliban. It, like every country in the world except 3 (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE) did not even recognize the Taliban.

The $43 million was in humanitarian aid. The US gives Gaza some money for humanitarian purposes. Does that mean the US supports Hamas?

This doesn’t pass the smell test. Wasn’t the classic complaint that the US abandoned Afghanistan?

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Ah, here is the distortion. Here is what Harrison actually said:

This refers to the 80’s, not the 90’s and I highlight Pakistan’s role.

Do you believe that?

CIA worked in tandem with Pakistan to create the Taliban 7 Mar 01

So in other words Harrison said what was already known about the 80’s.

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Where did the Taliban learn to become Islamists? They did so as students of Jamiat-Uleme-e-Islam while Afghan refugees in Pakistan. Who is this? It was founded in 1945 when it split from another organization which was created in 1919. In Rashid Ahmed's book on the Taliban he says nothing about the US supporting or funding the Taliban only that at first the US said nothing because it hoped the Taliban would bring stability to Afghanistan. After the Taliban began their reign of barbarity the US, and numerous other nations, became hostile to the Taliban.

What does the US or the West have to do with Islamists in the Philippines, China, Thailand, Indonesia, India, Kashmir, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Bosnia, Nigeria, Algeria, Somalia, Morocco and so on? Then there is the roster of Western countries where jihadists have attacked.

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"Heard about the guy who fell off a skyscraper? On his way down past each floor, he kept saying to reassure himself: So far so good...so far so good...so far so good. How you fall doesn't matter. It's how you land!"

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Re: Indian embassy bombed; Pakistani involvement hints Afghanistan

lolz this guy is genious
he has anwser to everything
wrong anwser
but still anwsers amazing
truely amazing how the truth can be twisted
and how someone keeps on saying grass is NOT green
i am impressed i have to give it to you Reason
really
there is not bowing smilie else i would have used it.