Indian Cuisine vs Pakistani cuisine

Indo-Pak culinary divide: A bridge too far?

The Mumbai Mirror ( http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/index.aspx ) recently reported on how five young Pakistani contestants on the Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge 2007 TV show were finding it hard to deal with the vegetarian food being served to them. They had, apparently, had to resort to smuggling in eggs when their Brahmin cook was away.

These five dudes may not realise this, but in this they are following the rather more distinguished footsteps of Bade Ghulam Ali Khan. In Sheila Dhar’s book of essays on life, food and Hindustani music Raga ’n’ Josh (silly title, delightful book) she recalls how Khan once stayed in Delhi as a guest in a strict vegetarian house.

When a lavish vegetarian thali was put before him the maestro unbelievingly put “the large and rather shapeless thumb of his right hand into each bowl in turn, hoping against hope that it would encounter a piece of meat on the bone.” Finding none, he exploded: “Ai khana, te ai gana?” How could he make his music on “grasses swimming in fluids of various kinds?” All music stopped until ingredients were procured for a rich chicken curry which Khan himself cooked on a makeshift stove set up in the courtyard.

The opposite narrative is also common. Indians visiting Pakistan nearly always make note of the near absence of vegetarian food. Meat eaters love it, though tend to get overwhelmed by the richness and meat intensity of it all, while vegetarians are left forlornly eating raw vegetables and paneer since they note that even the dhal usually has meat in it. These narratives of flesh-fanatic Pakistanis versus ghaspoos Indians have solidified into national myths, firmly believed to be responsible for particular traits on both sides.

For example, it’s evoked to explain Pakistan’s demon bowlers, as cricketer Aaqib Javed does to Indian writer Rahul Bhattacharya in Pundits from Pakistan, his excellent book on the 2004 Indo-Pak series: “See, you can get protein from dal and eggs, but that is incomplete protein. The aggression you get that from beef.” Presumably as a concession to his Indian guest, Javed graciously notes that beef doesn’t have to come from cows, but can be from buffalos as well. Why these notoriously placid animals should induce aggression isn’t clear, but Javed insists that their red meat is responsible. It is not, he notes, just about speed: Srinath and Agarkar bowled faster, yet lacked the Pakistanis’ aggression. Javed felt that only Pathan, although not as fast, had this aggression. “He may be eating beef. I’m telling you it makes a difference.”

But how accurate is this culinary divide? We know, of course, that India’s non-vegetarian traditions are huge, but what about Pakistan’s vegetarian food? Did all Punjabi sabzis and Sindhi dhals just vanish with Partition? What about the ‘meatless days’ that Pakistan decreed after Independence, forbidding meat sale on Tuesdays and Wednesdays in order to conserve the country’s diminishing livestock? This rather rebounded, as Sara Suleri notes in Meatless Days, her wonderful collection of autobiographical essays. Those who could afford meat could afford to refrigerate it, so it simply made Mondays particularly busy for butchers. Special dishes of long cooked meats were made for meatless days, like “goat’s head and feet cooked with spices into a rich ungual sauce.” Instead of increasing vegetarianism, writes Suleri, “meatless days rapidly came to signify the imperative behind the acquisition of all things fleshly.”

I’ve sadly never been to Pakistan, but I asked Pakistani friends or those who’ve lived there about vegetarian food. “Good vegetarian food and Pakistan — absolutely wrong cocktail,” said a Brisbane-based Pakistani restaurateur with emphatic colour. He’s a Sindhi whose family was a rare pure vegetarian one in Pakistan, and traveling through the country he learned how hard it was to get vegetarian food. But others point to a distinction between restaurant and home.

There’s no doubt that meat is aspirational in Pakistan: people who go to a restaurant want to eat it so there’s no incentive for restaurants to have vegetarian sections. But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t cooked daily at home. A diplomat tells me of suffering indigestion from the amount of meat being fed to him. When he told his hosts, they said they had the same problem: “You don’t think we eat like this every day, do you?” They were piling on meat because it was expected for a guest.

But this isn’t so different from how it was in India 25-30 years back (and still is in small towns). Most restaurants served meat since hard core vegetarians were distrustful of food cooked by unknown hands and didn’t eat out. It was only when this fear was overcome that vegetarian food really took off in restaurants. Pakistan, it is true, has more allegiance to meat through the Islamic world, but here one could argue that it’s India that is the exception in the importance we place on vegetarian food.

Most of the world eats both meat and vegetables, and Pakistan has just fallen in line with this. But the Islamic world also has excellent vegetarian cuisine, such as the herb and lemon flavoured dishes of Morocco or the pickled and grilled vegetables of Lebanon, and maybe in time Pakistani restaurants will start serving these. Another friend tells me that some places with a reputation for gourmet food are already serving more vegetarian dishes.

The governments of India and Pakistan have fitfully tried many ways to bridge their divides, from buses to cricket to heart surgeries for kids, and perhaps its time for them to tackle this stereotype of a culinary divide. We could have festivals of Indian non-vegetarian food in Pakistan, and of Pakistani vegetarian food here. In time that might make more real the unity that Bhattacharya glimpsed briefly in Lahore after India won the ODI series. Fans flooded into Gawalmandi, Lahore’s famous food street, to feast on paya and mutton chaaps. “Sitting there in a sea of Indians and the odd Pakistani it was well obvious that cricket had not brought the countries closer together. Food had.”

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Pakistani singers distressed over vegetarian food in Mumbai

By Subhash K. Jha, Mumbai, June 3: Five Pakistani contestants taking part in India's music talent-hunt show "Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Challenge 2007" are fed up with the vegetarian food being served to them at their temporary residence in Mumbai. Culinary setbacks notwithstanding, the Pakistanis are having a blast in India.

"They are hardcore non-vegetarians and have to settle for green veggies since the cook is a Brahmin who refuses to cook any non-veg. Such is the frustration that they smuggled some eggs and cooked them when the cook was away," a source from the show's team said.

The Pakistanis -- Wasi Effendi, Junaid Sheikh, Mussarrat Abbas, Sikander Ali and Amanat Ali -- had even conjured up a prank to get non-vegetarian food on their dinner table.

"They got really innovative," the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said. "They made up a story of how the channel had asked for a cookery competition and that the best person to cook non-veg will win! Every day is a struggle to think up of ways to eat the greens they have come to dislike!"

"The whole idea of the 'vishwa-yudh' (as the talent hunt is called) started with the idea that the 'sargam' and 'gayaki' is the same in India and Pakistan," the show's creative head Payaol Patel said.

"While there are a lot of opportunities in India for talent to be showcased, in Pakistan, not many shows are available for participation."

Now, when a few of the Pakistani contestants stand a good chance of making it to the top, is there a chance of Indians getting hostile about outsiders stealing the show?

No, says Patel. "Today, in India, Pakistani singers have been accepted very well. Be it Junoon, Strings, Jal, Nazia Hassan, Hassan Jahangir, Ali Haider, Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan and the more recent Atif Aslam and Rahat Fateh Ali Khan.

"So these guys definitely stand a very good chance. And as one of the mentors had said, 'Pak singers ka gala bohut sadha hota hai kyonki woh riyaaz bohut karte hai' There is absolutely no resentment between the contestants.

"There definitely is a lot of competition as participants of a common show. In fact a lot of Indian participants are trying to learn the Pakistani style ... mix of Sufi, Punjabi and folk."

Patel does not believe that the Indian contestants are unfriendly to their Pakistani counterparts.

"The one thing I would like to mention is that the 'bahar ke log' theory is a figment of negative imagination. We are responsible for the borders that we have created. If it is true that we don't like things Pakistani, then songs like 'Juda Hoke Bhi', 'Mitwaa', and 'Jiya Dhadak Dhadak' would not have been such big hits," he said.

As for who among the Pakistani contestants is the best, Patel shrugs: "Difficult to say. All are very good. Mussarat is getting the best response from the audience. But the Indian and Pakistani contestants are very comfortable together and they stay together. In fact the cookery competition was a team effort!"

The five Pakistani team members have been touring Mumbai in their free time. They have visited the Gateway of India, Haji Ali, Siddhivinayak Temple, Juhu beach, Esselworld and a made special trip to savour Mumbai's very own vada pav.

"We had taken them on a special request by one of the Pakistanis, Wasi, who called it Aloo bandh," laughs Patel.

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hey dude what's this opening up of threads that lead to to the same crappy indo-pak debates and fights that are in essence and content no better than food fights.

can't we not limit this india vs pak thing to cricket.

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My husband used to joke that Punjabi food is basically meat with a side dish of meat with some rice with meat and some more meat on the side. Vegetarian dishes are healthier than eating meat all of the time, and we eat veg a couple of times a week.

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I used to say that a meal isn't a meal w/o a meat but since I've been staying at in-laws, they cook veggies more often than chicken, I'm getting used to--and liking--vegetable salans.

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initial article is very misleading, there are plenty of vegetarian dishes in Pakistan, and you will find them in restaurants ranging from dhabbas to 5 star hotels.

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^yeap. and if you are aware of recent inflation in meat prices in Pakistan, you'd be aware that vegetables have to be utilized if not by choice than by budget. That being said i do not prefer indian recipes over pakistani, it doesnt appeal to my taste buds. infact in that i am rather choosy and punjabi food is best to my liking. i think that is generally the case, lahore being the food capital of pakistan. and especially south indian cuisines are a night mare to me. indian way of cooking rice is not too bad though.or may be thats because i like rice more.

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Big tind used to always eat chholey-chawal

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Pakistan and India meat consumption per person per year is only 5 kg and that of the USA is more than 44 kg.

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Of the world’s ten most populous nations (China, India, the United States, Indonesia, Brazil, Russia, Pakistan, Japan, Bangladesh, and Nigeria), only five (China, the United States, Brazil, Russia, and Japan) consume large amounts of meat, ranging from 40 kg per capita in Japan to 123 kg per capita in the United States. The remaining five, along with most countries in Africa, all consume less than 5 kg per capita. Source: USDA.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/1626#1

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I am from Karachi where you have most exquisite variety of food and talking about our food, I find it different from indian food. I can eat some of their stuff but not all [esp gujrati]. I think even the hyderabadi, delhi stuff of india is different compared to what we have in karachi even though we have people from that community there. It is logical since we have been separate from india for 7 decades and it is bound to happen sooner or later like if you put two members of same species into two different places then speciation occurs over a period of time [ok speciation is longer but you get the drift..].

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Indian food is unfulfilling and sets your guts on fire. :yukh:

In the UK Pakistani, Bengali or recently invented English (chicken tikka masala etc.) cuisine is usually passed off as Indian.

I prefer Pakistani cusine, food is not food without meat. Our Paki food varies from region to region, in some places we use more herbs compared to spices, in others it is vice versa but it’s used sensibly. Indian cuisine has that horrible distinct uncooked “Heeng” and “Zeera” smell, we use Zeera but only in dishes which it goes in and in sensible quatities, Indian cuisine is just every spice they can get their hands on thrown into a pot of veg, they even put spices in tea. :yukh:

In a lot of places Paki cuisine has more in common with Central Asian or Middle Eastern cuisine, if there’s simialrities with India it’s because a lot of food was introduced to India by foreign Muslims (naan, samosa, kebab, pilaow etc.).

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Agree with your post. I would get sick of eatng at Indian resturan full of ‘Haldi’ and ‘heeng’.. they have no concept whatspoever cooking meat dish.

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^^and this guy then comes and tell that pakis go to indian restaurants and indians dont come to paki restaurants because they hate pakis. Next time dont come to indian restaurants. FO.

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and this thread starter also doesn't have any other work. tonnes of material u find in google, copy and paste it and then watch how others do tu tu main main.

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Same can be said about Paki Restaurants…many Indians avoid visiting Paki restaurants because of “cleanliness” issue.

Btw…haven’t known any dish containing “heeng” served in Indian restaurant in present time :halo: .

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Cleanliness? A bit rich coming from Indians.

If you consider us unclean for being Maleech (non-Hindu) then that's understandable but Indians are in no position to preach about cleanliness, you guys drink milk out of the same utensils as RATS, smear your houses with cow poo and sprinkle urine on laddoos (sweets).

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another inane discussion.

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1- Many Pakistani (excluding myself) go to Indian resturants only for couple of reasons…
1- Availability
2-They do not care as compared to Indians who owns the resturant.

Cleanliness issue is absurd since Pakistani have excellent resturants and are even obcessed in preparing and cooking meal in clean environment.

You need to be educated of south eastern food and please ask someone who would know.

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A lot of Indians do not visit a Pakistani place because it may have used the same utensils for cooking beef.

I think it's this perception, which associates a pakistani place being ' unclean'.