Re: Indian Air Force to lose Air superiority to Pakistan (Merged)
that is Ok we must appreciate
But criticism must be objective not blanket criticism. Remember in Technology transfer India is far better than us. even the F-16's we are buying will be overhauled somewhere else however India is considering licensed production of F-18 which is a superior aircraft. similarly i know about tanks, telecomm equipment. vehicles etc. They never only buy the equipment but go for tecnology transfer while we go for only purchase and repent later on. Yes their research organizations are equally lazy like ours but are we producing better stuff?
Take Alkhalid, how many tanks delivered so far, why Pak army inducting T-80UD if Alkhalid is so good a tank. what is the current status of JF-17? Has any one ever disclosed that how much money we wasted in these reseraches? we have NESCOM which i believe is equally lethargic like DRDO of India. what they have to their credit, few missiles blatantly copied from North Korean designs or chinese for that matter. How much we are spending on these organizations any idea?
We pakistanis shall only progress in the world if we learn from our mistakes and be objective in appreciation and criticism, not guided by our emotions.
Re: Indian Air Force to lose Air superiority to Pakistan (Merged)
Technolog transfer isnt offered to everyone as far as I know… The Americans arent generous enough.. India is a different story all together.. Its a country that Americans would like to turn into the next Israel, so..
And fact is fact, the Pakistanis have made a superior tank, and one of the main reasons, and many would agree, is that those making decisions regarding Pak defense ar those who should be making the dicision, Pakistan does not have to deal with the politicians and beaurocrats of India.
And perhaps another reason why we have exceled in acquiring better military equipment, atleast for now, is that we have to be practical. Ours is solely for defensive purposes. Indians have room and luxury to be able to experiment, and be fanciful, and idealistic.
But again, despite the questionable nature of many of Pakistans defense acquirements, Pakistan has still done well for itself. The PAF kept her F16 running despite the lack of spare parts from the US, and we have continued to have a top notch training program which could probably beat the pants of any Indian pilot.
Its a well known fact that Indias superiority lies only in numbers and not in quality. Admiting that fact isnt a sin.
Re: Indian Air Force to lose Air superiority to Pakistan (Merged)
I do not want to hurt your sentiments and by no means i am a stereotype army basher, however this quality and quantity debate can best be decided on ground.Do we have history to prove this quality vs quantity debate?
Re: Indian Air Force to lose Air superiority to Pakistan (Merged)
As far as I know, we also have much better trainer aircraft, and also a our f16 fleet is obviously far superior to the Migs.
Lahore campaign seems to be good evidence, although this can be questioned, it does show that despite supperior numbers, Pakistan was able succesfully hold back Indian invasion. It is also well known that during the 1965 war Pak Ariforce was able to inflict much damage on the Indians…
Beyond the 1971 war, India really hasnt hurt Pakistan in a major way. Infact, Pakistan has done well for itself considering India is ten times the size.
All this can change, India’s main tactic has always been superiority in numbers and they will likely try to increase those numbers. Pakistan on the other hand, has always laid a huge emphasis on the quaity of men it produces.
Re: Indian Air Force to lose Air superiority to Pakistan (Merged)
Please you are quoting one sided history.
Apart from 1971 which was a total defeat (not because of quality of manpower but generals only). 1965 was a stalemate by most observations but had hurt Pakistan much much more than India. India has 5 times more land captured than us & Lesser tank casualities than us (These two out of many are basic parameters of gauaging the efficiency). yes our artillery was good but so was theirs. In 1971 their navy completely outclassed our navy and destroyed three ships without any casuality of their own. Our Dwarka raid was a useless operation while their trident et all were brilliant. Our airborne operation failed in 1965 with the leader captured while their Taganil airdrop was the reason we surrendered. i mean we have Hilli to our credit so do they battle of tololings and asal uttar. It is a fallacy to think that we are trained superiorly. I think that both armies are similar in training but only our generals are generally more busy in other things than warfare so we suffer on ground. In Hilli the Brigade Commander always used to stand with the troops and we produced the best heroics.
Our trainer aircraft may be better but F-16 block A/B type held with pakistan army are no better than long range SU-30. Also for quality of pilots, i have no history to prove otherwise so may be possible.