Indian air force gets Awacs plane

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Finally ! Its about time India upgraded air surveillance capabilities.

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BBC NEWS | South Asia | Indian air force gets Awacs plane

India has officially taken delivery of an Awacs early-warning surveillance aircraft, part of a $1bn (£600m) defence deal with Israel. The plane, Russian-made but packed with Israeli radar, is expected to reinforce India’s maritime security following the attacks on Mumbai last year.

Only a few non-Nato countries have Awacs and critics say it is a bad omen for the arms race in South Asia.
India has ordered another two AWACS as it upgrades its military capabilities.
The Ilyushin-76 - which arrived in India on Monday - gives India the capability to track hundreds of aircraft and potential threats at sea and on the ground, at considerable distances.

India is the first country in South Asia to own an Awacs (Airborne Warning and Control System) plane, popularly nicknamed the “eye in the sky”. The second and third aircraft are expected to be handed over next year.

Analysts say the purchase, part of a 2004 deal involving India, Israel and Russia, is part of India’s efforts to achieve air dominance over its rival, Pakistan. Russia and Israel are India’s two largest military suppliers.
India’s defence procurement is expected to rise to about $100bn over the next ten years.

Delhi recently signed contracts with Israel for medium range surface-to-air missiles, and with Russia for the design and development of fighter aircraft.
Other foreign defence companies, including those from the Americas, Europe and Asia, are also lining up to do business with India.

Indian Defence Minister AK Antony, who attended the Awacs handing-over ceremony at Jamnagar air base, complained about the late delivery of defence equipment ordered by India from a number of countries.

He pointed out that the Awacs should have been delivered 18 months ago.

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… I think Pakistan already have SAAB2000 Pakistan Air Force - Wikipedia

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^ I believe they just have the training aircraft, not the one equipped with the Erieye radar.

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We will counter India’s AWACS with 500 US missiles: Pak - India - The Times of India

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has voiced concern over the acquisition of Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) aircraft by India and said it would counter the threat by inducting 500 American Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles.

Claiming that induction of AWACS by India would trigger a new arms race in the subcontinent, Pakistan’s Air chief Air Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said Islamabad would match this capability by acquiring its own AWACS by September this year.

This, when a US Congressional report has said that Pakistan with about 60 nuclear warheads; primarily targeted towards India, is continuing production of fissile material for weapons and adding to its weapons production facilities and delivery vehicles.

The Air chief told newsmen in Risalpur that Pakistan was also procuring more US-made F-16 fighter aircraft.

Suleman was commenting on reports that India had inducted the first of its three Phalcon AWACS into the Indian Air Force.

Pakistan is proposing to buy a Swedish SAAB Ericsson AWACS, which however, have a limited range as compared to the Phalcons.

The Air Chief said PAF was supporting the military in its ongoing operations in Swat and Malakand in NWFP. “PAF had destroyed several Taliban hideouts and caches of ammunition to pave the way for rapid advance by ground forces in Swat.”

Asked about whether Pakistan had capability to shoot down drones, Suleman said “definitely” and cited the shooting down of an Indian surveillance plane in 2002 near Lahore.

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^^^ Erm...as far as i know Saab (equipped with eri-eye) will be introudced in PAF by this mid June. I might be wrong but this is what i heard.

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indian airforce is only a 'chiri maar'

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That was deep.

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Its sufficient for the "chiris" across our western borders...:p

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Pakistan already inducted two Saab2000 Erieye, 3 more are coming next years..
and that’s 500 BVR’s .. we are keeping them too, now call it double game or what.. :slight_smile:

Sweden Finalizes Saab 2000 AEW&C Contract With Pakistan
Source: Sweden Finalizes Saab 2000 AEW&C Contract With Pakistan

In June 2006, Saab signed a SEK 8.3 billion provisional contract to supply S100B Argus turboprop airborne early warning (AEW&C) systems to Pakistan. According to earlier reports at Pakistani Defence, Pakistan aimed to buy 14 SAAB 2000 aircraft from Sweden: 7 for the PAF’s AEW&C role as Argus aircraft, and the remaining 7 for the state-owned PIA airline. Saab releases, however, have made no mention of a passenger version.The Saab aircraft beat a number of other competitors, including Bombardier’s Dash-8/Q200 and US offers to sell the E-2C Hawkeye system. The Argus AEW&C award also caps a 25-year quest by the Pakistani Air force. The buy was recently reduced somewhat for financial reasons to 5 aircraft, but the first plane has now been rolled out….

In “SAAB 2000 & ERIEYE AWE&C system,”a Pakistani government site explains the operational need for these aircraft, and chronicles their pursuit of the 707-based E-3C AWACS aircraft and related systems since 1979. Indeed, Pakistan had pursued the Erieye system before, but had been rejected several times under Sweden’s military export policies. With that roadblock clear, Pakistan has engaged in long negotiations with Saab that have finally come to fruition. With respect to the new aircraft’s radar capabilities, the article notes that:

“The Ericsson PS-890 Erieye radar uses an active array with 200 solid state modules. The range of the S-band, 3 GHz, and side looking radar is 300 km. The 1,985-lb (900-kg) dorsal antenna is housed in a 29-ft 6.3-in (9-m) long box radome mounted atop the fuselage. Utilizing adaptive side lobe suppression, the look angle on each side is about 160 degrees. From its standard operational altitude of 6000 metres (19,685 feet, or FL200) the radar has a maximum range of 450 km (279 miles). Against a fighter-sized target effective range is approximately 330 km (205 miles). Seaborne targets can be detected at 320 km (198 miles), though this is a function of the aircraft’s cruising height. The electronically scanned antenna can scan sectors of interest frequently while others are monitored, and a single sector can be scanned in different modes at the same time.”

That last bit is a reference to the AESA radar’s ability to scan ground and air activity at the same time, rather than switching between these modes as conventional radars do. An Australian airpower article explains the potential benefits of AESA radars against other AEW&C offerings like the E-2C Hawkeye – and also notes the limitations of the S100B/Erieye system:

“The limitation of the two sided array is that it can only cover two 120 degree sectors abeam of the aircraft, leaving 60 degree blind sectors over the nose and tail of the aircraft, and reduced antenna performance from 45 degrees off the beam aspect. Another limitation stems from the use of an airframe too small to accommodate a comprehensive self contained command, control and communications system, and other sensors such as a capable ESM and track association system.”

Saab’s corporate release notes that “two third of the order value is for Saab and one third for Ericsson Microwave Systems [for the PS-890 Erieye radars], witch is, after the Saab acquisition, expected to be a part of Saab in September 2006.” DID recently covered that acquisition.

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^ It does not say that 2 aircraft have already been inducted. Am I missing something ?

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^ Genius article is 2 years old !

But you do know about 500 BVR's .. inheritance, and we didn't forget about PC-3 Orion incident which Indian Air force cowardly take down :)

So in coming years, if an Indian AWAC goes down suddenly, you don't have to look somewhere else, it will be us !

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So what are you trying to prove by posting a 2 year old article ? :konfused:

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that we already ordered for AWAC’s before Indians wake up and smelled the coffee !

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I don't think that was ever in dispute :)

The point being discussed was whether -

  1. Pak already had AWACS or
  2. would get them before India did.

The answer to the first question is NO, since all Pak has is a trainer aircraft :p

I am yet to see something concrete that can prove point # 2.

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Maybe this helps… :slight_smile:

Pakistan gets Swedish early warning aircraft
Source: Pakistan gets Swedish early warning aircraft_English_Xinhua
Article date: 2008-04-03 19:35:05

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Thursday got first of the five airborne early warning and control system aircraft it ordered from the Swedish Saab, according to a PAF statement.

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You missed a crucial part of the article...:)

[QUOTE]
The aircraft will be put through trials before being delivered to the PAF in 2009, according to officials.
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Maybe this will help :stuck_out_tongue:

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Pak to acquire its own AWACS by October: PAF Chief

Islamabad, May 29 (ANI): The Air Warning and Control System (AWACS) and the spying satellite acquired by India recently has bolstered the Indian defense system, and as expected, Pakistan is worried by the Indian ‘eye in the sky’.
Pakistan Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman has stated that Pakistan would also acquire an Air Warning and Control System (AWACS) by October.
Suleman said India has created an “imbalance in the power” in the region, so it was important for Pakistan to balance the situation by acquiring its own early warning systems,The Daily Times reports.
Addressing a graduation ceremony at Risalpur Academy, Suleman also disclosed that during the Indo-Pak standoff in 2001-02, the Pakistan Air Force had shot down an Indian drone which had violated Pakistan’s air territory.
India’s most potent force multiplier, Phalcon AWACS, is capable of tracking down incoming missiles. The all weather system is also capable of engaging 60 targets simultaneously and has a range of 400 km.
It has a radar that can help detect cruise missiles or aircrafts at ranges much beyond the capabilities of present systems. It can also collate information about troop movements and missile launches on ground and even intercept highly secured communication networks of the enemy.
India would acquire two more AWACS by the end of the next year. (ANI)

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^ theindian.com yeh i got it !

what does the Urdu word "yum" [یم] mean?
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2009 ? and this year is 2009 or 2012 ?

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Your own PAF chief says they will get it by October 2009.

:konfused: What part do you not get ?

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^ He talks about other three, ;)