India’s Agni-III ballistic missile test-fire fails (merged)

NEW DELHI: Hindustan on Sunday test-fired its nuclear-capable Agni-III intermediary range ballistic missile (IRBM) that is capable of reaching targets as far as China, but the test was failed, defence sources and analysts said.

The test of the Agni-III missile took place from Wheeler Island at 11.03 IST Sunday, 180 kilometres (111.6 miles) northeast of Bhubaneswar, capital of Hindustan’s eastern Orissa state.

The missile rose to some 12 km before plunging into the Bay of Bengal about 1,000 km from the launch site - 2,000 km short of its intended target, defence sources said.

This was apparently due to a design defect as the second stage failed to separate, the sources added.

The News International

What stupid Hindustani joke.

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:Salute:IT HAPPENS ONLY IN INDIA :Salute:

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It is called "test-fire" for a reason.
You learn from your mistakes, making a better product.
Maybe in Pakistan, you make products that are perfect each and everytime. Wait....you guys don't make missiles...You make 3rd grade North Korean ones.

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Common, translating Russkie mauals is not an easy task, give some credit.

Agni-III failure shows incompetence: Samar

Agni-III failure shows incompetence: Samar

By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir

ISLAMABAD: Agni-III failure is a great setback to the Hindustani missile programme and New Delhi will have to revert to the drawing board for developing the missile of the class that’s test was aborted on Sunday.

Pakistan’s eminent scientists and Chairman National Engineering and Science Commission (Nescom) Dr Samar Mubarikmund told The News here on Sunday that the circumstances being narrated by the Hindustanis for the failure of their missile test are not acceptable because the Hindustani missile met a disaster as it could not attain the altitude where the first stage is over or the second is even ignited.

When his attention was drawn to the Hindustani explanation for the failure of the test that the missile attained the height of 12 kilometres and it was in the second stage when it perished, Dr Samar disputed the claim and said that with the range of 3,500 km, the missile had to go above about 800-900 kms while the second stage had to be ignited at 28 to 30 kms. If the missile was fallen from the height of 12 km, it establishes that either it’s motor rocket, the basics of the missile proved failure or the guidance and control system was faulty. In both the probabilities, Hindustani technology has been exposed in clumsy manners.

Responding to a question about the Hindustani attribution of ‘design failure’, Dr Samar said it means that Hindustanis will have to go back to the drawing stage and if they do not borrow “something” from abroad, they will take another two to three years to once again reach the stage where they were just before the launch on Sunday.

It is interesting to watch that Hindustani missile programme that was initiated by French and US assistance and later New Delhi also borrowed Russian technical support has been facing tragedies from the beginning.

Israel is actively collaborating with Hindustanis who have mastered in the technology but somehow Hindustanis have miserably failed in clicking in it. It was Hindustan’s Agni’s third successive failure and in each case it was medium or long range. Agni is Hindi-Sanskrit word means ‘fire’.

With the repeat of Agni failure now Hindustan is left with tested ‘Pirthavi’ missiles that has the range of 150 to 200 km. Hindustanis have been claiming that they have started the serial production of Pirthavi but incidentally on January 26 last year on the Hindustani Republic day, Hindustanis attempted to test fire the Pirthavi to celebrate the day but the missile was burst into pieces at the launching venue and it spread fire there. Agni-I was launched for the range of 900 km but it landed 200 km short of the target while the Agni-II fell half the way.

Hindustani Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh soon after assuming the office claimed that Hindustan was not interested in carrying out long-range missile test because it enjoys good relations with Pakistan and China both. “In fact he attained high moral ground for his country just to provide cover to constant failures of his country’s scientists engaged in developing long-range missiles and they were hesitating from testing the missile,” the sources said.

The News International

Booooo. That is just shameless.

Maybe the stupid Hindustanis should wear a bag over their head or beg Pakistan for some missile tech in order to save face!

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LMAO on the next day indian SLV with a satelite decides to pop. Dont buy russian fakes.

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All the brags from Hindustan comes out to be only pooh pooh.........lol

Shame on you Hindustanis for trying to compare your obsolete tech with far far superior Pak Tech.

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yeah.....we indians are soooooooo.... ashamed to compare our obsolete tech with yours supeeeerior tech:D

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Where's Pakistan's missiles?

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^^
Some examples of Pakistan Missiles test firing (seems quite impressive) :alhamd: :):

**Ghaznavi Missile (Hatf-3) Test-1:**Test firing of Hatf-3, missile has a range of 290+ km

** Abdali Missile (Hatf-2) Test: **Test firing of Hatf-2, missile has a range of 190+ km

**Ghaznavi Missile (Hatf-3) Test-2:**Second Test firing of Hatf-3, missile has a range of 290+ km
**
Shaheen-2 Missile (Hatf-6) Test:**Test of Shaheen-2 ballistic missile, missile has a range of 2,500+ km

PAF Mirage Fires HAFAR-2 Missile:

**Babur Cruise Missile (Hatf-7) Test:Test firing of Babur cruise missile, with a range of 500+ km [It is long video but quite interesting as later part of the video explains this missile and how it works and difference between cruise missiles and other missiles].
**
Shaheen-2 Missile (Hatf-6) May 1st Test:
Test Fire of Shaheen-2 ballistic missile

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^MashAllah nice list.Add to it Pakistani missiles use terminal guidance while India's missile use inertia guidance.It makes our missiles more accurate and China and USA also use this technique.

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Dr. Samar is the real brains behind Pakistan’s nuclear program, not Mr. Smuggler Khan. This guy worked hard and was the reason why Pakistna was about to carry out those tests in nawaz’s era, while KRL wasnt even included in the task force first, but then Smuggler started crying. I am very proud of Dr. Samar Mubarak, hes an icon!

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not true. check this out

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/q0187.shtml
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/india/missile/agni.htm

The Agni-II uses a solid propellant second stage replacing the liquid propellant Prithvi short range missile used as upper stage of the Agni-I. It can be launched within 15 minutes as compared to almost half a day of preparation for the earlier version of the Agni. Another major development is a highly mobile platform for it to be transported secretly by rail or road anywhere in the country. The far more accurate terminal navigation and guidance system that the Agni II incorporates, which constantly updates information about the missile flight path using ground-based beacons, improved accuracy by a factor of at least three over that of the Agni-I.

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and moreover

**Patron Lt Gen (Retd) SARDAR FS LODI **
goes over the whole gamut of the advent of missile technology in Pakistan

The testing of Hatf V (Ghauri) missile is the result of the dedication, hard work and single minded devotion to a cause displayed by our scientists and engineers working on the research and development of missile technology. Initially Hatf I was developed with a range of 80 kilometers and a payload of 500 kgs. Efforts continued to improve its performance, resulting in Hatf II with an enhanced range of 250 kms and the same payload of 500 kgs. Both were free flight missiles with inertial guidance systems following a ballistic trajectory.

http://www.defencejournal.com/may98/pakmissiletech.htm

and pakistan has not disclosed what guidance system they are be using for ghauri II or III (as far as i know)

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Subhan'Allah, Nice Videos brother Sa1eem.

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Ssingh those sources you have provided are very out of date esp the last one.It speaks about missile tech back in 1998.This is the year 2006 and missile tech has come a long way in this time, especially after the US and west sanctions have been lifted.The hatf has a range of at least 500km and shaheen starts from at least 600.India has alot of misconceptions about pakistan's missile system.I myself read on bharat rakshak forum, the numbers they have about pakistani missiles are very low.

Coming back to the guidance sytems I would say sources differ from each other.Do you really think a communism-loving country like India will get missile tech of US nature or missile tech support from its second enemy China?.India's only option is to go with Russia therefore in terms of missiles India still uses intertia guidance.

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first of all i dont expect you guys(pakistanis) telling that indians are capable of doing anything. I myself say india is not capable of doing ‘everything’. It has to rely on others. But there are certain things which india did make it on its own.

India is not a communism loving country. Just because it was inclined towards communist block(USSR) in cold war, it doesn’t mean that it is communist loving. You wouldn’t have said this if you were familiar with the political situation over here.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/slbm/r-27.htm

check this link out, russia using terminal guidance system for its R-27K missile and india also uses terminal guidance system for agni II

and yes those sources are old. which guidance system being used is not a big secret for pakistan to hide…if you know you can bring it here.

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Salam,
In addition to what you have rightly said, please see the following:

Reference in honor of late Munir Ahmad Khan held:
This was in 2004.

ISLAMABAD: At a reference held in Islamabad Wednesday evening glowing tributes were paid to late Munir Ahmad Khan former Chairman of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission who died four years ago in Vienna from cardiac complications.

Dr. Samar Mubarakmand Chairman of the newly created strategic production complex, Dr. N.M. Butt scientist emeritus at the PAEC and Farhatullah Babar spokesman of the Pakistan Peoples Party addressed the reference meeting held under the auspices of the Islamabad chapter of the Ravians Association.
A large number of former Ravians, as the old students of the Government College Lahore are called, attended the function held in the memory of a fellow Ravian.

*Dr. Samar Mubarkmand recalled how late Munir Ahmad Khan nurtured, guided and inspired his younger colleagues in the implementation of the nuclear programme ranging from uranium prospect ion, mining, making of uranium gas, fabrication of nuclear fuel, to the making of the nuclear device and to the selection and development of test sites in the Chaghai mountains in Baluchistan so that when the time came the actual blast could be carried out at a short notice. *

*He said that Pakistan's nuclear capability was confirmed the day in 1983 when the PAEC carried out cold nuclear tests under the guidance and stewardship of late Munir Ahmad Khan. The tests however, were not publicly announced because of the international environment of stiff sanctions against countries, which sought to acquire nuclear capability. *

Fifteen years after the development of Chagahi sites and cold nuclear tests it fell to the luck of Dr. Samar to lead the PAEC team, which blasted the bomb five years ago.

"*Munir Khan was both a visionary and a doer who planned goals and targets at least ten to fifteen years in advance and then set out in all earnestness to achieve those goals". *

Dr. Samar said that the initial work for the setting up of the Kahuta enrichment plant was also carried out under the stewardship of late Munir Ahmad Khan who selected its site and put in place the basic infrastructure of manpower, machines and materials for it.

*He said that as many as nineteen steps were involved in the making of a nuclear weapon ranging from exploration of uranium to the finished device and its trigger mechanism. *

*Dr. Samar Mubarkamand said that the technological and manpower infrastructure for eighteen out of these nineteen steps were provided by the PAEC under the leadership of Munir Ahmad Khan who led it for nearly two decades from 1971 to 1991. Today all the major key scientific organizations linked to the country's security like the PAEC, the Kahuta Research Labs and the strategic production complex were run and operated by Pakistani professionals produced by the policies of the Commission both under him and Dr. Usmani of producing indigenous trained manpower, he said. *

*Late Munir Ahmad Khan was however kept most secret the achievements of the Commission as he thought that publicity would damage the programme. After his retirement Munir Khan however realized that it was not wise to keep a very low profile as it pushed into oblivion many of those who helped make Pakistan nuclear, he said. *

Scientist emeritus Dr. N.M. Butt said that late Munir Khan was also greatly respected in the international nuclear community. That was why even after his retirement from the Commission he was invited to international meetings on issues of nuclear diplomacy and kept visiting world capitals for this purpose.
Dr. Butt who retired several years ago as the head of premier nuclear research center called PINSTECH near Islamabad is now scientist emeritus at the same institute.

N.M. Butt said that Munir Khan worked quietly away from the glare of publicity and projection and within the parameters of rules and regulations. He also quoted from the writings and speeches of important state functionaries who had worked closely with Khan on the nuclear policy and issues testifying to the impeccable integrity of the former chairman of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission.

Dr. Butt said it was time that a full account of the PAEC's achievements and the role played by Munir Ahmad Khan was documented and made public for the benefit of the posterity.

Farhatullah Babar said that Munir Ahmad Khan played several roles in life ranging from as Chairman of the PAEC, to the informal spokesman of the third world for acquisition of nuclear technology, to the unofficial advisor ship to the government of Pakistan on science and technology and as the first president of the Ravians Islamabad which honorary office he held for nearly quarter of a century till his death.

"In all these roles, Munir Khan has been succeeded but in none has he been replaced because he was simply irreplaceable", he said.

S. Bashiruddin Mahmood the first project director of the Kahuta research laboratories and the person credited in press reports to be behind the building of indigenous nuclear reactor also attended the reference meeting.
Known to friends as SBM, Bashir last year underwent severe grueling at the hands of American and Pakistani security agencies investigating whether Osama Bin Laden had acquired nuclear weapons through clandestine means before he was finally acquitted with indelible emotional scars. Professor Dr. Ijaz H. Khawaja of the International Islamic University and Secretary General of the Ravians conducted the proceedings.

Please also see the May, 2006 Issue of Defence Journal.

Pakistan's missile program was also launched by the PAEC in 1989 with the acquistion of the M-11 missiles. Then came then vision of NDC in 1990 which was eventually established in 1993 for developing solid fueled missile technology in Pakistan.

Regards.

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I said India is communism-loving not because it was sided with USSR, I said it because it is a seculiar state, religion means nothing! when it should.I am familiar with the political situation over there, you put a Sikh as prime minster and a Muslim as president but the hands guiding them are hindu.Even today if there were anti-muslim or anti-sikh riots in India then those two would not be able to do a thing simple because baniyas are not interested in solving.

Your missiles by DRDO only Agni is under production the rest are failures.

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I have posted some news about Agni-II in the "INSAT satellite failure".It is by an Indian source and very recent.That topic is just under this one.Just like us Pakistanis will refrain from telling india's missiles are uncapable, you Indians will keep ranting about DRDO when in reality it is a complete failure whithin itself.With FAILED projects like insas, t-90s, LCA and now the Agni.Man I feel good sometimes that DRDO is a friend of Pakistan.