India votes against, Pakistan for Sri Lanka at UNHRC

India is concern about genocides? Really? What about 200k Kashmiris killed by your army?

India votes against, Pakistan for Sri Lanka at UNHRC - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: In a bid to placate departing ally, DMK, the UPA government played out a farce at the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC), whereby India moved seven amendments to a US-sponsored resolution against Sri Lanka, and all of which were duly rejected by the US. In the end, India voted in favour of the final draft resolution that had been watered down, largely due to New Delhi’s own efforts.

Pakistan voted against the resolution. Supporting Sri Lanka, the Pakistani envoy said they sympathized with Colombo which had “faced terrorism, funded and armed from abroad”. It was a thinly-veiled attack on India, which frequently attacks Pakistan for cross-border terrorism into India.

On Wednesday, as the government struggled to keep DMK back and save the UPA, it had ordered ministry of foreign affairs to move seven amendments against Lanka along with the US and other sponsors. This came out of a meeting between PM, external affairs minister Salman Khurshid, finance minister P Chidambaram, national security advisor ( NSA) Shivshankar Menon, foreign secretary Ranjan Mathai and India’s permanent representative to UN Dilip Sinha. These amendments were tough enough that would have ensured a serious downturn in Indo-Lankan ties.

These written amendments were rejected by the US and other sponsors, on the grounds that a tighter resolution would reduce the number of supporters for the resolution. Incidentally, the initial draft of the resolution took a tough line against Lanka. It needed a lot of quiet negotiations by Indian officials to water down the text of the resolution to make it reasonably acceptable to both New Delhi and Colombo.

For India to attempt to amend the resolution yet again, for domestic political considerations, is a new low in New Delhi’s foreign policy.

Not content with the US rejection, the government then ordered that India move an oral amendment at the UNHRC on Thursday morning. On Wednesday night, Opposition parties had refused to accede to a government move to pass a parliamentary resolution against Lanka. That reduced the need for an oral amendment, particularly since India risked getting isolated in the Council, since it was unlikely that other sponsors would back the resolution.

In the end, India voted for the resolution that had been revised only a couple of days earlier. The resolution went through with 25 votes in favour (one more than last year), 13 against, eight abstentions and Gabon, which was absent. The countries that stood with Sri Lanka included eight Asian nations, two from Latin America and three from Africa.

In a swift reaction, Lankan government announced it would take back some of the tanks from the Indian Oil Corporation’s strategic reserve facility in Trincomalee. Lankan information minister Keheliya Rambukwella on Thursday announced plans to retake unutilized tanks from Lanka IOC.

In its intervention at the UNHRC, Indian envoy, Dilip Sinha said India “… call on Sri Lanka to move forward on its public commitments, including on the devolution of political authority through full implementation of the 13th Amendment.” In its strongest stricture to Colombo yet, Sinha said, “We urge Sri Lanka to take forward measures to ensure accountability. We expect these measures to be to the satisfaction of the international community.” For those who follow texts carefully, this was a stronger formulation than an “independent investigation” but weaker than an “international” investigation.

On Thursday, India risked close ties with a next-door neighbour, and may have pushed Colombo further into the arms of China.

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200k kashmiris killed? if we are making up numbers let’s just call it 500k. or perhaps 1 million…that has a nice ring to it.

as for this vote, anyone who has seen the channel 4 documentaries knows that it was an outright moral obligation to vote for this resolution especially after it was watered down dramatically. you have serious problems if your view on the slaughter of thousands of unarmed tamil civilians is dictated by your hatred for india.

what does kashmir have to do with this?..it is for the rest of the world to sponsor and vote for resolution against india if they feel its conduct in kashmir warrants it. by this logic pakistan would be disqualified from voting on any human rights resolution for all eternity after its genocide in bangladesh. same goes for issuing comments on kashmir.

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^ why are Indians so concerned about plight of Tamils in Srilanka when they don't care about the treatment of fellow Kashmiris? Double standards?

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Frankly I don't give a damn what happens to our govt., they are all corrupt just like PML-N & the rest.

For sure they did some atrocious stuff to the Tamil ppl, and so did the LTTE...poor innocent ppl always suffer in a war. Funny how the whole world supported LTTE as freedom fighters before 9/11, India will always be concerned about the Tamil ppl of SL coz of Tamil Nadu.

Also funny how the UN has nothing to say about the drone attacks that US of A is conducting in Afghanistan and Pak, killing innocent ppl, and Israel "Defending" itself....so it is all ok for them, but the rest should just curl up and die!

UN is nothing but a PUPPET!

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unfortunately indians are not concerned at all. it is only indian tamils in Tamil Nadu that care. in any case, why are you so upset about concern for sri lankan tamils? more importantly, why aren't you concerned?

as for kashmir, indians are not concerned about human rights violations because they have been at near-zero levels for many years. these days when there is any incident at all it is a national story. currently the problem in kashmir is violation of civil liberties not human rights. indians aren't concerned because they see it as a necessary evil. even when human rights violations were a regular occurrence at the height of the insurgency there was nothing comparable to the conduct of the sri lankan army in the final days of conflict in SL (almost comparable to pakistani army in bangladesh).

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I don't get this logic. All decent people everywhere should care for the plight of innocent civilians.

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Report lists 214 human rights violation in Indian Kashmir – The Express Tribune

http://www.jkccs.net/sites/default/files/alleged%20Perpetrators%20report%20IPTK-APDP.pdf

India Ignoring Rights Abuses In Kashmir: Report

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/06/indian-soldiers-report-kashmir-abuses

Yes. Nothing to be concerned about. :chai:

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LMAO

Are you delusional?

Someone show him the documentary BBC just did in Kashmir, makes even Palestine look more free!

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I guess one can ask the same of Pakistan (or Pakistanis - as some have used India and Indians interchangeably) - how come they are concerned about human rights violations in Kashmir, but not Sri Lanka?

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please improve your reading skills before replying. first read my post again then read your links and the dates they reference. i am talking about the current context. militancy and human rights violations are highly correlated…both have declined dramatically since the early 2000s. it is now 2013 and human rights violations have become infrequent. this is a simple fact. the criticism has shifted from human rights to civil liberties.

by the way this is a thread about the recent resolution on sri lanka. just in case you were not aware.

please join diwana for reading lessons. if there is a comment i made that you disagree with, please identify it specifically and then provide a credible reply.

please also feel free to comment on the actual topic of this thread.

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http://www.thecommentfactory.com/indias-brutality-has-turned-kashmir-into-a-living-hell-3472/
August 29th 2010

This is the first time in weeks I have had access to the internet. I have not been allowed to receive or send text messages for three months. Just like all Kashmiris my telephone has been barred from such contact. **The local news channels have been banned. India controls everything here. And then kills it. **The situation is horrific. Over these months of food rationing and persistent curfew whereby all is closed and the streets totally deserted in utter silence, suddenly a protest arises and then spreads throughout the whole city in a surge of frustrated and famished rioters shouting ‘AZADI AZADI AZADI’ (freedom) until it dissipates suddenly into a cacophony of gunshots and clouds of teargas.

I observe all this going on at a safe remove of only one metre by a big thick brick wall interrupted by the Mevlana Rumi gate to Kashmir University, where I am residing. I see through the iron bars hordes upon hordes of protesters being shot at randomly, and I stand there repellently incapable of doing anything. An endless cycle of silence and violence. The Indian army own total control and freedom to shoot at will, to shoot to kill, anyone whom they choose to.

Last week a seven-year-old child was beaten to death. You cannot accidentally beat a seven-year-old to death. It is not like a bullet that goes astray. I cannot see how a stone thrown by a seven-year-old child can do sufficient damage to any man to warrant his being beaten to death. Children in this part of the world are tiny. A seven-year-old is the size of a three-year-old westerner. So what kind of person beats a tiny child to death when his stone throw must carry so little force that it barely deserves a shrug? This is such a common occurrence here.

PressTV - Indian army brutally suppressing Kashmir uprising: Inayatullah Andrabi
Jan 22, 2013
**An analyst says the army is turning Indian- administered Kashmir into the most heavily militarized region and brutally supressing the ongoing uprising across the disputed valley. **
The comments come as people in the Muslim-majority region have marked the 23th anniversary of the Gaw Kadal Massacre of more than 50 Kashmiri civilians by Indian forces in 1990, demanding the prosecution of security forces involved in the killings.

Indian brutality, killings in Kashmir continue, Waseem Shehzad, Crescent Magazine

On June 11, 2010 this 7 years old was killed.

Indian brutality in Kashmir
What is the situation on ground can be visualized from a news report that says, “The situation in Kashmir is worsening with each day passing. The local and international media is already blocked from covering the ongoing events in Srinagar and elsewhere in Occupied Kashmir. Despite the protests by Kashmiri Journalists, no newspaper is allowed to publish today in Occupied Kashmir. Restrictions on mobile messaging and access to Internet are also imposed in many areas.” Curfew is imposed in most cities of Valley and Muslim dominated areas of the Jammu province.

The state of Human Rights violations in the Indian Occupied Kashmir can be imagined from this factual report, which says that, there have been 93,274 deaths of the innocent Kashmiri** from 1989 to June 30, 2010. **

Besides this alarming figure of open killings by its security forces, there have been 6,969 custodial killings, 117,345 arrests, destruction, and razing of 105,861 houses and other physical structures in the use of the community as a whole.
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The brutal security forces have orphaned over 107, 351 children, widowed 22,728 women and gang raped 9,920 women and young girls. In June 2010 only, there have been over 40 deaths including four children besides, torturing and injuring 572 people.** The brutal Indian security forces molested eight women during this one month. By committing this much human rights violations so far, India is trumpeting its success in the Kashmir, which indeed, is the real cause of fresh uprisings.


Yes. If no media will be allowed then that means no further crimes against humanity. :wink:

If you cared to read OP, the question was posed to India about Kashmir!

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But Southie will either be quiet or will like the posts as usual............ selectively. :D

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LOL. So you're asking me to spoon feed my reply to you?

Or is your memory very short term that you do not remember what you wrote? Here let me refresh it:

''*as for kashmir, indians are not concerned about human rights violations because they have been at near-zero levels for many years.''
*

Now go and read my reply again.

Or perhaps learn to read properly before telling others to, you make a blatant untrue lying statement, regardless of topic you will be called out on it.

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I sincerely hope you live on planet earth and you are not kidding...

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I noticed you are trying to bait me. You tried it in that Bangladesh thread Also by bringing up my name when I was not interacting with you. Since you bring up my name, I will not be quiet. I have decided never to respond to folks who troll - so yes, I wont be responding to you in the future.

Please do not take my name again. I have no interest in interacting with you now or in the future.

Your response will be ignored. Thank you.

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I know you have called me troll so many times.

I hope you got some education in BD thread.

Thanks for proving me right. You had the choice to not take the so called 'bait' and participate positively. But you did not.

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When would the decent people care about the plight of Kashmiris?

Btw the question that I posed in post 3 is what the Kashmiris are asking now (on social media), and India needs to respond to it. Why selective morality?

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Personally, I care about the human rights violation everywhere, especially of innocent civilians. I support Arundati Roy, who has been outspoken about abuse of Kashmiri civilians. I also support the innocent civilians in Sri Lanka.

The Indian stance may be inconsistent. Equally inconsistent is Pakistan's selective support of Kashmiri civilians while being against the Tamil civilians in Sri Lanka.

Good people everywhere should rise above religious and nationalistic boundaries to speak up against abuse everywhere. And I know you to be a good and decent man.

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What are you talking about????

Pakistan's selective support of Kashmiris? Really?

Kashmir is a disputed territory and Pakistan position on Kashmir is very clear to India.

There is no such equivalency between India and Siri Lanka.

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Since Kashmir was brought up, here is a nice exchange between a Pakistani and an Indian. Both seem solution oriented and honest. The Pakistani perspective first.

Kashmir Conflict - Who is right, India or Pakistan?