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The debate on Cricket rules and sportsmanship in near time by cricket-pundits. Biggest question is, should Indians have appealed for out or not?
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324-4
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Just read about the appeal (never watch opponents bat - tooo much heart ache). If I understood this correctly, ball did not cross boundary, Bell was not aware of it, ball was thrown to stumps and he was run out. Umpire had not signalled a four.
Many times when a batsman misjudges a hit thinking it may go for 4, he may be caught in no man's land, he has to scramble to get to the crease. Same thing here.
Bell's not payiing attention, and the umpire not having declared a 4, ball was live. This, IMO was a legitimate runout.
In my opinion, the England team should not have gone to Dhnoi to get appeal overturned. And Dhoni should not have allowed the overturn. (Unless my understanding of the events is incorrect).
Fielders routine appeal for catches knwoing ball has not fit bat, ot the ball just hot the ground before they made the catch. Till thse things stoe (and I know they won't), such sportsmanship has no place in the game.
Years agao, Gundappa recalled Bob Taylor after Taylor was given caught behind in India. Taylor went on to score a 100.
Umps are there for a reason.Fielders routinely take advantage of that and appeal for outs that they know are not out. Batsmen many times raise their bat even if it has not edged (when LBW appeal). These are the unsporting gestures that should stop first.
So I believe it was corny for England team to apporach Dhoni - he should have shown a backbone.
End rant :(
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But the question is that was Bell running the 4rth Run?
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But the question is that was Bell running the 4rth Run?
Oh I see. You mean he ran 3 runs, and then thought Tea was called - so started walking to pavilon? If that happened, he should not be out. I thought he was stuck in no man's land.
Anyway, England is the better side. Resigning myself to a thumping.....again!
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England 408/6 in the driving seat. The lead has swelled to 341 runs. Prior 57* seems in a hurry
Huge, huge problems for India. 286 is the highest successful runchase at Trent Bridge.
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24/1 overnight >>> 408/6
England on course to scoring 400+ runs in the day. That does not happen very often in tests
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Oh I see. You mean he ran 3 runs, and then thought Tea was called - so started walking to pavilon? If that happened, he should not be out. I thought he was stuck in no man's land.
Anyway, England is the better side. Resigning myself to a thumping.....again!
**in English conditions. **Sides that have good seam/pace attacks (and reasonable batting) can beat England in England
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The turning point for me was yesterday when India's late middle order failed to build advantage over England after that solid partnership between Dravid and Yuvraj. At that stage a lead of 150+/- did not look beyond their reach. But then Dhoni played a wholly irresponsible and careless shot to start the collapse
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Bowling Exposed! yet again. similar to how Pakistan's batting got exposed here.
What's next..Tendulkar, Dhoni to bowl?
Anderson, Broad and Swann..a different league for sure.
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**Bowling Exposed! yet again. similar to how Pakistan's batting got exposed here.
**What's next..Tendulkar, Dhoni to bowl?
Anderson, Broad and Swann..a different league for sure.
Good batting alone won't do in swinging and seaming conditions of England. You do need wicket-taking pace bowlers. Atleast 2-3 good ones
-** True. *Pakistan's recent test victories in England - 1987 (won 1-0), 1992 (won 2-1), 1996 (won 2-0) - were when we had great pace bowlers like Imran and the two W's even though our batting was reasonable rather than formidable back then. Miandad (played in 1987 and 1992) only was world-class. The rest incl. Salim Malik were decent rather than special players
*- in English conditions only. **On sub-continental wickets it's a different ball game altogether. Indian spinners will have more say on the slow pitches
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417 runs came in the day 
Gavaskar was particularly scathing of Dhoni esp. his field placings and the number of boundaries conceded by India today
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India should not have appealed in the first place but it was very classy by Dhoni to call Bell back after tea. :k:
Having said that, England should win this match too.
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Dhoni deserves credit for withdrawing his appeal. :k: That was the right thing to do. I doubt however that Strauss would have done so.
Interesting that Warne was hinting that the Aussies would not have withdrawn their appeal, particularly with Steve Waugh in charge.
What a big surprise! 
If Ponting would have withdrawn the appeal either, I’d have had a heart attack.
Agar ek do decisions aisay aur ho jayein, then cricket will see players walking and less animosity
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There was one instance when India chased doen 400+ to win. Let us see if Tendulkar scores a double century to lead India to historic win.
Yes, GA the Dhoni shot was very careless. Gavaskar, who normally is very astute, praised Dhoni's previous shot I think in same or previous over). That shot was airborne over slips. He said that is characteristic Dhoni.
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I saw both interviews. This is how events unfolded
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*Bell:
*- Admitted that it was naive (read: stupid) of him to not make sure that the ball is dead and umpire has called over.
- PK's action confused him if it was a 4.
- He thought umpire had called over.
Dravid:
- Bell was out by the rules/laws of cricket. No question about it.
- As soon as we got into the dressing room, all of us had a bad feeling about the incident.
- We started discussing about withdrawing the appeal.
- As the discussion was going on, Andy Flower/Strauss came over and 'requested' us to reconsider.
- Dhoni took everybody's input and made the decision to withdraw the appeal in the spirit of the game.
- Dhoni wanted everybody to be behind the decision which they were
[/QUOTE]
Classy interview by Dravid.... just like his batting.. Will try & post the clip later
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There was one instance when India chased doen 400+ to win. Let us see if Tendulkar scores a double century to lead India to historic win.
Yes, GA the Dhoni shot was very careless. Gavaskar, who normally is very astute, praised Dhoni's previous shot I think in same or previous over). That shot was airborne over slips. He said that is characteristic Dhoni.
When did this happen Uncle im not sure ?
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India vs West Indies @ Queens Park Oval, Trinidad, 1976. Gavaskar and Vishwanath made hundreds
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63161.html
**Highest 4th innings totals
**http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/222199.html
Highest 4th innings total to win is West Indies’ 418/7 vs Australia @ St Johns, 2003
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Wow Awesome Sachin n Dravid need to score centuries here if India has to win