India to share Mumbai bombs evidence with Pakistan

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simply using indian footsoldiers doesn’t make it “a native, born-in-India problem”…since when is LeT indian?

from top brass leadership down to the rank-and-file, it is an organization entirely populated by pakistanis, and operating with impunity from pakistani territory (albeit under a fancy new name)…and by all independent accounts, with a trusty supply of guns and money from the ISI. after all, pakistan’s doctrine of proxy war via jihadis is no secret to anybody.

so even an independently orchestrated attack by a group that has been funded and armed by the ISI still brings culpability to the pakistani state and certainly to its intelligence agency. an arsonist is obviously still responsible when an intentional fire spreads wildly beyond his target.

perhaps none of that is even relevant given the very direct accusations against the ISI in this case.

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It would be no surprise that ISI will end up in terrorist list in next couple of years. I should be.

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^ You mean it should be.

In that case, Pakistanis would have some new intelligence agency, Indian insurgencies would still continue, Kashmiris would still demand freedom.

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If the Indian Army has never ended up on the terrorsit list, why should the ISI? God knows the Indian Army should be…

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Indians Muslims arent as stupid or naive as you think… India is flawed, and the Muslims are pissed off. If this is anyones fault, its Indias… Keep your people on their leash, dont blame us for your failures.

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exactly..............

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All please keep cool.

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As the articles posted so far seems to make clear, Indians are the key ingredient in LeT’s operations within India. Regardless of who plans things, without Indians the LeT would be a pretty toothless tiger.

As for the very direct accusations… none of the articles posted so far make a clear connection between ISI and these attacks.

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It's funny to see you indian hindus twist and turn like jaleebis to malign:

a. Pakistan

b. Indian muslims who are as patriotic to baharat as hindus if not more despite Babri Masjid and Gujarat massacres.

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That's a very disrespectful comment towards Indian Muslims.

They are extremely patriotic people who are looked down with suspicions by hindu majority. Also, they have to live with the fears of communal violence a'la Gujarat (2000 people are massacred in broad day light and no one of these "seculars" did anything) and also have to live with a constant threat of desecration and destruction of landmarks like Babri Masjid. And, don't even start over Kashmir and how those poor people are massacred by Indians.

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Indian army has committed crimes against humanity in Kashmir. They belong to that list.

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lol it’s not “the muslims”…it’s a handful of them under the influence of religious extremism and pakistani brainwashing. please keep your fantasies of what you would like india to be separate from what it is.

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well, with regards to the group’s primary operations in kashmir, LeT is exclusively pakistani…but if you are referring to its periodic terrorist attacks in random Indian cities, then yes there have been locals used to facilitate but even then the primary culprits have been foreigners.

again, this is certainly false for kashmir. but yes, in an operation like the mumbai bombings, expertise of locals will be required as part of the operation. i am having difficulty figuring out how this is supposed to exonerate the organization and its sponsors. when conception of the plot, planning and organization, funding, etc. is all coming from LeT (and supposedly the ISI) across the border, then how would using local foot soldiers render the crime a native and home-grown issue? that is nonsensical, bro.

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lol, again you’re back with the hallucinations of the maligning of pakistan. if your territory and intelligence agency is being used for terrorist attacks against india, then you will certainly get indians calling pakistan out on it. if, in your eyes, this is “maligning pakistan”, then so be it.

and where did i malign indian muslims? stop fantasizing.

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Most of them are not, but some are. In every country and in every community and in every religion there are some stupid people.
Thats why not all indian muslims go around bombing trains, but some do. Most Indian muslims hate these Pakistani terrorists like any other Indian.

Muslims in India are not pissed of by Indian govt. They get more freedom (like any other Indian) than you in Pakistan can ever imagine. Ther are some Muslims with agenda and some with ISI contact that get in the dirty trap of the ISI.

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Free to die in mass orgies of violence I suppose.. Yeah, I cant imagine that kind of freedom :rolleyes:
http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/10/top15.htm
Mumbai accused retract confession

By Jawed Naqvi

NEW DELHI, Oct 9: Seven key accused in the Mumbai train blasts in July on Monday retracted their alleged confession to the police, saying they were illegally forced to sign blank papers, an Indian TV channel reported on Monday.

“In a surprise development, Faisal Sheikh, one of the prime accused in the 7/11 Mumbai serial train blasts, along with six others told a court in Mumbai that the confession statements were taken from them forcibly by the police,” Times Now TV channel said.

“All the seven accused have now retracted their statements in front of the MCOCA (Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act) court,” the report said. “The investigations had revealed that Faisal Sheikh was a key master mind in the plotting of the blasts that claimed more than 200 lives,” the report said.

The Mumbai police chief A.N. Roy had caused a sensation by claiming that the case had been solved and that the ISI was directly involved in the attack on the commuter trains which killed nearly 200 on July 11.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said later that he would take up the issue of terrorism, particularly the Mumbai blasts, with the European Union. He also was quoted as saying that Pakistan would be given the evidence on the Mumbai blasts and was expected to act on it.

Time Now said on Monday that police officials who had claimed the case solved, were not available to explain the about turn by the crucial witnesses.

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Bomb suspects retract confessions
By Zubair Ahmed
BBC News, Mumbai

Seven blasts hit Mumbai’s busy commuter network
Seven men have retracted their confessions a week after police in the Indian city of Mumbai (Bombay) said they had solved recent serial bombings.

They told a court on Monday that their admission of guilt was obtained by police bullying and coercion.

The court remanded them in judicial custody until 20 October.

More than 180 people were killed and 700 wounded in the bomb blasts in commuter trains in July. Police arrested 16 “key suspects”.

‘Political pressure’

Police said Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) - along with two Pakistan-based militant organisations - were behind the bombings.

The lawyer for the seven accused men, Shahid Azmi, claimed his clients were forced to sign on blank papers.

He said their signatures were not obtained in the presence of a police officer of the rank of deputy commissioner, which is mandatory under the law.

Most of the 16 accused men have been arrested under a law called the Maharashtra Control of Organised Crime Act.

The Mumbai police chief said the 11 July case was “solved”

Mr Azmi said the police knew many of the accused men some time before the Mumbai blasts.

“They were picked up and let off several times between 2001 and 2006 on suspicions of being involved in the bomb blasts that took place in this period. But they have now been re-arrested under political pressure,” he said.

Police say they have evidence against all the men arrested, which will be produced in court during the trial.

But there were some who expressed doubts over recent police claims that they had solved the Mumbai bomb blasts case, and the finger-pointing at Pakistan’s ISI.

They say police must produce firm evidence against the accused men which can stand in court.

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Looks like Indias exposed once again... Hopefully this will be adquate enough to embarass the Indian govt into being more cautious and in what they say.

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No disrespect to Indian Muslims, but many in India think the leash is where they belong.. That no secret.. If they dont say it openly, they imply it.

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India is a flawed country… The Indian muslims see this.. A country where 2000 of them can be murdered without a care is not one that any sane Muslim would support.