India to share Mumbai bombs evidence with Pakistan

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - India said on Sunday it would give Pakistan evidence found by its investigators linking Pakistan’s spy agency and an Islamist militant group based there to deadly bomb blasts in Mumbai that killed 186 people in July.

The comments by the new foreign secretary, Shiv Shankar Menon, came a day after police in Mumbai, the country’s financial hub, said they had solid proof that Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency had masterminded the carnage.

Police said the serial blasts on rush-hour commuter trains and crowded station platforms had been executed by Lashkar-e-Taiba using its Pakistani and Indian operatives as well as members of an outlawed hardline Indian Muslim students’ group.

“We will judge them not by immediate reactions or verbal statements (but) by what they actually do about terrorism,” Menon told reporters after taking office.

“It seems to me logical that the mechanism has to deal with this kind of evidence,” he added, referring to a bilateral agreement to set up a joint agency to tackle terrorism.

Pakistan and Lashkar have both rejected the Indian accusations. A Pakistani Foreign Ministry spokeswoman called them baseless and irresponsible.

Tariq Azim Khan, Pakistan’s Minister of State for Information, said Islamabad would investigate the allegations if New Delhi shared its evidence.

Mumbai police chief A.N. Roy said on Saturday at least 12 Indian men and 11 Pakistanis had been involved in the bombings.

Many of the Indians alleged to have been involved had visited Pakistan several times and trained at Lashkar bases in Bahawalpur town in Punjab province, close to the Indian frontier, he said.

TEST FOR JOINT AGENCY

One of the Pakistani men brought over about 15-20 kg of RDX explosives to make the bombs in Mumbai, and funds to stage the attack came from Pakistan via a Lashkar operative in Saudi Arabia, Roy said.

The South Asian rivals agreed to set up the joint agency on terrorism after talks between Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of a Non-Aligned summit in Havana two weeks ago.

The two leaders also agreed to resume a peace process which India had frozen following the Mumbai attacks.

The agency has come in for strong criticism from Indian opposition parties and most security experts even before its formation.

Indian critics say that a similar counter-terrorism mechanism was already in place and had failed to make any progress and they did not see how this one would be different.

Islamabad could not be expected to act against its own military spy agency which New Delhi blames for many violent attacks and subversive activities across the country, they say.

Some Indian analysts, however, say that the mechanism needs to be tested and the Mumbai bombings are a fitting case.

Menon, who was India’s envoy to Pakistan before being named foreign secretary and is seen as one of the architects of the joint panel, defended it.

“We will judge its success or its failure by how it deals with it (terrorism) and what actions Pakistan takes on terrorism,” he said.

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Now what do you think, Pakistan will take serious action against them or not ??

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Lets see what they got... Probably a cofesion from some poor slob under torture...

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I doubt it. Their taking any action would mean they confess to their involvement in terrorist activities in India.

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^ So you are saying that Pakistan Government is involved in this. Same old Meray murghay kee eik hee taang. Should play some other tune and present evidence not to Pakistan but to the world that Pakistan government is involved in terrorism. The fact that your govt. has tried on many occasions and failed should open your eyes to the blatant lies they tell which the world does not buy.

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^ I expected a more mature response from you, Ehsan. This response would have suited some other posters more :)

Anyways, my point is that if India presents evidence to Pak there are two possible reactions from Pak - immediate denial/negation of the evidence or taking action.
Although I expect the first reaction knowing Pak's track record, if they were to take action based on the evidence (which correctly or incorrectly points toward Pak anyways) that would amount to their confessing to their involvement. Wouldn't you agree ?

As far as presenting evidence to third parties, India has a "joint terror fighting mechanism with Pak" not with other countries.

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Not really, you people have already made up your mind that Paksitan is involved and regardless of how good or bad the evidence is, Paksitan is responsible. India has never presented irrefutable evidence and has always been clutching at the straws to cover up the incompetence of their intelligence agencies. Based on such flimsy evidence of course Pakistan has to reject it. Don't you agree?

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Sorry i don’t agree :smiley:

You know what Ehsan, I tell you one thing very friendly If you don’t believe in Indian evidences or any Indian intelligent agency then it is FINE, but atleast try to believe what international intelligent agencies proves against Pak terror, they also have enough proofs against those terrorists. You r simply ignoring everyone, they do hard work 24 hour Job, 365 days in year and spend billions of dollars every year on their intelligent agencies and you don’t want to believe them.

If you’ve already decided, ISI is right baaki all r pagal gadhe so I think we cannot change anyone’s thinking over this issue… :mad:

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what constitutes “irrefutable” evidence is obviously subjective.

you and i both know that anything short of a videotape showing musharraf and shaukat aziz personally building bombs with LeT operatives and discussing details of bombay train routes, etc., will be immediately refuted by pakistan and dismissed.

i would think that if your intelligence agency carried this out, they would not be so incompetent to leave behind evidence so good and so convincing that pakistan would literally be unable to deny it.

no intelligence agencies leave such perfect evidence behind, but does that mean they don’t carry out such attacks? obviously not.

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Just like you have already decided that paksitan is responsible so nothing can change your views and frankly I wouldn’t want to. Just don’t point fingers towards others unless you have proof.

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Any evidence, however good it is can be refuted. If Pak wanted to work with India, atleast they would have taken that evidence & done their own investigation instead of flat out denying that any kind of terror network exists in Pak.

Indian police took 2 1/2 months to put this evidence together. Lets see how long it takes Pak to refute it.

Btw, assume for a second that the evidence is irrefutable & Pak is behind these blasts. Do you expect them to admit it ? :)

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An Indian cant fart on a bus with blaming Pakistan for it... Completely Pak centric society. Just the fact that so many of these Indians post on this forum betrays their obsesion with Pakistan. Someone should tell them about partition.. We are no longer the same country.. I wonder if these people show the same obsession with their other neighbors?

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Pak isnt going to believe the Indians or their evidence… Independant third party is required..
Having said that, why would Pakistan want to attack Mumbai? We dont share your obsesions after all…

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These are just excuses :snooty: Its stupid to expect India to get a third party/country to investigate the Mumbai blasts.

Which country will let outsiders come in & do investigation in its territory ? Is Pak willing to get third parties/countries to inspect their jehadi factories, terrorist training camps and whether ISI is hiding Osama Bin Laden or not ?

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If it is irrefutable evidence than yes I would expect them to admit it. Tell me one thing though what would Pakistan govt. gain from these bombings especially as the relations were improving at the time. What does Pakistan gain by this. There must be a reason for them getting involved in the bombings and jeopardizing the improving relations, especially as it seems they always leave evidence behind for the Indian security services to find.

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:omg:
Ehsan, they will not understand and continue to eat your brain. I think you must have realized it by now that half of your brain is gone with the wind

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:frusty2: Mama ji tussi bilkool sahi bola zindagi me 2nd daffa aur yeh Kashmir section me kaha se ghus gaya thread, Mumbai ko Kashmir bana rahe ho kaya tussi mama ji :kursi:

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Listen Hollow Woman

When wold you become a man :smack:

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lol … that nick always appear to me as “Hollow woman”. But then i re-read it as, no it’s ‘hollow man’. (sorry, off topic)

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Pakistan and Pakistanis in general are evil...we don't want peace.

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Yes, the reason is to spread terror & then call it indigenous terrorist (Kashmiri)movement, with an aim to getting India to negotiate on Kashmir.

Relations were also improving in 1999 after Vajpayee’s visit but Mushy still came up with Kargil, so I really dont know how the Pak govt. thinks :slight_smile:

Probably, Pak is not interested in peace with India but is putting up this face due to western pressure :confused: Isnt it a well know fact that Mushy is still pissed due to '71 ?