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What is the history of Sardar Patel Valla Bhai ?
I believe I have heard negative stuff about him particularly concerning Muslims.
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yeah, muGhals were kings and the general public had no say whatsoever they chose to spend money but this is democracy in India and public does have a say...they can't waste public money on such stuff...if they so badly wanted such monuments then they should ask public sector to build one for them. i hate these type of embezzlement of public fund.
When Indians (who goes to USA) visit statute, why can't this statue be a tourism attraction in India? May be it increase / promote other historical places in Gujarat as well.
Re: India to build the world's tallest statue.
What is the history of Sardar Patel Valla Bhai ?
I believe I have heard negative stuff about him particularly concerning Muslims.
For Muslims, every person who was in Congress and remained in Congress after Muslim League, got negative perception. Be it Sardar Patel (BTW he was the person behind revival of Somnath) or Abul Kalam Azad (who wrote Tafseer e Quran and was against the idea of division of India on religion basis)
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When Indians (who goes to USA) visit statute, why can't this statue be a tourism attraction in India? May be it increase / promote other historical places in Gujarat as well.
Why would tourists wanna come to India to see a statue of largely unknown local Historical figure when India classified as one of the the worst places for women in general and and a total no go area for foreign women? Steet crime is rampant there, scenes of poverty, child labour and general hygine and environment isn't any attractive either. What's the human rights situation is like there? Shouldn't the money be spent into working on improving these things?
*And before any idiot attemps to bring Pakistan in. Pakistan is a warzone atm. End of discussion. Happy. Now don't bother. *
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Do we have tall statues in Pakistan?
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^ If not foreign tourists, then Indian tourist might be attracted towards statue, considering involvement of Patel with Somnath, which also lies in nearby area.
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Haven’t you read what happened to Gandhi jis statutes (placed before Sindh High Court)? Bamiyan Budhas is the latest episode 
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Bamiyan Budhas were destroyed in Afghanistan? I think, Pakistan offered money in return of statues…
Re: India to build the world's tallest statue.
For Muslims, every person who was in Congress and remained in Congress after Muslim League, got negative perception. Be it Sardar Patel (BTW he was the person behind revival of Somnath) or Abul Kalam Azad (who wrote Tafseer e Quran and was against the idea of division of India on religion basis)
He was in favour of partition, so as to get rid of as many 'trouble-making Muslims' as possible from India.
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is it on river or some coastal area? Where in Gujarat exactly? Soorat?
To be build on a dam, Narmada Dam, Songadh, Gujarat.
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Thanks 
Totally agreed!
In western countries, statues are build to attract tourists and are taken care of.
I heard Nitish Kumar (CM of Bihar) has planned on building the largest Bhudda Temple in Bihar.
Please let me know if they are planning to build this size statue of madhuri dixit anytime soon.
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Why Madhuri?
Why not Katrina ? She is tall too…
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Please let me know if they are planning to build this size statue of madhuri dixit anytime soon.
kiuN janaab? kia uske oopar chaRh ke chhalaang lagaanii hai? ;)
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He was in favour of partition, so as to get rid of as many 'trouble-making Muslims' as possible from India.
this is a fairly inaccurate. he knew partition was inevitable, and had seen the riots of direct action day. he wanted the partition to be done by the brits, and not go for a united india with an army that was close to 50% muslims who could be incited into civil war with the use of religion at any time. he also predicted that pakistan would be unable to maintain a democratic government for long given how inexperienced and greedy landowning-class muslim league politicians besides jinnah and LAK were, that would never outlaw zameendari, and the nature of the armed forces. he didn't live to see it but most of that came true in no time. indian muslims can thank him and ambedkar for getting them many privileges that they wouldn't have had if it were up to a secular nehru. pakistanis and hindu rightwingers paint him as some muslim-hater who jumped at jinnah's ideas of partition but the truth is a lot more nuanced.
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Should the massacre of 50,000-200,000 Hyderabadi Muslims in the space of a few weeks also be considered one of Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel’s legacies ?
This one has just recently been brought to light apparently, after about 60 years of suppression.
Declassify report on the 1948 Hyderabad massacre by Swaminomics : SA Aiyar’s blog-The Times Of IndiaThe Gujarat election will revive charges that Narendra Modi killed a thousand Muslims in the 2002 Gujarat riots, with the BJP accusing Rajiv Gan dhi of killing 3000 Sikhs in the 1984 Delhi riots. To get a sense of perspective, i did some research on communal riots in past decades. I was astounded to find that the greatest communal slaughter occurred under neither Modi nor Rajiv but Nehru. His takeover of Hyderabad in 1948 caused maybe 50,000-200,000 deaths. The Sunderlal report on this massacre has been kept an official secret for over 60 years. While other princes acceded to either India or Pakistan in 1947, the Nizam of Hyderabad aimed to remain independent. This was complicated by a Marxist uprising. The Nizam’s Islamic militia, the Razakars, killed and raped many Hindus. This incensed Sardar Patel and Nehru, who ordered the Army into Hyderabad. The Army’s swift victory led to revenge killings and rapes by Hindus on an unprecedented scale.
Civil rights activist AG Noorani has cited Prof Cantwell Smith, a critic of Jinnah, in The Middle Eastern Journal, 1950. “The only careful report on what happened in this period was made a few months later by investigators - including a Congress Muslim and a sympathetic and admired Hindu (Professor Sunderlal)- commissioned by the Indian government. The report was submitted but has not been published; presumably it makes unpleasant reading. It is widely held that the figure mentioned therein for the number of Muslims massacred is 50,000. Other estimates by responsible observers run as high as 200,000.” A lower but still horrific estimate comes from UCLA Professor Perry Anderson. "When the Indian Army took over Hyderabad, massive Hindu pogroms against the Muslim population broke out, aided and abetted by its regulars. On learning something of them, the figurehead Muslim Congressman in Delhi, Maulana Azad, then minister of education, prevailed on Nehru to let a team investigate. It reported that at a conservative estimate between 27,000 and 40,000 Muslims had been slaughtered in the space of a few weeks after the Indian takeover. This was the largest single massacre in the history of the Indian Union, dwarfing the killings by the Pathan raiders en route to Srinagar which India has ever since used as the casus belli for its annexation of Kash mir.
“Nehru, on proclaiming Indian victory in Hyderabad, had announced that ‘not a single communal incident’ marred the triumph. What action did he take on receiving the report? He suppressed it, and at Patel’s urging cancelled the appointment of one of its authors as ambassador in the Middle East. No word about the pogroms, in which his own troops had taken eager part, could be allowed to leak out. Twenty years later, when news of the report finally surfaced, his daughter banned the publication of the document as injurious to national interests.”
Perry Andersen is accused by some of anti-Indian bias. This cannot be said of author William Dalrymple. In The Age of Kali, Dalrymple says the Sunderlal report has been leaked and published abroad, and “estimates that as many as 200,000 Hyderabadi Muslims were slaughtered.”
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Our textbooks and TV programmes show Sardar Patel and Nehru as demi-gods who created a unified India. The truth is more sordid.** You will not find any mention of the Hyderabad massacre in our standard history books (just as Pakistani textbooks have deleted reference to the East Pakistan massacre of 1971). The air-brushing of Patel and Nehru is complete. My friends ask, why rake up the 1948 horrors now? You sound like an apologist for Modi’s killings of 2002.
I can only say that the killings of 1948 cannot possibly justify the killings of 2002, or 1984, or any others. Modi has blood on his hands, whether or not he was directly culpable. But why pretend that others had spotlessly clean hands? There is a macabre logic in the praises Modi has recently heaped on Patel: the two were not entirely dissimilar. Nations need to acknowledge their past errors in order to avoid them in the future. Germany acknowledged the horrors of fascism and militarism, and this helped it build a new anti-war society focused on human rights.
Something is terribly wrong when Indian citizens are kept in dark about the biggest pogrom since Independence, even after foreign sources have lifted the lid. India’s jihadi press is fully aware of the 1948 massacre, and projects its censorship as evidence of Hindu oppression . This is not how a liberal democracy should function. India cannot become a truly unified nation on the basis of suppressed reports and sanitized textbooks. The Sunderlal report must be made public.
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Is Canvas turning into PA or History forum?
carry on 
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No. This is enough for now. :)
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Mayawati made her own statues and UP deserves this, that is the type of leader such flock can produce anyway. Behanji aur Bhaiya ji, poeple of UP chose it and then repent it and then reelect them again
The happiest of the lot would have been gandhi 
after all his statue was put in the best use
Now interpolate it, if today’s leader are so careless about their public, what would have mughals been
He,at best, can be termed as, Hindu version of Jinnah, He unified almost entire country of Independent India, got all instrument of accension signed in Indian favour, merger of Nizam’s state in Deccan. Except Goa and Sikkim which were added later, He helped consolidating the entire nation
That means you have never studied India’s tourism I am sure state like Rajasthan and MP make more money annually than entire Pakistan.
Pakistan is warzone, because of choices it made, its entirely Pakistan’s fault
The interim government made before partition had Patel as Home minister, Liaquat Ali Khan as Finance minister. and one cannot appoint a single policeman without acceptance from finance ministry, For Jinnah, Pakistan was a political tool to make more concessions for muslim in India, but Nehru agreed to it. Pakistan was creation of Congress than Jinnah :). Muslims themselves wanted Pakistan, at least, the elite, so patel wishing that all will leave a very natural choice
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I'm not sure whether Gandhi ji would be happy to see his statutes being used in utensils for cooking beef biryani.