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they are sponsoring it in the Local market… not in South Africa… 
Did u read the first post in this thread… ICC doesn’t want local sponsors… they were like saying “tumharay sponsors jayein bhar mein.”
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well as i said, the sponsors they have r the only one’s who can sponsor this cup. Who else can offer so much amt of money. ok its like Vodafone is a sponsor of English team. Now in no way Vodafone be a sponsor for a world cup because it can’t generate any amt of money. Companies like Hero Honda are spnsoring 'cause they know if they operate in India they r gonna take out their expenses..same goes for SOny , LG.
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i think this team is afraid
to face the Pakistani's...
we all know that they will badly loose...
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HAHHAHAAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAH
man u made me laugh!!!!! :D:D
Tell me something .. when in worldcup did India lose against Pakistan??? When??? Just tell me that!
Keep dreaming kid!
Getting more ugly. Looks like the fault of BCCI they should have concerned with their players before signing the agreement.
Contract row: ICC threatens to penalise BCCI
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 27, 2002 08:25:38 PM]
LONDON: With the vexed contract issue showing no signs of being resolved, the International Cricket Council (ICC) on Friday threatened to slap hefty compensation claims on Indian cricket board (BCCI) if it failed to meet its contractual obligations.
Even as the BCCI virtually rejected ICC’s final offer at its special general meeting on Christmas Day, the ICC stuck to its guns and said any action by the BCCI to avoid its legal obligation would create the potential for “significant claim for compensation”.
“The reality is that any person or organisation that fails to live up to its commitments risk claims for compensation being made against it and the BCCI is no different,” ICC’s chief executive Malcolm Speed said.
Speed said the process by which the ICC and BCCI entered into their contracts was “clear and transparent and each party has willingly accepted the obligations that were detailed in these agreements”.
Giving details of the agreement signed with the BCCI, **Speed said at no stage did the BCCI raise any issue with any aspect of the Participating Nations Agreement nor took up the opportunity to discuss its concerns with the ICC or its solicitors. **
**“The BCCI has willingly committed itself to delivering its best team to the ICC cricket World Cup and to ensuring that this team will agree to the conditions accepted by the BCCI,” Speed said. **
He said that the recent suggestions by some commentators that the BCCI would not be bound contractually to deliver these obligations were “inaccurate and it was important to dispel this speculation”.
**Pointing out that the Cricket Events Agreement was signed by the BCCI on May 28, 2001, Speed said, “The BCCI was well aware of the obligation undertaken by IDI (ICC Development International) to provide exclusivity to sponsors at an early stage. They had signed the agreement without comment or query to IDI. Following discussion with the BCCI on this issue, I carefully outlined the legitimate and transparent process by which the BCCI accepted and committed to its contractual obligations in a letter to the Indian Board earlier this month,” Speed said. **
Speed said the current agreement between ICC and Global Cricket Corporation was in the best interest of the game and it would provide US$ 550 million for the sport over the life of the agreement
Source : Indiatimes.com
In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday.
yes..BCCI signed it..so what?
and Yes BCC will send its BEST team..but who can define what is BEST??
What if Sachin,Dravid,Ganguly,Sehwag,Zaheer dont go due to Family obligations or Injury.. They can always do that..Cant they???
Haan yee problem tu samajh aatee hay. Theek kahaan AQ uncle aap nay Indian’s ke puraneee aadat hay commitment ker k badal janey kee. ICC should understand this too 
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Haan yee problem tu samajh aatee hay. Theek kahaan AQ uncle aap nay Indian's ke puraneee aadat hay commitment ker k badal janey kee. ICC should understand this too
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We have just seen the commitments of Akram,Akhtar,Saqlain,Saeed et all- Har important series ke pehle bahane bana kar ghar bhaag jaate hain. Not that it makes any difference.
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We have just seen the commitments of Akram,Akhtar,Saqlain,Saeed et all- Har important series ke pehle bahane bana kar ghar bhaag jaate hain. *Not that it makes any difference. *
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Then whats the point talking about it? stick to the topic ;)
Lets see what happens next.
ICC DENIES BCCI CLAIMS
By A Special Correspondent
LONDON, December 29, 2002
Giving a new twist to the ongoing war of words, the International Cricket Council (ICC) today denied having received a letter from the Board of Control of Cricket in India (BCCI) prior to the latter’s unqualified acceptance of its contract for the ICC Cricket World Cup 2003.
The ICC’s denial was a follow-up to a report that appeared in an Indian newspaper, the world governing council for the game clarified through a media release.
The Times of India ( look who is repoting i guess ISI intercepted the letter ) had reported that BCCI Chief Jagmohan Dalmiya had clarified even if the BCCI signed the Cricket Events Agreement in May 28, 2001, it protested against the restrictive clauses contained in the Participating Nations Agreement for the World Cup in a letter to the ICC on March 12, 2002.
A copy of the protest letter acquired by the newspaper shows that the BCCI had, among others, objected to clause 13 that stops players from endorsing products of conflicting sponsors 30 days on either side of an ICC event, the report said.
In the letter faxed and e-mailed to Campbell Jamieson, the ICC’s Commercial Manager, the then BCCI secretary Niranjan Shah said: “We have distinct problem in complying with this clause (13) in its totality. For instance, we cannot prevent our players from not taking part in any advertisement or endorsement from 30 days before the first match until 30 days after the last match in the event. We do not interfere with such rights of the players because it directly affects the Fundamental Rights under the Constitution of India,” according to the newspaper report.
However, ICC President Malcolm Gray said that the suggestion that a letter existed first arose in early December, several months after the ICC and the BCCI had started to work through this issue, but there was no record with the world governing body of having received the aforementioned letter.
**“The ICC and the BCCI have been working on this issue for several months now and the suggestion that this letter existed first arose on 9 December 2002. The ICC has no record of ever receiving this piece of correspondence,” said Mr Gray. ** 
Yesterday ICC released details of the contract signed by the BCCI which it claimed bound the latter to send its best team to the World Cup in February-March.
ICC’s Chief Executive Malcolm Speed said that given the recent speculation that the Indian team may not play in the mega event it was important to understand the contractual obligations that the BCCI had taken on and that India’s non-participation could only occur if the BCCI failed to honour the undertakings it had given to world cricket.
**Mr Speed, also highlighted the clauses of the contract through which the BCCI has taken on the responsibility of ensuring that its players accepted the Player Terms that the BCCI has agreed to on their behalf.
“Under the Participating Nations Agreement (PNA) the BCCI signed in March this year the Indian Board is committed to sending its best team to the ICC Cricket World Cup 2003,” said Mr Speed.
“The contract also reinforces the BCCI’s right and responsibility to manage its own players within the commitments it has taken on under the PNA. The ICC respects this position.
“It is also vital to recognize that in signing the PNA, the BCCI has accepted the Player Terms put forward by the ICC on behalf of its team.
“It has also agreed that its best team will accept these terms and to take on the responsibility for getting the agreement of its players.
“These are the commitments that the BCCI has taken on and these are the commitments that the ICC is asking the BCCI to honour.
“The only way that the Indian team could not take its place in the ICC Cricket World Cup is if the BCCI fails to honour its agreement. I would expect the BCCI to honour the legal commitments it has made and for the Indian team to take part in the event.” **
The four key clauses in the BCCI’s contract are Clause 5.1, 13.3, 13.4 and 14.1, the ICC stated.
Clause 5.1 states:
The Competitor (i.e. the BCCI) will ensure that all Players in its squad and the Team selected for each Match are the Competitor’s best players available to the Competitor at the time of the Squad and Team selection respectively, accepting as reasons for non-availability of players only insurmountable and verifiable practical issues such as suspension, injury or serious and unavoidable non-commercial reasons such as bereavement of a close family member.
Clause 13.3 states:
The Competitor hereby undertakes to co-operate and to procure the co-operation of all Squad members with IDI and GCC (as IDI may reasonably require) to avoid any conflict between the Commercial Rights and the interests of the Competitor and its Players, including but not limited to conflicts involving the rights or actions of any Team Sponsor or Player Sponsor. In the event of any such conflict arising the Competitor shall, upon becoming aware thereof, take all steps reasonably necessary to avoid or alleviate conflict so as to avoid any adverse effect to the value of the Commercial Rights.
Clause 13.4 states:
The Competitor shall procure that each Player and Team Official provides (at no cost to IDI, UCBSA * or sub-licensees) authorization to enable IDI and UCBSA to use and to sub-license the use of his name, image, autograph, biography, photograph, likeness and other relevant details and to replicate (by electronic or by any other means) his image and any other performance rendered by him during the Event, including (where relevant) his batting and/or bowling action for the purposes of promoting the Event and exploiting the Commercial Rights (but excluding the Host’s Rights) provided that such name, image, autograph, biography, photograph, likeness other relevant details or performance shall not (without the prior written consent of the relevant Player or Team Official) be used in any manner which may reasonably be considered to constitute a personal endorsement by any such Player or Team Official of any product or service.
Clause 14.1 states:
The Competitor shall procure that, without cost to IDI, each member of the Squad (including for the avoidance of doubt not only all of the Players but also the non-playing members of the Squad) shall have signed the Player Terms, the form of which is set out in Schedule 3, and that all of the signed Player Terms for the Squad (bearing the Squad members’ original signatures) are delivered to IDI by 14 January 2003. The Competitor shall procure that each potential member of the Squad (to the extent that the Competitor is reasonably able to predict the same) has been provided with a copy of and shall use its best endeavors to ensure that each Squad member has read and fully understood the provisions of this Agreement (including, without limitation, the Doping Regulations) as soon as practicable following the signature of this Agreement by the Competitor and, in any event, no later that prior to their signature of the Player Terms. The Competitor shall thereafter use its best endeavors to procure compliance by each member of the Squad with all the Player Terms and shall take all steps necessary to enforce the Player Terms as IDI or the Event Technical Committee may require.*
Yes..
Damn Indian..So Scared of playing pakistan...
they can do anything .. ;)
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Yes..
Damn Indian..So Scared of playing pakistan...
they can do anything .. ;)
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bingoo..u got it AQ uncle
and good morning ...or good afternoon whatever it is for me its morning ..raat ko dair say soee hoon asal meen NZ kee fatah ka jashn bhee tu mana tha na ;)
I think vegi pie must be stressing on BCCI to boycot WC no matter what cuz thats the only way to avoid playing PAK.
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bingoo..u got it AQ uncle
and good morning ...or good afternoon whatever it is for me its morning ..raat ko dair say soee hoon asal meen NZ kee fatah ka jashn bhee tu mana tha na ;)
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Intrestingly same time I was celebrating SA's win.. ha ha
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‘We are fighting battle of nerves with ICC’ **
The battle between the International Cricket Council and Board of Control for Cricket in India will enter a decisive stage with the announcement of the Indian team for the World Cup on Monday.
In an exclusive briefing to rediff.com about the Indian strategy to tackle the crisis, a high-level negotiator between the Indian cricketers’ sponsors and the ICC said, “It’s a battle of nerves and we will fight it successfully because we have the bargaining power.”
Sunday, ICC president Malcolm Gray ruled out any further concessions to the Indians, saying, ‘The one thing that is quite clear is that BCCI has to deal with it. A practical approach will have to be taken and common sense should prevail.’
The Indian side, not surprisingly, thinks the opposite.
The afore-quoted negotiator, speaking on condition that he would not be identified, said, “This is a battle where the Government of India and BCCI have no role. Under the ICC and BCCI shadow, the ICC’s sponsors and sponsors of the Indian cricketers are fighting a battle for money.”
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The Indian players have realized if they stick it out as long as they can, the ICC will crack and they will win the confrontation. “Once the BCCI announces its team, we will ask those selected players to sign the contracts. Obviously, they are not going to oblige. Once they refuse, we will be forced to send Gautam Gambhir instead of Sachin Tendulkar! It’s as simple as that,” said the negotiator.
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The Indian cricketers know one statistic well, the negotiator added, which is that 82 per cent of the ICC’s income comes from the Indian market. If the BCCI sends a B team to the World Cup, the ICC stands to lose more than $180 million.
In view of this fact, the actual battle is between the ICC sponsors and the Indian cricketers’s sponsors. Among the latter are Samsung, Coca-Cola and TVS.
As of today, the BCCI, in an “unofficial” move, has asked the ICC to compensate the potential loss to their players’ sponsors, which will be to tune of over $20 million, and get the best Indian players at the World Cup.
This is a feasible option, claimed the negotiator.
Four points are being made to the ICC’s sponsors, who have staked more than $550 million till 2007 for all ICC events. They are:
The Indian players signed the contract with their sponsors long before the ICC’s new offer. How can they violate these contracts? Their sponsors would ask the Indian players to return the fees paid to them if the cricketers sign the ICC’s contract.
Even if the cricketers end their contract or violate it, the Indian sponsors can telecast earlier commercials and spoil the ICC’s plans of exclusivity.
Why can’t the ICC wait to negotiate such contracts for future matches and tournaments? Why mess around with the Indian players’ existing deals?
Why is the ICC overlooking the fact that India is the largest contributor to its treasure chest?
With so much involved, the Government of India, the BCCI and its president Jagmohan Dalmiya, and the Indian players and their sponsors have come together in this unprecedented fight with the ICC, the negotiator said.
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“The solution will be found once Ranji Trophy players are sent to the World Cup by the BCCI! The ICC should know we have the power in this war of nerves,” the negotiator claimed.
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He refuted the allegation that Dalmiya knew about the likely ICC contract when he headed the Council. “That is just not true. Dalmiya had no role in the conceptualisation of the ICC contract,” he said.
When will ICC ban BCCI ??
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Intrestingly same time I was celebrating SA's win.. ha ha
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So youve lost interest in India... I dont blame you :)
India just blowing horn
Indian board is making news every day regarding the sponsorship contracts. Its a shame how money minded it can be. In the end they mite have the last laugh because ICC is not strong enuf, and India has 1 billion population which ICC cannot do without.
But when all's said and done, its gonna put even more pressure on its players to perform esp. in the crunch match against Pakistan. True they've won the last 3 world cup encounters, but 4th time is gonna be different. Pakistan's "fixing gang" is no more in charge of the team which, if nothing else, atleast ensures a commitment to win the game. This one would sure be for the ages!
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Indian board is making news every day regarding the sponsorship contracts. Its a shame how money minded it can be. In the end they mite have the last laugh because ICC is not strong enuf, and India has 1 billion population which ICC cannot do without.
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And the situation is that if ICC tries to press legal arguments, Indian players will say they are injured or have family problems and then BCCI will send a third-class team to play in WC.
Swiss court may arbitrate BCCI-ICC contract row
AGENCIES TUESDAY, JANUARY 07, 2003 07:35:28 PM ]
NEW DELHI: The World Cup sponsorship row between India and the ICC may go to the Court of Arbitration for Sports in Lausanne, Switzerland, according to media reports.
India has refused to sign the contract which prohibits cricketers from endorsing non-official sponsors for a month before and five days after the World Cup, and demanded a legal settlement to the row.
The ICC, already burdened by growing fears of playing in Zimbabwe, which co-hosts the World Cup with South Africa and Kenya from February 8 to March 23, wants the Swiss court to arbitrate.
With only a week left before the deadline to sign contracts ends on January 14, the warring parties are running out of time to resolve the dispute. By setting a January 14 deadline, the ICC has negated its own ruling that non-official endorsements have to cease 30 days before the tournament starts on February 8.
But any further concessions by the ICC or the official tournament sponsors, as demanded by India, are unlikely. The Kolkata-based Telegraph newspaper reported on Tuesday that the Global Cricket Corporation, which holds marketing rights for all events till the 2007 World Cup, had “categorically informed” the ICC that the sponsors will offer more concessions only if they are “compensated.”
“In effect, that means they will themselves fork out less than what has been contracted. And, so, instead of $ 550 million (through till 2007), the ICC could get around $ 480 million,” the newspaper said.
None of the other 13 participating nations are agreeable to a deduction in the sponsorship money, leaving India out in the cold. The ICC insists India meet its contractual obligations after signing the Participating Nations Agreement (PNA) last year.
India argues its players cannot be expected to breach sponsorship deals which pre- date the PNA contract. Most Indian stars, including Sachin Tendulkar and captain Saurav Ganguly, enjoy lucrative personal sponsorships which they may have to forego if the current World Cup contracts are adhered to.
Adding to the ICC’s headache is pressure by the Australian, British and New Zealand governments to boycott the six World Cup matches scheduled in Zimbabwe in protest against President Robert Mugabe’s controversial land reforms.