India, Pakistan to restore ties, hold talks (merged)

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Wayne-ir, why cant 700,000 man strong indian army cant stop this infiltration?
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The 700,000 troops only been there for about a year, while Pakistan has been sending ISI terrorist for the past 13 years...., 1000s of Pakistani ISI sleeper terrorist are already in Kashmir.

And if 700,000 man strong Indian army can't stop the infiltration then what hope is there for a few UNSC monitors that Pakistan is asking for so badly, so it can send more terrorist into India, unnoticed.

Time for India to act on its promise and start it’s ‘Decisive Battle’ - otherwise keep whining about the infiltrators crossing into Indian occupied Kashmir. :hehe:

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*Originally posted by Wayne: *

The 700,000 troops only been there for about a year, while Pakistan has been sending ISI terrorist for the past 13 years...., 1000s of Pakistani ISI sleeper terrorist are already in Kashmir.

And if 700,000 man strong Indian army can't stop the infiltration then what hope is there for a few UNSC monitors that Pakistan is asking for so badly, so it can send more terrorist into India, unnoticed.
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Wayne-ir..only a year? dont make your ignorance that obvious.
Has hate clouded your judgment to such an extent that you cant recognise the fact that 700,000 indian army can stop these "terrorists".

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Wayne-ir..only a year? dont make your ignorance that obvious.
Has hate clouded your judgment to such an extent that you cant recognise the fact that 700,000 indian army can stop these "terrorists".
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Yeah I am sure Pakistan wants handfull of UNSC monitors on the LOC rather than the present 700,000 Indian troops, so that it can send in more ISI terrorist in Kashmir.

If India can't stop inflitrations with 700,000 troops then what chance has the handfull UNSC monitors got with their bright visible white uniform and viechels, which can bee seen miles away by ISI terrorists.

Yes India must talk to Paksitan on all issues including Pakistan's terrorist activities for the past 54 years.

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*Originally posted by Wayne: *
Yeah I am sure Pakistan wants handfull of UNSC monitors on the LOC rather than the present 700,000 Indian troops, so that it can send in more ISI terrorist in Kashmir.

If India can't stop inflitrations with 700,000 troops then what chance has the handfull UNSC monitors got with their bright visible uniform and viechels, which can bee seen miles away by ISI terrorist.
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haha...you poor delusional thing...how can a few hundred or thousand “ISI backed terrorists” dodge 700,000 indian troops and cross over the border. Have you been eating too much masala dosa lately?

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haha...you poor delusional thing...how can a few hundred or thousand “ISI backed terrorists” dodge 700,000 indian troops and cross over the border. Have you been eating too much masla dosa lately?
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If Pakistan wants UNSC monitors so badly then why not get then and install them on the Pakistani side of the boarders, whats stoping the Musharraf and Kureshi? Too busy eating masla dosa ?

Yeah and what was Pakistan's reply - "India has a soldier every 3 meters across the LOC". Yeah you definitly been eating halal masala dosa lately.

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*Originally posted by Wayne: *

If Pakistan wants UNSC monitors so badly then why not get then and install them on the Pakistani side of the boarders, whats stoping the Musharraf and Kureshi? Too busy eating masla dosa ?
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700,000 indian army men are enough to ward off any infiltration attempts...btw those monitors would be installed on both sides..

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*Originally posted by lussi: *

700,000 indian army men are enough to ward off any infiltration attempts...btw those monitors would be installed on both sides..
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Yeah I am sure Pakistan wants handfull of UNSC monitors on the LOC rather than the present 700,000 Indian troops, so that it can send in more ISI terrorist in Kashmir.

If India can't stop inflitrations with 700,000 troops then what chance has the handfull UNSC monitors got with their bright visible uniform and viechels, which can bee seen miles away by ISI terrorist.

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*Originally posted by Wayne: *

Yeah I am sure Pakistan wants handfull of UNSC monitors on the LOC rather than the present 700,000 Indian troops, so that it can send in more ISI terrorist in Kashmir.

If India can't stop inflitrations with 700,000 troops then what chance has the handfull UNSC monitors got with their bright visible uniform and viechels, which can bee seen miles away by ISI terrorist.
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dude...you are exteremly stupid...your argument is just going in circles...and doesnt even warrant a response anymore.............
oh and btw I like how ISI butchered those pundits...:)

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*Originally posted by lussi: *

700,000 indian army men are enough to ward off any infiltration attempts...btw those monitors would be installed on both sides..
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Why both sides? you only need 1 line of UNSC monitors across the LOC. Man I seen some dumb people in my life but you ....

So as Pakistan has been harping on about UNSC monitors then go to the UN and get your UNSC monitors and let them form a line on the Pakistani side of the boarder, what is stoping you? What are you really afraid of? What is Mushrraf and Kureshi really afraid of? That their masla dosa may get cold?

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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *

Khan Saheb - Can you tell us please which anti-peace elements in Indian Government created a mess of the Lahore Declaration ??

Can anyone please tell us what was there in that declaration and what happened to it ??
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sorry for the delay

anyone who tried to stop the action and left declaration for files only

India, Pakistan to restore ties, hold talks

Sounds good…

NEW DELHI, India, May 2 — India and Pakistan said Friday they will restore full diplomatic relations and shortly hold their first talks in almost two years aimed at ending five decades of war and acrimony between the nuclear-armed neighbors.PRIME MINISTER Atal Bihari Vajpayee said he is restoring civil aviation links that were broken last year and will appoint a new ambassador to Pakistan. Pakistan reciprocated by saying that full diplomatic relations would be resumed.
Vajpayee, 78 and ailing, has indicated he would like to leave a legacy of peace between India and Pakistan.
“This round of talks will be decisive,” he told Parliament, “and at least for my life, these will be the last.”
The two countries went on war footing last year after India blamed Pakistan for an attack by Islamic militants on the Indian Parliament in December 2001. Pakistan denied involvement. Tensions eased after intense diplomacy by the United States and Britain.
Continuing those efforts, U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage is to visit the region next week.
Pakistan’s foreign ministry said Vajpayee’s announcement was “a good step in the right direction.”

“Talks will begin very soon,” Pakistan’s Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed told The Associated Press in Islamabad. “Things are moving very fast.”
Last week, Vajpayee conditionally offered talks with Pakistan on the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir and other issues. Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf voiced some reservations but called the offer a sign of improvement.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/908260.asp?0cv=CB10

‘Third and Final’ Bid for Peace With Pakistan

This is the last chance for India and Pakistan to resolve their differences. If not now, then it would be very difficult without Vajpayee. He would be the most flexible Indian Prime Minister for Pakistan.


New York Times

India to Make ‘Third and Final’ Bid for Peace With Pakistan
By AMY WALDMAN

EW DELHI, May 2 — Saying that he was making a last effort at peace, Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee of India announced in Parliament today that India would send a new high commissioner to Pakistan and restore air links on a reciprocal basis between the two countries.

The decision was welcomed in Pakistan.

The announcement breaks a 16-month-long stalemate that began after a Dec. 13, 2001, attack on Parliament here. India laid the blame for the attack on Pakistan, which has backed a 14-year Islamic insurgency in an attempt to wrest control of Indian-administered Kashmir.

India recalled its high commissioner and suspended air, road and rail links, and later deployed hundreds of thousands of extra troops along its border with Pakistan. Western diplomats have said that the two nuclear-armed nations twice went to the brink of war.

“At least in my life this is the last time I will be making an attempt to resolve the Indo-Pak dispute,” an emotional Mr. Vajpayee said today.

Two weeks ago, on a visit to Kashmir, Mr. Vajpayee ended months of hard-line rhetoric by Indian officials and announced he was extending a “hand of friendship” to Pakistan. He reiterated the statement in Parliament, although he insisted that India’s conditions of a halt to anti-Indian terrorism emanating from Pakistani territory had not changed.

On Monday, Pakistan’s prime minister, Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali, called Mr. Vajpayee to extend his appreciation for the Indian prime minister’s words. They discussed ways of moving ties forward, including restoring air links.

In making a first move today, Mr. Vajpayee risks the wrath of hard-liners in his own party, which became clear this week. After Pakistani officials announced that Mr. Jamali had informally invited Mr. Vajpayee to Pakistan, leaders from Mr. Vajpayee’s Bharatiya Janata Party announced that the invitation was being rejected. India’s Ministry of External Affairs rushed to clarify that no formal invitation had been issued, and thus none rejected.

Twice before, Mr. Vajpayee had reached out to Pakistan, only to be met with what India saw as blatant, even mocking rebuffs. In February 1999 he visited Lahore, only to have Pakistan start a miniwar in the peaks of Kargil a few months later.

He invited the Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, to a summit meeting, only to have the meeting end in acrimony, followed by the attack on Parliament six months later.

Today Mr. Vajpayee said he was making his “third and final” effort at peace. “Even for me, it is a decisive and conclusive step,” he said, adding, “We are committed to improvement of relations with Pakistan and we are willing to grasp every opportunity to do so.”

This is typically the starting time of the “jehadi season,” as some call the infiltration of militants across mountain passes into India. There have been fears that should militants begin a major attack, as they did with the killing of 24 Hindus in Kashmir in March, India would launch limited air strikes in retaliation.

The United States Deputy Secretary of State, Richard L. Armitage, is visiting Pakistan and India next week in part because this is seen as such a critical period.

But an Indian defense official speaking on background said that there had been “nothing significant” in terms of infiltration since the end of March, when the snows melt and infiltration traditionally begins.

Another Indian official said it was essential that “it’s all the more critical now that there be a let up” — referring to infiltration and militant attacks — “because he’s really staked a lot of things.”

“It’s a very courageous sort of move,” he said of Mr. Vajpayee’s statement today.

In his comments today, Mr. Vajpayee also raised the state of economic relations between the two countries, and it is there that India may be looking for gestures from Pakistan. Pakistan still maintains a so-called “negative list” of Indian items it bars from import, and India has long been seeking most favored nation status.

The Indian decision was greeted in Pakistan.

“It is a positive and good gesture and we appreciate this, as it was required in the region,” the Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Sheik Rashid Ahmed, told news agencies there. “We believe this will be a good start and we are going to solve all our problems, including the Kashmir issue, when the diplomatic facilities will be available.”

Mr. Musharraf and Mr. Jamali were meeting with senior foreign policy officials this afternoon.

Foreign Minister Khurshid Mehmud Kasuri said on Pakistan television on Thursday night: “We should go back to pre-Dec. 13, 2001, status vis-à-vis diplomatic relations between the two countries to create a conducive atmosphere for a composite dialogue on all outstanding issues.”

A spokesman for the United States Embassy said the administration welcomed today’s developments.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/02/international/asia/03INDO-CND.html