India Pakistan Partition BBC Special Presentation

probably one of the most unbiased video on indo pak separation…most of u must have seen it… IF NOT, PLEASE DO SEE IT…i think i have seen it over 20 times…every Indian and Pakistani shd watch this video…

indians shd pay attention to video from 7.50 to 10.00 to see why muslims wanted a separate land…an indian scholar explaining it…

yes sikhs Hindus killed many muslims but muslims shd listen 50.00 to 54.00 to hear abt barbarism as well… astaghrafullah

plus ton of original videos to show misery of common people…

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Will watch the video seems interesting. The massacre took place on both sides of the borders (of Punjab and Bengal). I can't speak for the Bengalese but I don't support the partition of Punjab. The people of the area were not consulted before dividing the province (as there was no Punjabi in the fore front of the independence movement) resulting in the massacre of millions of people.

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what do you mean no punjabi at the forefront of independence movement? weren't there punjabis amongst the leaders of the congress, muslim league, and other assorted farmer/worker rights parties?

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it is a sad reality that punjab where millions died during the partition played no material role in independence…yes islamia college lahore students were active but there was no big political leader from punjab…core political leadership of mulsim league came either from central india or bangal…with aligarh and osmania universities playing the role of spiritual student centers

The Unionist Party ruled Punjab during the period of British rule in India and mainly represented the interests of the landed gentry and landlords of Punjab, which included Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs. The Unionists dominated the political scene in Punjab from World War I to the independence of South Asia, its division into India and Pakistan (and the partition of the province) in 1947. Even in 1937 elections, Unionist party was with congress…it was only just before 1946 elections that landlords of Unionist party joined muslim league as partition of subcontinent was imminent

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Contrary to widespread belief Punjab had no say in Pakistan till mid 80's with the rise of sharifs. Unionists who were ruling Punjab prior to independence didnt want to join Pakistan. The leaders of Muslim league knew that there would be no Pakistan without Punjab, hence they convinced the unionists in the end, but Punjab was among the last to enter the fray. Punjab has suffered the most due to partition, millions killed in 1947. Indian Punjab divided into three provinces, now Pakistani Punjab might be divided into 3-4 provinces, loss of language, culture and identity.

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The partition wounds mainly inflicted and borne by folks in the North. Folks in the South did not have a skin in the game. Maybe that is why for me personally, all this hate is alien concept. Never had it. And probable never will.

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You called this video unbiased? Really?

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please point out , where you found it biased.

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Perhaps the greatest evil was done by the British, who decided they had to, forgive the cliche, cut and run before anyone had any clue what was happening. That one extra year that they initially planned to stay, could given time for armies of both countries to be setup, people to move out gradually, unsettled issues to be resolved, rabble rousers would have been dealt with... Peoples lives would have been spared, peoples homes their entire lives wouldnt have been uprooted over night. Even Kashmir could have been settled if only there had been more time.

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Have you found this to be unbiased?

Added: There are many ways this movie can be proven to be biased. Will discuss when I have time.

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Ahhh! Hence your nick...

The real bitterness seems to be among Punjabis really. Pathans, Sindhis and Balochis on our side seem to have remained virtually unscathed. Hence the reason why we still have sizable numbers of Hindus and Sikhs in Sindh and KP.

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One of my schoolmates is a Sindhi. Anselm so was a person in the university. Their family probably may feel some hostility. But ibdoubt it. In all the years I knew the schoolmate topic of Pakistan didn't come up.

You are correct. The Punjabis were torn apart. They are the true cousinsx- feeling love and hate at the same time.

Growing up at the advent of TV media was not hate mongrring either. With BJP RSS on one side and their counterpart on the other this has fueled more hate.

Which brings me to the logical conclusion - the Progressives need to rise and be heard.

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Well, I mean the blood letting between Punjabis makes the hatred that much more palpable. Ofcourse, anyone forced or compelled to leave his home will feel resentment. Your Sindhi friend is no exception. But Sindh did not experience the same violence that the Punjab did.

That is the reason we still have a considerable number of Hindus still living in Sindh, while they are virtually non existent in Punjab. Although i cant speak for Indian Punjab, I suspect there arent very many muslims, atleast not in the villages.

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I haven't watched movie so far, but wanted to know what biased things it contains that are claimed to be unbiased.

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Diwana probably believes they didnt vilify the Hindus and Sikhs adequately enough for his satisfaction.

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Anyone who watches the video can see:

The scenes, the narration and the testimonials are one sided.

The video is focused on mostly Punjab/Lahore.

The scenes of mob wearing cap is shown a few times but no chanting or slogans from other sides were shown.

The chanting of Allah o Akbar is is discussed but nothing from other sides.

Every time the riots were discussed, it was mentioned that 'after Muslims attacked, Hindus and Sikhs attacked. Or When Sikhs came to know they were going to be attacked, they prepared for counter attack. A cause and effect was created one sided.

Calcutta event was shown first and again Muslims were shown to be responsible for STARTING the riots.

Sikh person was shown to be in grief but NO MUSLIM was shown in video crying.

The Muslim narrators were not ‘allowed’ or shown to be saying Non Muslims attacked their areas.’

The Hindu person and Sikh person were shown to be narrating their sides of story and personal events but Muslims person were shown to be talking in general.

The Sikh person is shown to be sad for Muslims leaving for Pakistan.

The Sikh person is shown to justify killings with his sword.

There was a majority of non-Muslims interviews.

Gandhi, Nehru were shown for a long time. Jinnah was sidelined. (The movie “Gandhi” has shown Jinnah as an ugly person who cannot speak coherently also if anyone can recall)

The comment about Jinnah was negative and he was called “cold person”. Actually Mountbatten daughter showed hatred for Jinnah.

Well, Jinnah did not fall in love with Mountbattens…the love triangle.

Too much time was spent on Gandhi and his walk across the villages.

It was not until 1:30 and 1:36 when Muslims being killed was talked about only for a short time.

The narrator stopped short of talking about Amritsar train station massacre of Muslims and did not go further. Later it was shown that the train passengers were killed brutally but again it was not specified who committed the killings.

Mr. Khan was shown to criticize the change in Lahore.

Redcliff was defended of his wrong judgment and delay in announcing the much needed border division. It is said, that is how he was! A ‘decisive man’.

Premature removal of forces were defended by saying it was unexpected that there would be a huge loss of lives. In fact hasty decision to divide the country was made without proper planning. By that time it was very evident that there will be a chaos if there was no peace keeping force available.


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A whole lot of lives could have been saved if proper planning was done and if there was really any sincerity and will to do so.

A very sad event in the history of mankind could have been avoided.

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bingo

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You have too much imaginations.

The issue is not about vilifying or glorifying anyone.


One of the main problems (besides being biased and one sided) with this video is justification of killings of Muslims.

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The bloody Gora sahib ruled on us over 200 years and when they decide to get out they were in so hurry and was avoiding to risks their few gore soldiers life to take care the the mess made by own selfish decisions. To blame on Sikhs Muslims hindus I blame everything on British the lack of planning and try to save their azzz modern histroy watch a terrified genoside.
About documentry the team tried to prove that all violence started by Muslims first Calcota killings Lahore unrest etc. The Gora sahib during their 200 years rule on us knew that how this nation are emotional on their religious beliefs but in the end Gora sahib forget everything and now trying to find the real facts behind partion mass killings. From a peacefu wealthy well cultured India to destabilized pak o hind and Waisting of millions life. British you are the responsible.