Re: India a superpower in the making
what arguments. Did Islamabad regime change from 2001-02 to 2007? If English were the criteria Pakistan would have had the edge 
… it is more about available cheap tech workers in big numbers.
Re: Hindu activists riot in Bangalore
What else are hindu idolaters known for other than insitgating riots and attacking defenceless muslims.
Re: India a superpower in the making
^ If it is only 'tech workers' wouldn't China have the upper hand? I think it is the english language that gave Indians the upper hand. But once Chinese pick up english then there will be a tough competition. Some parts (a small set) of Pakistanis speak good english but do they have the tech part? That is the problem
Re: Hindu activists riot in Bangalore
Lay off SyedAbduallah and Silly Billy! You're just loving it that there are more Hindu/Muslim problems in a small part of India. India is doing really well at the present time and you two are just jealous.
A majority of Muslims in India are doing so much for the benefit of their country and it's just a small bit of the uneducated Hindus/Muslims that cause problems.
Re: Indian Muslims are the most disadvantage group in India
More details on those shocking findings.
India’s Muslims face ‘systematic’ bias, panel finds
India’s long-cherished portrait of itself as a model of democracy and religious-cultural pluralism has been cast into doubt by a new government study. The media has begun running stories based on official data gathered by the government committee which show clearly that Muslims, India’s largest religious minority, face systematic exclusion and serious discrimination at multiple levels. Over the past fortnight, various Indian newspapers and television channels have run reports quoting statistics being collated by the Prime Minister’s High-Level Committee on the Social, Economic and Educational Status of Muslims, chaired by a former High Court judge, Rajinder Sachar. The Sachar Committee’s report has not yet been officially presented to the government. It is likely to be submitted any day, and is expected to cause a political storm. “Going by what has appeared in the media, the Committee has established a sad and shameful truth”, says Mohammed Hamid Ansari, chairman of the official National Commission on Minorities and a distinguished diplomat who served as India’s ambassador to the United Nations. “The truth is that Muslims now constitute India’s ‘new underclass’; they are worse off than the rest of the population in respect of access to public services, literacy, education, income, social mobility and jobs,” adds Ansari. "Researchers have long known this, but the truth has come out of the closet; it cannot be wished away**."Muslims form 13.4 percent of India’s population of a billion-plus people, but are seriously under-represented in schools, universities, government jobs and Parliament. They typically claim a share of only 4 to 6 percent in state employment. **In some respects, Muslims compare unfavourably even with Dalits (officially called Scheduled Castes), India’s former untouchables, who have suffered systematic, cruel discrimination for centuries at the hands of upper-caste Hindus.
Muslims fare far worse than the lower and middle orders of the caste hierarchy, officially called Other Backward Classes (OBCs), in education, employment, poverty levels and landholding. For instance, only 80 percent of urban Muslim boys are enrolled in schools, compared to 90 percent of Dalits and 95 percent of others. (Earlier, in 1965, both Muslims and Dalits had 72 percent of their urban children enrolled in schools.) In the rural areas, just 68 percent of Muslim girls are at school, compared to 72 percent of Dalit girls and 80 percent of others. The gaps have widened. In 1965, Muslim girls (52 percent enrolment) were considerably better off than Dalits (40 percent). In villages, enrolment ratios for Muslims and Dalits were 32 and 19 percent respectively. But now, Muslim girls are worse off. "If you are a Muslim, the chances are that you live in areas deprived of electricity, roads and municipal services," says Ansari. “There is growing ghettoisation of Muslims.”
Even worse is the discrimination Muslims face in respect of jobs. The Sachar Committee data from 12 states, where the Muslims’ share in total population is 15.4 percent, show that their representation in government jobs is a tiny 5.7 percent. Sadly, such under-representation is more acute in states where Muslims constitute large minorities. For instance, in West Bengal, Muslims form 25.2 percent of the population, but account for a measly 4.2 percent in government jobs. Muslims are particularly poorly represented in the judiciary, where their share can be as low of 1.5 percent (Orissa). Barring Jammu & Kashmir (67 percent of whose people are Muslim), Muslim representation in judicial services is consistently low: only 5 percent in West Bengal, and 12.3 percent in Kerala (Muslim population, 24.7 of total).
In the elite administrative, police and diplomatic cadres, Muslim representation varies from 1.6 to 3.4 percent. This is not surprising given that Muslims form a very low proportion of India’s graduates, just 3.6 percent, or under a fourth of their overall population share. Muslims are poorly represented in the armed forces, where their proportion is believed to be just 2 percent. Recently, there was a furore because the military refused to divulge this information to the Sachar Committee. Muslims are altogether excluded from “sensitive” posts like jobs in the intelligence agencies, especially the external espionage agency Research & Analysis Wing, and the National Security Guard and other elite VVIP protection forces. Their presence in the top national police and paramilitary agencies is nominal. However, there is one place where Muslims are over-represented: prisons. Muslims claim a grossly disproportionate share of prisoners, including convicts and those awaiting trials. Barring the northeastern state of Assam, their proportion in prison is considerably higher than their population share. For instance, in Maharashtra, Muslims who account for 10.6 percent of the population, form 40.6 percent of the number of prisoners. In the Delhi Capital region, the respective ratios are 11.7 and 27.9, in Gujarat 9.1 and 25.1, and Tamil Nadu 5.6 and 9.6. “This tears to shreds the claim that India is successfully overcoming the inter-religious divide and equitably assimilating Muslims”, says Rajiv Bhargava, a political theorist attached to the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies in Delhi. “That claim took a knock with the Hindu-chauvinist anti-Babri mosque movement in the mid-1980s, and the ascent of the Hindu-exclusivist Bharatiya Janata Party to national power in 1998 for six years. It was further dented by the Gujarat carnage of 2002, in which 2,000 Muslims were killed with state collusion. Now, it stands exposed as a tissue of lies,” adds Bhargava. Anti-Muslim discrimination has visibly increased as a result of the government’s “counter-terrorism” strategy, which is largely Islamophobic and involves the harsh application of discriminatory measures. This explains the large number of jailed Muslim awaiting trial. “The plain, bitter truth is that Muslims have long been the target of systematic exclusion and discrimination,” says Bhargava. “They face institutionalised religious prejudice, just as ethnic minorities from the former colonies face institutionalised racism in Western Europe, or blacks do in the United States.” This prejudice is acutely reflected in the political under-representation of Muslims. In India, only half as many, or fewer, Muslims get elected as legislators, as their population share. The proportion is abysmally low for Muslim women. Many in India used to deny this. Now, the time has come to face and remedy the situation. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh recently acknowledged this and said that it is essential for “peace and harmony” that “the minorities get a fair share in central and state government and private sector jobs.” He proposed more schools in areas with “a predominantly Muslim population.” The Left parties have been pushing for, and the government is inclined to, allocate 15 percent of all development funds for the religious minorities (which together with Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and others comprise 18.4 percent of the population). This may not be enough. There are two parts to plans to combat anti-Muslim discrimination: ending exclusion, and promoting empowerment. The proposed “special component” plan could help address the empowerment issue, if it is implemented and monitored better than official plans for, say, Dalits. “But that’ll still leave the question of exclusion largely unaddressed”, says Bhargava. “This will need bold affirmative action, including aggressive recruitment processes. Above all, it will entail appointing Muslims to ‘sensitive’ positions in police, military and intelligence agencies. Without bold action, the project of combating anti-Muslim discrimination won’t get anywhere.”
Re: India a superpower in the making
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India's economic boom is mostly domestic. Let us give credit where credit is due...and not to the english language :D
In fact, in this sense, India's growth is more impressive than China's, which relies almost entirely on exports.
Re: India a superpower in the making
Who in this world likes to buy Chinese produce. Pakistan of course.
Re: Hindu activists riot in Bangalore
I would correct you. Hindu backlash is only reciprocal. They are not proactive in fighting. Blasts in a graveyard near Mumbai were planned and executed by Muslims.. just to fuel the fight. You probably know that.
Re: Hindu activists riot in Bangalore
Each to their own, but look at Hindu Nazi-ruled Gujarat, and the state horrors inflicted against the Muslims.
Re: Indian Muslims are the most disadvantage group in India
Ibne mariam hua kare koi
iske dukh ki dawa kare koi.
Yaar marz marz chillate ho.
Dawa dhoondane ki taklif kyon nahin karte.
Re: Indian Muslims are the most disadvantage group in India
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You can read & write Urdu, DSPathania?
Re: Indian Muslims are the most disadvantage group in India
You can read & write Urdu, DSPathania?
I studied Urdu from 5th to 10th grade while in Simla. I can write a bit and read a bit, and speak a bit.I can read news paper headlines. Those who know Hindi can understand it easily because eventhough during its development in and around Delhi, it took Arabic script but grammar got based on Hindi. I would say it is a beautiful fusion language.
Gup Shup in this forum is written in urdu.
*It was a compulsory language eventhough there were hardly any muslim students in the school. Our state followed a four language formula. Hindi, English, Urdu and Sanskrit. Punjabi was optional. Punjabi of course is compulsory language in schools in Punjab. *
*In fact most of the North Indians..pre-independence generation know this language. Some of my friends in other parts were surprised to know I knew Urdu. *
*I must admit that I met some crazy characters who stated that it is a language of muslims. Well I don't accept that argument. *
*Those who don't know Urdu, cannot enjoy Urdu sher-o-shairi, ghazal etc. For enjoying these one need not be an expert in Urdu. 200-300 common usage words are good enough to enjoy ghazals. Most of Indians unfortunately miss enjoying melodious ghazals of various singers such as Ghulam Ali, Jagjit Singh, Ludhianvi etc. *
Re: India a superpower in the making
In fact, in this sense, India's growth is more impressive than China's, which relies almost entirely on exports.
That is true too
Re: India a superpower in the making
Are you saying China is lagging behind India? 
China has different part of tech covered while India has other aspect.
Re: India a superpower in the making
Yeah, and US and other parts of the world runs on American products or their own products?
Re: India a superpower in the making
In fact, in this sense, India's growth is more impressive than China's, which relies almost entirely on exports.
So does India's too, software export.
Re: India a superpower in the making
India has a long long way to go. Situation is miserable in many cases. The divide between rich and poor growing. And india is not represented by those people who can use english and internet.
P.S. I dont agree with all this super power talk. We dont have to be superpower. Our objective should be to just make its people happier (atleast materially) and more safer. We dont have to be superpowers by overtaking others.
Re: Hindu activists riot in Bangalore
And history of riots in India reveals that not Hindus but one another community has instigated riots and voilence in most of the cases.
Guess who???
Re: India a superpower in the making
P.S. I dont agree with all this super power talk. We dont have to be superpower. Our objective should be to just make its people happier (atleast materially) and more safer. We dont have to be superpowers by overtaking others.
Singh Saheb,
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Superpower ka idea mera nahin. It was somebody else. If we have to be like American probably we need 200 years but I don't think should be the objective. Most important is to eradicate poverty and corruption. Still a long way to go.
Re: Hindu activists riot in Bangalore
The brahmin who is on the payroll of the zionists? Its a shame, these innocent muslims will never receive justice from the hindu 'people'.