This newstory again confirms that Indian democracy only works for Hindus. Our Muslim brothers are toiling in Hindu dominated India…
Muslims in India are even more disadvantaged than low-caste Hindus, a report commissioned by the government in Delhi suggests.
The report says India’s 138m Muslims are poorer and less educated and suffer from higher unemployment and greater mortality than other religious groups.
Details of the report - yet to be published - have been leaked to the local media.
Some ministers are already calling for affirmative action for Muslims.
The Hindu-nationalist BJP party has said it will oppose any system of quotas for Muslims.
BJP General Secretary Arun Jaitley said the Indian constitution does not allow for reservation on the basis of religion and the government should not use the report as a launch pad for religion-based reservation.
India currently implements reservations for disadvantaged castes, but not for religious groups.
Correspondents say India prides itself on being a pluralistic secular democracy. It is often pointed out that India is home to the world’s biggest minority, and that there are more Muslims in India than in all of Pakistan, the BBC’s Anu Anand in Delhi reports.
But our correspondent says it is unclear how far the government can go to improve Muslims’ status in a country that has been torn apart by Hindu-Muslim riots, and has witnessed acts of terror widely blamed on Muslims.
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If there are a 138m muslims in Indian, how is that more than Pakistan? The Indian government always uses the statement that "India has more muslims than Pakistan," as some sort of justification. Do they think that by stating this they will prove that India is a better place for muslims than Pakistan, due to a larger number of muslims choosing to remain in India? I think they should include Bangladesh in this since it is also a muslim majority nation that opted to leave Indian. With Pakistan's and Bangladesh's populations combined, there are nearly 300m muslims who opted to leave India.
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Yeah, Indians always like to wear this as a badge against Pakistan, the notion that there are more Muslims in India then Pak… Their logic is stupid though and rather selective…They always forget to include Bangladesh, which was also a part of the Partition package lest they forget. Include Bangladesh and the combined population is nearly 300 million.
Also, who trusts Indias estimates of the Muslim Population!
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Did u wonder why then the christians are in all walks of indian life more represented than their percentage of population demands.
Quotas are screwed up method to ensure percentage representation. 60 years of quota for schedule caste and tribes never lifted a majority of them out of poverty or backwerdness. These quotas will only help the rich in their caste or religion.
For any disadvantage people the key is primary education. It should be free and i am all for giving even money incentives to parents of girl children to sent their children to school.
These people talking about reservation are only talking for the sake of getting votes.
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For muslims they should give more importance to education than to mundane religious stuffs. If they do that i think they can as well be more represented. Now they are only more represented in Indian jails.
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Indian Muslims dont give stress on Education. Many prefer to send to Urdu medium schools rather than English medium schools. Many still have large families and do not practice birth control.
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I Fully agree vinesh. Actually Dalit and SC/ST Muslims already have reservations. So why should the creamy layer get any ? The worst part was when Arjun Singh declared that even the creamy layer of SC/Sts and Dalits will get quotas, which is antithesis to the very concept of reservation.
This new proposal will get them even more Muslim votes nothing else.
Muslim community is more concerned over Sania Mirza's dress, to sing Vande Mataram or no, that Imrana must marry her own father-in-law, and declare fatwas that Insurance policies are haraam.
How can this community ever progress in this case ?
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I thought education was free in India for everybody? If a certain percentage of muslims in India feel they are disadvantaged they should take full advantage of the fact that education is free and show how successful they can be and that they can contribute positively to the betterment of India.
Parsi Indians(Zorastrian religion) are a minority as well but almost every Parsi is so successful. They've done so much for their country.
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I agree with that. Parsi community is the most egalitarian community in India.
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I thought education was free in India for everybody? If a certain percentage of muslims in India feel they are disadvantaged they should take full advantage of the fact that education is free and show how successful they can be and that they can contribute positively to the betterment of India.
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There are probably equal number of Urdu-medium schools and Madrassas in India as there are in Pakistan, yet Muslims are shy and don't want to study beyond their madrassas (higher education) unlike their foreign counterparts.
Captain1, hundreds of thousands of Muslim children were instructed not to sing Vande Mataram (though many did, as in Madhya Pradesh). Muslim clerics issue fatwas like insurance is haraam, and they dispense thousands of their cases as per Shariat law all over India. One example : A woman Imrana was forced to marry her own father-in-law who raped her.
Now this one caught the media's attention but so many such cases go unnoticed.
What I want to say is, unless they come out of the stranglehold of their madrassas and clerics, no incentives can help them.
(Another example : About a month ago, the All India Muslim Personal Law Board passed a law saying that now, Muslim women can also divorce their husbands. So upto now, if 50% of the population was under wraps how can the community succeed ?)
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Can i have some authentic stuff. Well they are no mundane religious stuff than what media reveals and its Bakwaas stuff. They are more issues in Hindu that way too.
Well since I dont wotn to digress the topic, the Muslims do always have a problem and there is lots of political motive behind this. Now, if you believe it is not the case, numerous of my well educated friends are targeted.
Let it be in the field of sports, studies. But in general the Muslims are in the world of there own myth. Prophet always exhorted in knowledge to all the Muslims coz Action without knowledge is illusion.
Well if the Muslims of today read the Quran and the Hadith, well and reason themselves they wil be far ahead. Well the media, should stop some bakwaas and look into core issues in India. Well I have never seen Muslims, being a thorn in India, simple reason politicians literally beg the Muslims for there votes.
Well secondary, I personally dont wont any quotas for the Muslims, let them damn work hard in life and come up. The Muslims, otherwise will remain a weak group they have to be proactive and kick the Quota system, coz this only shows weakness.
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this study once again proved Two nation right, So called secular India failed huge numbers of its Muslim population. Anywhere in world any dominated democracy by one group will have ultimately impact social lives of the other group.
Some now blaming they fill more jails etc instead of thinking as national level to handel this problem, If Muslims has problems then If government just want the show, thats not the solution at all. They should be engaged and be provided with more representation. That will not be possible in relegious and caste based democracy. Hindus are more in numbers they are bound to dominate other groups. for this very same reason Pakistan (&Bangladesh) was created.
other argument, more Muslims decided to live in India absured, un equal land allocation was reason to blame. They didnt chose to live in India but they had to live there.
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richest man in India is a muslim.number 1 bollywood actor is a muslim.You can't say that India is discriminating against muslims like Nazi Germany was discriminating against Jews,but discrimination against muslims does exist.I have heard there are neighborhoods in India where muslims are not allowed to buy a home or live.What happened in Gujarat recently was an eye opener for those who have regarded India as a secular country.India is not a secular country,otherwise you would see a lot of hindus and muslims getting married to eachother there... and religion would not be playing a huge role in the lives of people.
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Add to that 5 Muslim cricketers (Irfan, Zaheer, Kaif, Wasim Jaffer and Munaf Patel), besides one who has captained India (Mohamad Azharuddin). Also three Muslim Presidents and UP and Bihar assemblies being loaded with Muslim MLAs.
Even BJP has a Muslim spokesperson (Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi), it govt. had a Muslim minister for Civil Aviation (Shahnawaz Hussain), and a female Muslim Rajya Sabha MP (Najma Heptullah).
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What happened in Gujarat recently was an eye opener for those who have regarded India as a secular country.
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That was done by a group of fanatics aided by their mentors in power. Also, 250 Hindus were also killed in those riots.
I'll give you a counter example : When M F Hussain drew nude paintings of Hindu goddesses, how many Muslims were killed and how many mosques or madrassas wer burnt ? NONE. Now when some cartoons were drawn, the entire Muslim world was up in flames.
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India is not a secular country,otherwise you would see a lot of hindus and muslims getting married to eachother there... and religion would not be playing a huge role in the lives of people.
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I guess its in Pakistan, Iran and Thailand where people wear religion on their sleeves. Besides, intermarriage is not an indicator of secularism, but an individual choice. Also, its not that Muslims are dying to get married to Hindus while Hindus are not relenting; fact is that Christians, Muslims and HIndus usually do not intermarry.
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Muslims donot practice birth control? Are you out fo your damn mind. India'as population is increasing everyday, and hindus are the FASTESt growing group there. india is bent on replacing china as the worlds most populous country very soon. Just the indian state of uttar pradesh has a population(175 million) which is larger then then almost all countries in the world(including pakistan), and most of utar pradesh residents are hindus.
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India would be one of the last countries to be discriminating on the basis of religion since the prime minister is a sikh and the president right now is a muslim. Even the United States has only had christians as presidents so far and that too protestant christians right?.
Did Pakistan ever have a Hindu, Sikh or Parsi as a leader in its history?
If only education was given more importance or as much importance as religion by all people in India including Hindus and Muslims then India could go so far.
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Let it be in the field of sports, studies. But in general the Muslims are in the world of there own myth. Prophet always exhorted in knowledge to all the Muslims coz Action without knowledge is illusion.
Well if the Muslims of today read the Quran and the Hadith, well and reason themselves they wil be far ahead. Well the media, should stop some bakwaas and look into core issues in India. Well I have never seen Muslims, being a thorn in India, simple reason politicians literally beg the Muslims for there votes.
Well secondary, I personally dont wont any quotas for the Muslims, let them damn work hard in life and come up. The Muslims, otherwise will remain a weak group they have to be proactive and kick the Quota system, coz this only shows weakness.
It is authentic that muslims are over represented in Indian jails. And who said hindus dont have problems.. ofcource yes..they have huge problem.. if that wasnt the case then only 140 million would have been below poverty line. And that exactly my point. The politicians wants a solid vote bank , the way the yadavs vote in Bihar and Up after the mandal commission report. Muslims are also a vote bank and this congress ministry is trying to tap into it or vean away the muslim vote bank away from the yadav parties. The survey that has been commissioned by the govt is an authentic survey and discussion is based on that. Do muslims need quota or not.
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Sorry dear thats far from truth. Muslims are the fastest growing religious group in India. Mostly because of larger birth rate and also immigration from bangladesh. Most of them in UP and westbengal. Even in Kerala where i come from there are two districts with 80% muslim population, these are the districts which has a positive birth rate while the rest of the state are in the negative.
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I cant honestly believe India si trying to pin their rapid population growth on muslims?
hey vineshvk, do you know of an area in india where muslims are the majoirty but they are facing high negative population growth rate due to the fact many of the men, women and little children there are being murdered every day, the place is called Kashmir.