On this one I would rather believe the Pak press & military :)
Forgot 9/11 ?
Punjabee,
You mentioned 9/11, how many other attacks have they had since. They have improved there intelligence, and infiltrated all most of the Jihadi groups that are fighting them. Same goes for the Isrealis, after the spate of suicide bombings, they infiltrated and destroyed Hamas.
I have been to India on a few occassions, and seen your over weight, lazy and corrupt cops. I had to pleasure to see one chase after a chor, and not catching him. The equipment they have is a joke.
You have had countless attacks, but still not been able to infiltrate and destroy these groups. RAW is a joke, and rated pretty lowly. As I said, it suits some of the PAk establishment to exgerate your importance.
As the old saying goes the Indian security establishment couldn't organize a piss up in brewery. The only thing going for you is that the Pak security establishment is just as incompetent, lazy and corrupt as yours. But it also suits your commentators to exagerate the potency of the ISI.
As I said in an earlier post, we have a zero versus zero situation.
You are right, i was mistaken on this based upon what i was told by Afghan pashtuns.
Pakistans policy is not based upon the language like pashtun so is the policy of all governments. You play your cards according to situation. Pakistan has to see what suits its own interests. Pakistan logically has to have friendly reatiosn with people that border it, which are pashtuns.
Instead Pakistan has always pursued the notion that Afghanistan must a loyal vassal state or at the least a compliant smaller brother state that depends on Pakistan. They use meaningless jargon such as strategic depth - it's been several decades and all it's done is get them into strategic pits. Now it's more like the Afghan taleban has strategic depth inside Pakistan!
Instead Pakistan has always pursued the notion that Afghanistan must [be] ....a compliant smaller ..... state that depends on Pakistan. ....
Ipod bhai,
Pakistan doesn't have to "pursue" something that is a fundamental fact in case of Afghanistan.
FACT #1- Afghanistan is ~1/20th size of Pak
FACT #2- Afghanistan has always "depended" on Pak for ALL of its food, clothing, and other imports.
Pakistan only wants few things from Kabulis. ACCEPT and RESPECT Pak because we feed them, clothe them, and take care of them whenever they need us.
Unfortunately the problem squarely lies with Kabuli Tribals. They are living in an era of 200 years ago, when Afghan hoards could at their will, swing into modern day Pak and India and loot and plunder and make marry.
These pathetics are like:
Russi jal ga-ee but bul nahin giya.
Kabulies need to accept that Durand line here to stay
Kabulies need to realize that the days of Afghan hoardism are gone, so be a peaceful, and respectful neighbor. Do not use India to play anti-Pak politics and thrown dirt on your neighbor who feeds you and clothes you.
Kabulies should not think that Gora boots will remain there to forever. They are temporary, and thus deal with us, and resolve all the border issues and move on.
Bringing some Taliban in to the power set up in afghanistan is just common sense.
But Pakistan needs to have a good relationship with the Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara leadership. Isn't it ironic that our heroes like Ghazanavi and Ghori are Tajik, and there culture influence on Pakistan has been tremendous. We need to ditch this Pashtun centric policy. The Pashtuns are actually are a minority in Afghanistan, and not the majority, as that ISI agent Hamid Mir would have us think.
Where was that common sense, when many people here were calling for obliterating Taliban. The problem with the US and Pakistan is that they think that the Taliban are some independent and well defined entity that can be vanquished. How wrong was everyone?
Pakhtuns are the majority in Afghanistan. When was the last credible census taken there? Not in the last 25 years. Non-Pakhtun out-migration alone has been higher and would tip the balance towards Pakhtuns.
Go ahead and ditch the policy. You are already hated by the widest cross-section of people in Afghanistan, ditching Pakhtuns will be another brilliant move. Mark these words: Afghanistan is a Pakhtun majority country which will be mostly governed by Pakhtuns in the near future.
Speaking of heroes, the mythmaking in Pakistan is rich. How ironic is it that most people think of themselves as some outside conquerers when the reality is that Pakistan is a nation of conquered peoples.
US State Dept is hardly an unbiased source. With the Durand line being a soft border, it’s not exactly accurate to base any estimates. Reagrdless, lets talk about the real power in Afghanistan, you and I both know the answer.
As for the change in policy: I REPEAT how do you propose accomplishing that when every group from the Tajiks to the Baluchis hate you?
You are too much of a coward to respond to my questions and yet post this nonsensical blanket statement filled with childish swear words as if you think posting something like that gives your argument any validity.
Why are you so obsessive in your support of India?!?! Its like you intentionally go out of your way to undermine Pakistan...
why is so difficult for Pakistanis to comprehend the simple fact that their politicians, lawyers and anyone else that depends upon the Pakistani public support for their well being have no choice but to blame India? That is their meal ticket.
The Pak govet cannot maintain law and order - so blame India for the ruckus
The Pak military cannot remain in its place and needs ever larger chunks of industry and land mass - blame India
The snake oil salesmen such as Zadi Hamid cannot earn a honest buck - so blame India and call upon ghost theories
I am just waiting for Mr.Afridi to find a way to blame his hunger for a leather sback on India
And how is that any different from Indias obsession with Pakistan? You Indians blame Pakistan for everything from the weather to Acid indigestion..
Probably true. But how else do you expect India to respond to Pakistan's involvement in sponsoring terrorism in India ?
Fair enough, but occupied Kashmir isnt a part of India, and is recognized intenationally as a disputed territory. Balochistan on the other hand is a recognized part of Pakistan.
Instead Pakistan has always pursued the notion that Afghanistan must a loyal vassal state or at the least a compliant smaller brother state that depends on Pakistan. They use meaningless jargon such as strategic depth - it's been several decades and all it's done is get them into strategic pits. Now it's more like the Afghan taleban has strategic depth inside Pakistan!
Hardly... Pakistan will do whats in its best interest. If strategic depth means preventing Indians from using Afghanistan to undermine Pakistan interests, then is more then reasonable to assume Pakistan will do its best to prevent such an outcome.
And lets not beat around the bush. Indians are just as involved in Afghanistan as any other country. Their aims may be different, their jargon may be different, but Indians are jostling for influence as much as Pakistan.
From Pakistan's perspective, Afghanistan is strategically to important to simply ignore.
As for the stratgic depth of the Afghan Taliban, I doubt you have much credibility to make such a broad statement. The CIA can only conjecture on the extent of the Talibans reach or strategic depth in Pakistan. I think you underestimate the complexity of the problem. This after all is not Indias domain of influence and never really has been, so I doubt India or Indians have any genuine input on the situation.