Well it will help you if you would pay attention on Pakistani media rather then following Indian media ;)
Does the Pakistani Media include the great Zaid Hamid who has said repeatedly that Trucks filled with weapons are coming into FATA and yet has failed utterly to provide any proof?
Is that the Pakistani media you are talking about?
Pakistani Media is filled with hype, opinionated nonsense, stereotypes, racism, conjecture and conspiracy theories.
I don't watch Indian Media.
LMAO! You won't see the truth or accept it even if it bite you in the ass. Even if this evidence was placed infront of you you would say it was faked.
Nothing is worse than a self-hating Paki.
Above is a very lame reply to a very points raised by Mercenary. It's based on rhetoric rather than substance.
Calling those who reject India's patronage of Taliban as "Self-hating Pakistanis"? This is why I see Taliban-supporters in Pakistan as another form Christian Evangelicals of America. Both are arrogant and ignorant.
His analysis was about Artillery Shells and saying that certain shells were mislabeled. Those shells could have been stolen from countless areas.
So is that all the evidence you have about India's involvement?
Aren't there any intercepted communications by RAW agents directing attacks?
Aren't there any weapons that can be traced back to India just like what USA found in Iraqi Insurgents being supplied by Iran?
Is there any documents that link India, either financially, economically and military to these types of activities?
I mean a bunch of mislabeled shells is that the proof of Indian involvement?
And what about these trucks filled with ammo coming from Afghanistan that Zaid Hamid keeps barking about?
I have yet to see a picture of these trucks or its contents laid out in front of the cameras.
And these Indian consulates. Why hasn't the ISI intercepted any communication from these consulates which shows proof of RAW involvement?
Aren't there any captured Taliban militants which can tell of how they were directed by RAW?
Is RAW really that good that they can turn Western Pakistan into a virtual war zone and ISI really that inept that they have failed utterly to prevent such things?
And why isn't USA pressuring India to stop this. Doesn't the United States lose if Pakistan falls apart?
And why would India's Taliban allies keep attacking its embassies in Afghanistan?
Did India bomb its own embassy killing over 100 people and blame that on Taliban?
If RAW is behind Pakistani Taliban, that means that those 9 CIA agents were killed by that Jordanian double agent was acting on the behest of RAW?
So why does India want to target CIA agents in Afghanistan?
If India controls the Taliban, then why doesn't USA ask India to give up Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda?
Is Osama bin Laden now a RAW and Zionist and CIA agent?
Is RAW responsible for 9/11?
This conspiracy nonsense makes ZERO sense and falls apart when probed with questions. And anyone stupid enough to believe it needs to be send to the mental asylum.
Blaming India for a problem Pakistan created internally is not doing Pakistan any favors.
Every single day India leaps ahead of Pakistan in almost every field while Pakistan everyday resembles Iraq and Somalia.
And instead of coming up with a united solution on how to tackle this problem, we blame this boogey man (India/Israel/RAW/Mossad/Jews/Zionists/USA/BlackWater etc....) for all the problems in Pakistan.
all very good questions. zaid hamid team has an easy fairytale answer to all of this, which not so surprisingly his followers lap up without a blink. its called afghan taliban vs. TTP. when things happen against indian interests, it is at the hands of afghan taliban. when events happen against pakistani interests, it is the handiwork of india-sponsored TTP.
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I have seen accusations made. I have seen accusations challenged. I haven't seen accusations proven or challenges ever responded to.
In sum, pure rubbish
u
kaleem_butter is obviously a re-incarnation of a banned member
maybe bitter_reality....
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Proof of Indian hand South Waziristan: army
Proof of India’s involvement in militancy found
By Our Staff Reporter
Tuesday, 03 Nov, 2009
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has found concrete evidence of India’s involvement in militancy in South Waziristan and decided to take up the matter with New Delhi.
This was disclosed by Information Minster Qamar Zaman Kaira and military spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas at a press briefing on the progress of operation Rah-i-Nijat here on Monday. It was the first time in recent times that Pakistan had pointed fingers at India from a forum having representation of political and military leadership.
Mr Kaira said although it had been decided to raise the issue with India, Pakistan would not deviate from the peace process.
**Gen Abbas said a huge quantity of Indian arms and ammunition, literature, medical equipment and medicines had been recovered from Sherawangi area, near Kaniguram. He said the Foreign Office had been informed and the matter would be taken up with the Indian authorities through diplomatic channels.
Sources in the Foreign Office said a dossier containing proofs of India’s involvement in South Waziristan would soon be handed over to officials in New Delhi.**
KANIGURAM TAKEN: Gen Abbas said security forces had secured control of Kaniguram, a redoubt of Uzbek fighters.
He said there were fortified positions and bunkers in the area which were being used by militants in possession of modern weaponry. The entire area had been cleared of mines and improvised explosive devices (IEDs). Five truckloads of arms and ammunition were recovered from the area on Monday, he added.
The ISPR chief said the Karama village, to the east of Kanigurma, was also under control of security forces now. He said the village used to be a stronghold of Uzbek militants. Some other strategically important points around Kaniguram had also been secured, he said.
In reply to a question about winding up of some checkposts by the Nato forces on Pakistan’s border in Afghanistan, he said: “We have been told that it was a readjustment.”
He said Pakistan had sought information on the ‘readjustment’ because closure of posts in sensitive areas would affect the military operation.
He rejected a perception that prior announcement about the operation in South Waziristan gave time to militants to get ready, saying that security forces kept on making preparations when aerial strikes were being conducted to decimate the militants.
The army spokesman said the operation was progressing as per plans. He said militants had been surprised and defeated on all fronts. It was not clear whether top leadership of the Taliban had escaped to North Waziristan or was still in the area.
He said many militants were withdrawing from the fight and moving closer to the heart of the region. They were bound to be trapped there, he added.
The aim of the operation was not just to eliminate militants but also to dislodge them from their fortifications, sanctuaries and hideouts. ‘If they are dislodged, we will be moving very close to victory,’ he remarked.
Gen Abbas said troops were extending their ‘perimeter of security’ on the Jandola-Sararogha axis and closing in on Sararogha. Expansion of positions held on the ridges from different directions towards Sararogha was in progress. Sporadic mortar and small arms fire was being received by security forces from different areas of the town, he added.
He said security forces were consolidating their positions on the ridges along the Razmak-Makeen road, on the Razmak-Makeen axis. The important village of China, just adjacent to Makeen, had been secured and a huge cache of arms and ammunition recovered from huts, caves and compounds.
Security forces had neutralised 20 IEDs in the village, secured Kam Narakai and recovered huge ammunition, Gen Abbas added.
Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira rejected reports that US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had asked Pakistan to launch an operation in North Waziristan and Balochistan. In reply to a question, he said the Inter-Services Intelligence chief’s visit to Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with the country’s political scene.
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^ I think this claim and report was subsequently disproved. You're recycling old allegations that have been thrown out
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lol yes, in fact when they started showing pics of the shells of "indian" origin, it turned out to be chinese made. pretty embarassing.
lol yes, in fact when they started showing pics of the shells of "indian" origin, it turned out to be chinese made. pretty embarassing.
Queer,
I accept that the TTP has nothing to do with India.
But even you have to accept the Indian interference in Baluchistan, support of other nascent ethnic movements like Baloristan (in Gilgit), and possible the occassional bomb blast.
I believe all these desperate attempts by Paki fundos to link India to the Taliban lets you guys off. You are interfering in our country, but this Salafist madness is all our creation. Once we try to blame you for the TTP, no one takes seriuosly.
That h---r---mkh----r Zaid Hamid and other nut cases actually help you guys.
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Original pic supplied by Pakistani Army.
Vutt is Dat? Chinese-Hindi? 
http://img134.yfrog.com/img134/6213/indianammo.jpg
Also turns out India doesnt make 82mm mortars. Those shells in the middle are russian-made. afsos…
Doubtful on any reconciliation with Dari speakers. Pakistan needs to look out for it's best interests which is supporting the majority Pakhtun population in Afghanistan.
Some time back people were talking about crushing the Taliban, where are those people now? I have always argued for reconciliation with the moderate elements and moving forward. The US is looking to exit the region, guess who will be back? :D
Bringing some Taliban in to the power set up in afghanistan is just common sense.
But Pakistan needs to have a good relationship with the Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara leadership. Isn't it ironic that our heroes like Ghazanavi and Ghori are Tajik, and there culture influence on Pakistan has been tremendous. We need to ditch this Pashtun centric policy. The Pashtuns are actually are a minority in Afghanistan, and not the majority, as that ISI agent Hamid Mir would have us think.
But even you have to accept the Indian interference in Baluchistan, support of other nascent ethnic movements like Baloristan (in Gilgit), and possible the occassional bomb blast.
Probably true. But how else do you expect India to respond to Pakistan's involvement in sponsoring terrorism in India ?
I am going to do a read my lips, the TTP are not armed by the Indians.
But alot of our **headaches **are caused by you guys.
Dhanewad
Probably true. But how else do you expect India to respond to Pakistan's involvement in sponsoring terrorism in India ?
Punjabee,
The point is we have both interfered in each others affairs. You used your influence in Afghanistan to isolate the Paks. Now I accept that the Pak press and military exagerate your successes there. I for one rate RAW and your defence establishment poorly. I can't imagine something like Mumbai happening in the west or isreal.
So lets both have sensible attitude and work towards reducing tension in Afghanistan. The Afghan people deserve a break.
Now I accept that the Pak press and military exagerate your successes there. I for one rate RAW and your defence establishment poorly.
On this one I would rather believe the Pak press & military :)
I can't imagine something like Mumbai happening in the west or isreal.
Forgot 9/11 ?
Bringing some Taliban in to the power set up in afghanistan is just common sense.
But Pakistan needs to have a good relationship with the Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara leadership. Isn't it ironic that our heroes like Ghazanavi and Ghori are Tajik, and there culture influence on Pakistan has been tremendous. We need to ditch this Pashtun centric policy. The Pashtuns are actually are a minority in Afghanistan, and not the majority, as that ISI agent Hamid Mir would have us think.
Pashtuns are 55-60%, others 40-45%.
In the end any country will deal with those who hold real power, and secondarily by the willingness of other party to co-operate.
Pashtuns are 55-60%, others 40-45%.
How do you know,there are some analysts who believe in afghanistan no real census has been undertaken.
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why is so difficult for Pakistanis to comprehend the simple fact that their politicians, lawyers and anyone else that depends upon the Pakistani public support for their well being have no choice but to blame India? That is their meal ticket.
The Pak govet cannot maintain law and order - so blame India for the ruckus
The Pak military cannot remain in its place and needs ever larger chunks of industry and land mass - blame India
The snake oil salesmen such as Zadi Hamid cannot earn a honest buck - so blame India and call upon ghost theories
I am just waiting for Mr.Afridi to find a way to blame his hunger for a leather sback on India
Chaudry Sahib,
According to the US State Department, the Pashtuns are 40%. As has been said, there has been no census in Afghanistan ever. So the figures are all estimates. But Afghanistan is physically and culturally divided by the Hindu Kush mountains. Groups to the North like the Tajik, Hazara, Uzbek and Turkmen have links with central asia. While south of these mountains, we have Pashtuns, Baluch, Nuristanis and Gujjars, as well as smaller groups like the Paracha and Burki with links to South Asia.
I say we should ditch the Pashtun centric policy, and reach out to all groups.