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Some part of American space programme is also patriotic. What is the need for Bush to revive the moon mission. Did Armstrong forgot his match box, so he need to go back to get it.
This was done much to counter Chinese missions in space.
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There is nothing wrong in it. It definitely might act as a motivating factor(initially). but it is just my opinion that, it should be done first for scientific/commercial reasons, and patriotism should come next. Many indians tend to get tooo proud for these things out of ultra-nationalism/jingoism and place patriotism first. and yes, american and russian space programs were out of patriotic reasons. But have to mention that as of now, US space program is more for scientific reasons and patriotism is something which is second. Even earlier, i don't tend to believe that missions like Voyager of NASA were more out of patriotic reasons but they were rather scientific. But russian program was out of sheer nationalism
And why shouldn't they be proud. I am definitely proud.
Anyways, In ancient times the most powerful nation was the one that had great horse riding skills (Mongols) which signified the rule over land, then the British were most powerful - this signified the rule over sea, then Americans were most powerful because they rule the skies. Now again US is most powerful becuse they rule the space too. So Indian space program is strategically very significant in ensuring that India remains a powerful and self relaint nation.
The other reason is that when you show the world that you can do it, then you get the respect and the world tends to listen to you.
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And why shouldn't they be proud. I am definitely proud.
Nothing wrong in it and i didn't tell that they shouldn't be. Only thing is such pride out of patriotism should take a second position while undertaking all these missions. It is business and science which should get more attention than patriotism.
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I understand what you are trying to say, but I think one of the most important factor in Nation building is patritism. Business and economics come second.
US refused to give Supercomp tech to India, then it was Patritism of India to say we would develop our own. PARAM was developed.
US gave bad grains to India - this was the start of the Green revolution in India.
In both these instances if we had no patritism and we only thought of business we could not have acieved anything.
India did learn from these and now we do not need anyones help to reach outer space, rather we can help others.
"We can do it" is something you have to tell yourself to achieve something. Likewise for a country.
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Many Indians won't agree/think along with what I am going to say.
All this indian space program is being pursueid more out of patriotic reasons and not really for scientific reasons. I don't agree with this approach. It should be more out scientific and commericial reasons (but it is true that to a certain extent for the sake of business it is being done).
will u plz elaborate on that.
As far as indian space progam is concerned it was always for scientific and commercial reasons.who can forget the early dd telcasts on insat satellites in 1980s.when dd was dependent on foreign transponders for telecast of 8pm -12pm prime time slot the afternoon telecast started on insat during 1986. 1pm to 2 pm live telecast of UGC programs on physics calculus chemistry were like huge help for students(if anyone cared to watch it).how about metreological weather forecasting services of insat series.terrain mapping etcetc.how can u say that these were not for commercial and scientific purpose.And to launch thses satellite u need ur own rockets thereby cutting the launch cost for india.check with isro site today isro sells data from its satellites to many in gulf countries iran,usa,uk,germany,even to china singapore, saudi uses insat transponders for its broadcasting services.today isro can launch satellites of the max weight 2.5 ton .to launch satellite above 25 ton capacities it needs bigger rockets and hence there involves the scientific purpose of isro program.chandrayaan mission has its own purpose as of taking 1st step to sending future space probes to interplanetary mission.today isro holds 5-10% value in smaller satellite launch market.and to cut into the bigger pie u ve to prove ur big rockets like gslv.if its not all has scientific and commercial purpose then u tell me plz wat its all about.
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then aren't arabs hypocrities, defending the palestinians and yet forging stronger ties with countries who have excellent relations with Israel and yet not forging ties with countries who support the palestinian like Pakistan
I wouldn't say they are not (I am talking about governments here).
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will u plz elaborate on that.
I don't have anything more to elaborate. Just go to any such discussions concerning ISRO in any forum, you will see many indians going jingoistic of all these. What is the intention of doing all these?...is it more out of patriotic reasons or about real issues?...I think it more about the former than the latter. Ofcourse, everyone is free to do what they want, then at the same time i too have my own opinions.
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I don't have anything more to elaborate. Just go to any such discussions concerning ISRO in any forum, you will see many indians going jingoistic of all these. What is the intention of doing all these?...is it more out of patriotic reasons or about real issues?...I think it more about the former than the latter. Ofcourse, everyone is free to do what they want, then at the same time i too have my own opinions.
arent u joining the same jingoistic brigade albeit the other side.instead of concentrating the ppl gloats in comments sections,forum etc y dont u look into the isros track record itself.yes u r free to make ur own opinions after all we all live in a democracy but then dont make opinion based on forum discussion but look into the real picture of it.end of discussion.
ciao.
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arent u joining the same jingoistic brigade albeit the other side.
according to me no. The meaning of jingoism means excessive patriotism.
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instead of concentrating the ppl gloats in comments sections,forum etc y dont u look into the isros track record itself.yes u r free to make ur own opinions after all we all live in a democracy but then dont make opinion based on forum discussion but look into the real picture of it.end of discussion.
ciao.
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And i know, ISRO meets almost all of its deadlines. They must even have a timetable as to what is to be done at what time. and my opinion is not just based on forum discussions, but by other things as well...but yes, ISRO is better than other govt orgs.
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^lol what is "excessive patriotism...Its called extremism
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:DWell, this is going to put quite the damper on nude sunbathing for you guys...
No wait, it can't detect objects smaller than 10cm, yer all safe....
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These days every midsize country needs a space program. Purpose is not to send rockets to moon but acquire satellite communications capability, sateliite snooping (eye in the sky) and even sateliite based missile guidance systems.
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:DWell, this is going to put quite the damper on nude sunbathing for you guys...
No wait, it can't detect objects smaller than 10cm, yer all safe....
Wow dude! so you finally found something to make you 10.1 eh? ;)
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^^ Yup!
But I hear that Pfizer is recoloring the little blue pill a nice Pakistani green for you guys....
As long as the Israelis are looking in on you, you might as well give them a good laugh.
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In short, the Pakistanis are jealous/afraid the Indians have such capability.
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Re: India launches Israeli Spy Satellite
Sending up Israeli satellite represents a number of things:
** Technological prowess Good profitable business Expanded defence capability International trust, credibility**
Instead of turning this into yet another muslim jew controversy, if you had any sense, the discussion should be on how India achieved such capability and whether it is a necessary goal for pakistan.
All your points make sense other jew theories is rubbish
Adnan Khashoggi the biggest Saudi arms dealer once sold arms to Israel when asked about selling arms to Arabs arch rivals he said business is business
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I understand what you are trying to say, but I think one of the most important factor in Nation building is patritism. Business and economics come second. US refused to give Supercomp tech to India, then it was Patritism of India to say we would develop our own. PARAM was developed. US gave bad grains to India - this was the start of the Green revolution in India. In both these instances if we had no patritism and we only thought of business we could not have acieved anything. India did learn from these and now we do not need anyones help to reach outer space, rather we can help others. "We can do it" is something you have to tell yourself to achieve something. Likewise for a country.
Exactly my thoughts.
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In short, the Pakistanis are jealous/afraid the Indians have such capability.
not really
all of this technology was imported from russia
what pisses me off is that here is India enjoying excellent relations with both Israel and the Arabs and Iran
why can't Pakistan do the same?
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^I think you need to read on Pak history starting from 1980s, then you will know how much of a joy we had working hand in hand with Israel.
Go figure!