India lacks the political and military capacity to attack Pak.

Rule of thumb, India is 1 percent reality and 99 percent noise.

MANOJ JOSHI

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

NEW DELHI: Jaswant Singh, George Fernandes and L K Advani have said India does not intend to cross the 740-km Line of Control and strike at terrorist training camps in Pakistan.

To assuage the domestic constituency, periodic statements to the contrary also surface, fuelling tension with Pakistan and concern across the world. ** But, according to a senior government official, the reality is somewhat different. As he puts it, ‘‘India lacks the political and military capacity to conduct such a strike, **especially at this juncture.’’

‘‘Military compulsions’’ is another term used for saying that India lacks the military capacity. Defence specialists say that a strike can be conducted either with an Air Force strike or an action by a commando team ferried by helicopters. ‘‘Both are fraught with hazards,’’ says one former IAF officer. ‘‘Only the US and Israel conduct such strikes,’’ he says, ‘‘and they do so in conditions where they have an overwhelming military superiority over their adversary.’’

This is not the case with India and even a hit-and-run air strike will be strongly contested by the Pakistan Air Force. There is no question of a helicopter-based assault since the IAF cannot provide assured protection by maintaining air superiority over even a limited area of the strike.

An overland commando hit-and-run raid is a bigger problem. As far as the LoC is concerned, it is a militarily ‘‘live’’ border and heavily defended.

In the 1971 war, both India and Pakistan conducted offensives against each other. Pakistan launched a major offensive to capture Poonch and failed, as did India’s attack towards Muzaffarabad.

Neither armies were able to penetrate more than a few kilometres into the other territory because of the effective defence.

But the bigger check against a cross-LoC action is political. Such an action could spin out of control and touch off a larger war, an event that is certainly not in India’s interest. Despite clear evidence of Pakistan crossing the LoC in Kargil in 1999, the government was compelled to order the Army to undertake near-suicidal frontal attacks against entrenched Pakistani positions on the mountains, rather than adopt the militarily sound strategy of outflanking them by crossing the LoC.

Not only does India lack the strength but also the ballz to pull of something even remotely close to an intrusion. The moment they enter Pakistani air space they will be shot down.Simple as that.

Unless they wish to start a war that they will clearly lose and lose badly, - they really have no other alternative except to keep talking sh|t in order to play to their fanatical hindu extremists.We shouldnt be bothered by it.Let them play to their extremists,we really shouldnt care.Pakistan should concentrate on our economic and political future because thats the key to our remaining a frontline state.The army can easily take care of the Indians,if it comes down to that.

Not only does India lack the strength but also the ballz to pull of something even remotely close to an intrusion. <<
Thank You.That’s what India wants you to think

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The army can easily take care of the Indians,if it comes down to that.<<
Yeah . They did a great job in 1971

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You wont have your Bengali buddies to protect you this time.

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Thats it now,run for the shelters boys

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Yep thats why jasso screms all the way to its new US mommy coz Bengali mommy is not there any more.

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at CNN the other day comparing military powers of India and Pakistan .. experts said India have 10 nuke warheads and Pak 65.. plus Pak have highly trained and expert pilots compared to India.. we can check the way these countries displyed their nuke power ..India just testing hile Pak actually exploded turning mountains in to white ash in Balauchistan..

In 1971 Bhutto boasted of having arsenal for fighting against India for one thousand years.

I do not know why 90000 of Pak soldiers accepted Indian jails invitation after fighting for 14 days only.

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Originally posted by anand:
**In 1971 Bhutto boasted of having arsenal for fighting against India for one thousand years.

I do not know why 90000 of Pak soldiers accepted Indian jails invitation after fighting for 14 days only.**
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Yes he boasted fighting India for 1000 years he never boasted fighting Bengalis for even 1.

Abdali,
Then why did they bow and surrendered before the Indian General? Go check out some non-Pakistani (and non-Indian) sites on the 71 war and check who surrendered to whom and who won the war and who lost it.
Anyway....I had mentioned once that I donot feel soldiers who surrender or are asked to surrender by cowardly Generals are necessarily cowards. Any person who goes to war to defend his/her country is brave. I bet most of us would never want to go on a battlefield (I know I wouldn't).
The article above is an opinion of a writer. There are others of differing opinions. Pakistan is too weak a nation to defeat India in any war. The armed forces may be as good or bad as any other nation, but the economy is a huge mess. On top of that you get pressured too easily by superpowers and lose nerve. According to you Pakistan had won the Kargil war and had to back down due to American pressure. We had seen the spectacle of Nawaz Sharif with Musharraf in tow hopping from Beijing to Washington looking for support. So if what you said is true then the terrorists sitting on the peaks who said that they will not even listen to Pakistan suddenly caved in to US pressure.
The point is that it doesnt matter whether the Indian government has the political or military capacity or not. So long as they are not compromising on Kashmir, they can do what they want. No matter what the cost -- human or economic, there can be no compromise on certain issues with Pakistan.

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The day India has the guts to fight a war without hiding behind Bengalis is the day you can call it a true war.In 1971,India hid behind the Bengalis and even then thousands of your soldiers surrendered to the Pakistani Army.Have a look at the P.O.W lists next time before you run your mouth.

Anyway,this isent going anywhere.The facts are straight -India is increasingly feeling isolated and insecure about Pakistan’s renewed acceptance as a frontline state with key strategic location and assets.The shelling in Kashmir,and these desperate attempts to get some attention,are just pathetic.

What’s so funny about all this is that the Indians are getting all worked up over being ignored by the US,and frustrated that Pakistan is getting all the attention.

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Pakistan for its part is quite enjoying seeing the Indians squirm and pull their (thin) hair out in frustration, though!

And anytime India wants to play ball,all they have to do is step up to the plate.
Quite frankly, they’ll get their butts kicked big time.

One of the policy wonks said that in an conventional battle, Pakistan couldn’t last more than 12 days. That’s 11 too many by some other views

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Couldn’t have said it better… One can always touch up with few events from history starting all the way to Qasim and ending with jasso screaming all the way to its new US master. Add all that up and you have a net vijay Indian style.

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keep feeling happy about being ‘frontline state’. it takes a strange nation to be happy to see a war at the door.

what americans think of this ‘frontline’ stuff. see a stratfor report.
http://www.stratfor.com/home/0110252220.htm

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The future of Pakistan in this war is very much in doubt. Recent reports that U.S. helicopters were fired at on the ground in Pakistan may well signify a Taliban-orchestrated campaign against U.S. forces there. This could give rise to a situation in which the Pakistani government sides with the United States but cannot or will not control its own countryside along the frontier. Pakistan could both serve the United States and supply the Taliban.

Under this scenario, the United States would have three options. One would be to accept the situation. The second would be to conduct operations to stop the flow of arms into Pakistan without attempting to clear the border area of Taliban base camps. The third would be to extend the war into Pakistan. The logic of the situation requires the third option because enough weapons can seep into Pakistan --or are already there – to support the Taliban’s efforts. Of course, this would require the deployment of massive numbers of troops in Pakistan, which Islamabad would oppose.

This option, however, would delight the Taliban and al Qaeda. It would drag the United States deeper into the quagmire while allowing opponents to claim that this was proof the United States was not anti-Taliban but anti-Islamic. This is obviously the last thing the United States would want. On the other hand, a fight in Pakistan would be much easier than a fight in Afghanistan, and it would undoubtedly have the vigorous support of a real strategic asset: India. A victory in Pakistan would cut off sanctuary and create the real foundation for defeat of the Taliban. …


Tsk Tsk!

Keep dragging up articles by right-wingers

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As far as the frontline state goes, that is what we are.You guys can whine,lie,cry,jump up and shown,beg,cruise the web lookin for anti-Pakistan articles as much as you want,etc- and that wont change anything.

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Ps - My congrats to the Indy lobbyist who wrote that article.It made it on GupShup

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and my congratulations to manoj joshi of ‘times of india’ that abdali picked up his article to put on gupshup. it is indeed strange that to find articles that abdali would like to post, u have to check times of india while to see pro-india articles, u better check US websites. figure!

Pak history rejects an over all victory of Indian forces in 1971.
Strange these people are proud of being beaten by bengalis.

Old georgy is new secret weapon of Pakistan, now indu cowards will continue to get sub-standard equipment, guns that jam, radios that dont work.

Excellent !!!

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Originally posted by anand:
Pak history rejects an over all victory of Indian forces in 1971.
Strange these people are proud of being beaten by bengalis.

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Hey you guyz were born with vijay so whats the big deal with one more. You have been kicking our ass, chincom ass, SLankan ass.
What the hell man have mercy.

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Originally posted by Abdali:
** Hey you guyz were born with vijay so whats the big deal with one more. You have been kicking our ass, chincom ass, SLankan ass.
What the hell man have mercy.**
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well we will definitely start kicking ur ass.
after US stops kicking it...
I must admit the US kick is quite strong that made pak shift 180 degrees.

You need help, some one help him please he is desperate

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[This message has been edited by Abdali (edited October 28, 2001).]