India by far comes nowhere near China

http://asiafoundation.org/in-asia/2010/09/01/how-to-think-about-china-a-threat-a-partner-a-competitor/

**How to Think About China: A Threat? A Partner? A Competitor?

By Michael H. Armacost**

Napoleon was uncommonly prescient more than 200 years ago when he described China as “a sleeping giant.” He added, “When it awakens, it will astonish the world.” As we all know, the Chinese, after a couple of bad centuries, are again wide awake.

The tale of China’s recent “rise” is laced with dazzling statistics. In more than 30 years China has increased its GDP at a rate of roughly 10 percent per year, recently surpassing Japan as the world’s second largest economy.

As a global manufacturing hub, China is an exceptionally efficient producer of steel, ships, chemicals, and an amazing array of consumer goods. Its share of global trade has increased ten fold since 1978, and this year it supplanted Germany as the world’s largest exporter of goods.

For decades Beijing has been sending tens of thousands of its “best and brightest” abroad to study math, science, and engineering. It is now undertaking a major upgrade of its universities and research centers in order to train the human resources needed to become a world leader in the field of technology.

On the margins of its rapid economic growth, China has financed annual double-digit increases in its defense budget for nearly two decades. With the proceeds, it is steadily modernizing its military capabilities. The People’s Liberation Army intercepted a missile in mid-air in January, and plans are in the works to build aircraft carriers.

These are impressive achievements. They deserve our respect. Beijing has raised 400 million people out of poverty. And it has recovered a respected place on the international scene without up-ending existing international institutions.

Some analysts assume that China is destined to become a rival, which could eventually replace America as the world’s pre-eminent superpower. With all the talk about China’s “rise,” it is little wonder that the Chinese people are brimming with self-confidence, or, for that matter, that Chinese officials display with increasing frequency those qualities of cockiness and petulance which people around the world have long accused Americans of monopolizing.

How then should the United States think of China? Some portray Beijing as a looming military threat; some regard it as our most promising global partner; while some expect it to compete fiercely with us for global economic leadership.

China as a Threat

The case for regarding China as a potential military threat reflects underlying premises about the strategic conduct of emerging great powers. As Robert Kagan once put it, “Might not China, like all rising powers of the past, including the United States, want to reshape the international system to suit its own purposes? …”

The presumption is that China’s immense population and rapid growth will inevitably whet its appetite for power, for glory, for prestige, and for dominion. According to Robert Kaplan, “The American military contest with China in the Pacific will define the 21st century.” But no one can be certain how China will eventually utilize the great power it is rapidly accumulating. Though China is augmenting its power, it remains a relatively poor country. Its annual military expenditures are still roughly an eighth the size of America’s. It’s also important to note that China will have its hands more than full at home. An additional 200 to 400 million Chinese will likely be moving from the countryside to urban centers and this will present challenges to China’s leaders which will demand their single-minded attention. The predicate for that concentrated focus is peace and stability on its borders. Nor should one forget that China’s neighbors are no geopolitical patsies. China at present needs peace, it needs friends, and it needs time to cope with its internal challenges, and to consolidate the sinews of its industrial and military potential.

My Comments:

India by far comes nowhere near China at least for now. Even United States sees China as a threat.

Clearly and understandably in recent years China’s economic engagements with Africa including foreign aid seem Chinese vistas of the future and an unambiguous break step not only to substantiate its economy nevertheless to supersede deteriorating American might by having a solid grip on at least Asia and Africa for now. It is a perceived fact that China targets aid to African states with copious natural resources and depraved governments, to keep their economy robust the Chinese do not hire Africans to work on their projects and China outbids other companies by some times disdaining international standards. It is natural for China to be cautious when it has been evident that America has been preparing India as American hedge against China for several years now. The bottom line here is that it is all struggle of control in two different ways the American way of wars vs. Chines way of pecuniary tributes…

The publics on both sides seem to be in step with these media embellishments, first unambiguous break step that needs to be taken by both countries especially India, is to ward off scarcity of trust between each other and I am almost certain that it is not going to be tranquil in a sense that there absolutely be some on both sides who wouldn’t want this effort to substantiate an air of trust between two countries to be successful, in addition to the opposition and defiance these hardcore fundamentalist elements might try to create commotion on both sides yet, two must suppress these tumultuous elements in order to achieve long term peace and harmony within the region, moreover I do understand that this change might take years or even decades to achieve nevertheless the two countries must not only ingrain this change in both societies but also adapt to it religiously…

What do you think?

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Writer has hit the nail, he is also an Indian. Please read a book by Parag Khanna “The Second World”

India and China: a comparison
The gap between the performance of the world’s two largest nations, China and India, keeps growing. Two instances from entirely different fields should give us an idea. The world’s first commercial maglev (magnetic levitation) train is operating between the Pudong International Airport and downtown Shanghai. It takes just seven minutes to cross the 30-kilometre distance – which is about the same distance between Mumbai’s international airport and Nariman Point, which takes anywhere from 75 minutes to a couple of hours, to cover. In a different field, China won 63 medals in the last Olympics; India just one. The growing gap in economic performance, too, evidences few signs of narrowing.

Historically, there are a number of similarities between the two: ancient civilisations, the world’s leading and richest at one time; going down the league table in the second-half of the second millennium; and starting their progress to modernity in the middle of the last century. In the 1950s and 1960s there was considerable media debate on which system, authoritarian communism in China or parliamentary democracy in India, will deliver better. There was not much difference in the economic performance roughly until 1980, when the per capita incomes were also similar. Over the last quarter century, both instituted economic reforms and growth accelerated.
China embraced globalisation and trade enthusiastically, welcoming foreign direct investment with no inhibitions, and gradually gaining control of world markets for low-tech labour-intensive manufactures.
While reforms in India are supposed to have been initiated in 1991, the doctrinaire socialist policy had begun to be diluted in the second innings of Indira Gandhi.
The process of liberalisation continued under her son Rajiv Gandhi, and more dramatically after 1991. The growth rate doubled from the previous Hindu rate, but still lagged that of China.
The result has been that starting with more or less the same per capita incomes 25 years back, Chinese incomes today are double that of India’s – a result not only of faster GDP growth, but also of a lower population increase, thanks to the one-child policy.
Both face growing economic inequality.
Today, apart from higher incomes and lower poverty, the areas in which China is far ahead of us are literacy, FDI, labour rationalisation in the public sector and infrastructure investments.
Many international observers are astounded at the sheer speed with which infrastructure projects get implemented. As the Financial Times commented (January 21, 2004) “if thousands of villagers have to be moved to make way for roads or power stations, so be it: investment in infrastructure underpins China’s success.”
While the Deng revolution completely discarded Mao’s economic model, the Chinese haven’t forgotten one of the Great Helmsman’s thoughts: respect your enemy (that is, any problem) strategically, and despise him tactically.
The blitzkrieg-like implementation of projects is an illustration of the latter tenet.
Contrast the way the giant Three Gorges Dam has come up in China, with the fate of the Sardar Sarovar Project in Gujarat.
Agitation, endless court cases, environmentalists, and other manifestations of a democratic, rule-of-law society have not only delayed implementation perhaps by a decade, but also added enormously to the costs.
And the direct cost escalation is perhaps only a small part of the total cost to the economy.
One can only imagine the output lost because of the delays in the starting of the project.
Take another instance where China is ahead of us, namely, labour-intensive manufacture.
Our labour laws, which protect existing employment, but at the cost of creating new jobs, have created a bias in favour of capital-intensive investments.
An Ambani prefers a refinery, in which the only comparative advantage comes out of the duty structure, to manufacturing, say, toys in billions and exporting them to the world.
China does not seem to be treating PSUs as holy cows either – millions of jobs in state-owned enterprises have been lost in preparation for world competition.
But new ones keep getting created in larger numbers. In contrast, we not only condone over-manning, but also keep thousands employed in factories that haven’t produced anything for decades.
No wonder resources are short for the much-needed investments. Organised private industry, afraid of labour laws, has produced few new ones in recent years.
There is a positive side to our system as well: we avoided the millions of starvation deaths that were a corollary to Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” in augmenting steel output, and the social chaos of his Cultural Revolution.
Only an authoritarian system would permit such excesses. But the fact remains that fast growth in Asia has invariably come under authoritarian governments.

**The correlation is strong, but as political correctness will argue, correlation is not necessarily cause and effect. Again, is quarter of a century too short a period to compare the efficacy of enlightened, reformist, authoritarian regimes and political democracies?
To be sure, there is one field where we have a good, if frightening, chance of beating China – population. In most other areas, it is more comfortable to stop making comparisons. **

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there is no question here, India do admires China for its growth and has learnt few things from her,

but these are the people who lobby and say to the Indian government, 'never mind about Pakistani people, increase the height of our dams on our side' hay look what China is doing.

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Let china become superpower and rabb bless china

I still like to be average Indian in open democracy than rich Chinese in oppressive autocracy, I often join protest in my city for right judgment in anti-Sikh riot case but same me will be thrown to jail if I protested for democracy in china or talked about tinnamese killing, by the government in china

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And how many of those crimes involving genocide of minorities happen in China?

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Where an elected govt. is directly involved in killings..!!

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@scarface

Are you for real ? I realize that the Chinese economic growth is admirable. But it has not been a boon for the ethnic/religious minorities. Ask Tibetans, Mongolians and Uighars.

@Ayyubi

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N3, you have serious problem with comprehesnion... Try again if you fail I can explain in detail.

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Ha ha .. sorry dude. It's just that one often finds most Pak guppies to be misty eyed love stuck Lailas towards China. Mistook you for being part of the herd.

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^ Just as I thought, beat around the bush when nailed, carry on bud you not alone even with new nick. :)

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Who knows how many? Whatever china daily says that is final. My family is of riot victim, you lead a peaceful procession favoring democracy in Beijing, you will be immediately targeted it doesn’t matter if you are for minority or majority.

If china is such a nice country than dalai lama must not have been living in India, check the conditions of uighur muslims in china. In India, Minorities are most likely victim of violence but they are not prosecuted.

India is secular in theory and pseudo-secular in reality.

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And how many Kashmiries have been killed by peace loving security forces in Indian-held Kashmir again while protesting in the last few months? Or were they sent on vacation?

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What does this all have to do with economics?

Prosecution of minorities in China is exaggerated by western media, as are the stories of pollution and carbon emissions. In a country with more than a billion people, such incidents do not count (I support India on the same lines). Why is India involved in China's internal conflict with Dalai Lama and Tibetans when it doesn't like Pakistan's interference in Kashmir?

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@goodname

Rioters are killed all over India, including in the state of J&K

@kakaballi

India is not involved in Tibet. India follows one- China policy and has recognized Tibet and Taiwan as parts of China. Western media has no free access to China, so I wouldn't know if the accounts are exaggerated or not.

Dalai Lama is a guest of India and surely nobody would stoop so low as to call him a terrorist !

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^ So, internal politics and policies have nothing to do with economics when it comes to comparing India and China.

BTW, Dalai Lama is not merely a guest in India. He is running a Tibetan government in exile from there. Not exactly following 'one-China' policy, are we?

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, internal politics and policies have nothing to do with economics when it comes to comparing India and China.
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Of course it does. If India could crush peaceful dissent and censor the unwanted and unpalatable facts we would perhaps have China like economy. But we do not want that as our political rights and freedom are much more important.

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He is running a Tibetan government in exile from there.
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There are thousands of Tibetan refugees in India. The GIE's main aim is to ensure coordination and welfare of these refugees. If India really wanted to stir up trouble in China, she would turn to Dalai Lama as the last resort.

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india comes nowhere near Pakistan let alone China.50 million children sleep hungry every night in India according to a recent research.No govt writ in 600 Naxel/Maoist controlled districts.
Its actually worse than somalia as far writ of state is concerned.

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Pakistani are so insecure and so scared of India that they are hoping and praying that somebody like China taken their own country over! little do they know freedom is more important than anything else. That's probably also why they keep getting dictatorships every few years. It's almost like they have a slave gene in them!

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But this is not the gist of this thread, is it?

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Of course not nor did his rant made any sense... Oh well we have quite a few with new nics. :)