India admits that Pakistan had no hand in Mumbai Bombings

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India finally admits what the entire world knows that ISI and Pakistan had no hand in the bombings of Mumbai.

USA, UK and all other intelligence communities all butchered India’s claim of Pakistan’s hand in this and whats why Manmohan Singh met Musharraf in Havana.

This latest round of intelligence failure by India’s intelligence agency just shows how unreliable they are and nothing can be taken at face value no matter what India says

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2228539.cms

No strong proof of Pak’s hand in 7/11

NEW DELHI: India appeared to retreat from its charge that Pakistan’s spy agency planned Mumbai train bombings in July, with its national security adviser saying Sunday that investigators don’t have strong evidence.

“I would be hesitant to say that we have clinching evidence. We have pretty good evidence,” MK Narayanan told to a private news channel.

Narayanan’s statement came as India and Pakistan prepared to resume official-level talks next month which India put on hold after the train bombings that killed more than 200 people.

India’s new foreign secretary, Shivshankar Menon, said earlier this month that India will give Islamabad evidence that Pakistan’s spy agency planned the bombings.

Last month, Mumbai Police Commissioner AN Roy announced the end of a probe into the blasts and said the intensive investigation had revealed a Pakistan role.

“The terror plot was ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) sponsored and executed by Lashkar-e-Toiba operatives with help from the Students’ Islamic Movement of India,” Roy said.

Lashkar-e-Toiba, or Army of the Pure, is a Pakistan-based Islamic militant group. The Students’ Islamic Movement of India is banned.

Pakistan dismissed the accusations and asked India to furnish credible evidence to prove the charge. Narayanan said in his interview that some information was missing.

“We have connectivity, we have linkages, we have confessions, we have a number of arrests made on the basis of confessions which is pretty good. But there are pieces of the puzzle which are not available,” he said. “If the court thinks that it requires a foolproof picture, maybe it will be difficult,” he said.

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newsflash: writing your own ridiculous thread titles based on your fantasies doesn’t change reality.

mk narayanan says that he is not sure there is “clinching” evidence, and you interpret this as “india admits pakistan had no hand in mumbai bombings”. :hehe:

there is no such thing as clinching evidence. ISI must be the most pathetic agency on earth if it leaves “clinching” evidence behind.

this thread is very telling of your insecurities when you have to resort to such pathetic manipulations.

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^So without solid evidence, you still support India's claim that Pakistan is behind it? You don't just go around accusing an entire counrty without having indisputable evidence, if they are so adament that Pakistan did it, gather up all the evidence than do all those press releases.

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^ like G8 before US also rejected their evidence..

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this is not a court of law, but a court of public opinion. like i said, 90% of any intelligence agency’s activities will bear zero proof of any kind let alone “indisputable” evidence. does that mean these agencies are inactive or don’t carry out various operations? obviously they do.

my personal opinion is that there is a decent chance that the mumbai police’s allegation of direct ISI involvement is true, but even if it is not true, the ISI and even the pakistani state are still responsible for being the chief sponsors and financers of the LeT. the funding for the operation itself would’ve ultimately come from the pakistani exchequer even if the motives and intentions were not shared with pakistani authorities.

you can’t start a fire and not be held responsible if the fire burns out of your control. that is one of the dangers of playing with fire, and pakistan’s state policy for decades has included playing with fire (choosing to sponsor terrorism and militancy in various capacities).

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Why do you waste your time on this thread… Your govt has egg on its face.
First the so called suspects retract their cofession which was taken through torture, and now your minister admits they dont have strong evidence to blame Pakistan.
This just proves what everyone has been saying, Indians are incompetant and their police force is completely and utterly useless..
Now go burn some Pakistani flags, get over this misplaced bitterness you have. If anything, blame your govt and Mumbai police for being so stupid.

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India has supported its share of “terrorist” groups at the expense of Pakistan, and so have other countries. Pakistan is no different. In fact, im certain “RAW” is supporting insurgent groups in Pakistan aswell.
Fact of the matter is that Pakistan was not responsible for the Mumbai bombings and you have no evidence to support you lame accusations, just here say.

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i wonder if Indians really beleive the Police versions?

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Well actually, India's National Security Advisor said that evidence against Pakistan is "very good, but not clinching". This was misinterpreted by the Pakistani media as India has no evidence at all.

You know just like US has no concrete evidence against Osama for 9/11, but ALL trails lead to him, in the same way, India's NSA said that We have very good evidence, but its not clinching i.e. only trails from Pakistan may not be enough as evidence before Indian Courts.

Also the accused men boldly telling the media that they were forced to make confessions, means that they are quite relaxed and not under pressure (this has happened in Gujarat riots cases, murder cases of some high-society people etc.)

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Haha, little did the ‘investigative’ cells of Mumbai police know that their story is going to be shared with Pakistan. Manmohan Singh is under huge pressure these days from those extremists who operate behind the veneer of secularism in India. Many in India were practically trying to negate the impact of Musharraf’s constructive interactions with the world leaders and media. (Remember how some Indians suggested that King Super Power India should make its presence felt in international arena?) Their primary aim was to grab a few headlines in international media accusing Pakistan. They were partially successful.

Now they face a bigger problem. How to connect the dots of the imaginary propaganda story Mumbai police presented to grab the headlines and turn international opinion against Pakistan. Manmohan Singh wants to share the ‘evidence’ with Pakistan. To the extremists in India, this decision indicates India’s readiness to accept Pakistani state as a partner in the fight against terrorism. Moreover, they never wanted to engage in any constructive talks with Pakistan.

Another problem arising out of this ‘evidence’ sharing is lesser demand for propaganda experts and greater demand for the experts who could present a a story that could give a ‘clinching evidence’.

What if there was never any ‘clinching evidence’ and now you have to share your imaginary story of Pakistan’s involvement in the terror incident, a story that was primarily designed to grab the headlines? The solution could be a gradual scale-down from your original stance: from ‘the evidence of Pakistan’s and ISI’s direct involvement’ to ‘not clinching but good enough evidence’ to ‘terror groups based in Pakistan’ to ‘you know Pakistan is a terrorist country’.

Anyways, hats off to Indian propagandists. They’re shrewd people. :k:

Any breaking news solving the mystery of mosque blasts?

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i do wonder if Indians beleive the Police investigation theory. at the same time i want to know what kind of proofs will satisfy you.
or was pakistan satisfied with the proofs provided by the bush regime that it helped americans against al-quaeda?

the case prepared by the police may not stand in the court…let us see.

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What did u expect anyway. pakistani passport, u will then say that its fabricated, there is no one like that ever existed in pakistan. most of the money comes from gulf countries, to fund these operations, but tell me what do they have against india. U should be naive to believe that some pakistani people never sponsors terrorism. US and UK guys have the same conclusion. U get rid of ur religious hatred and then the world will see u as a responsible state, otherwise the perception not only in India but all across the world will remain the same.
How long will u rubbish evidences (circumstantial or otherwise), what actions are u taking. If pakistan is one perosn there is enough circumstantial evidence to implicate him in multiple counts, aiding abetting and promoting terrorism. Just look at the history and u will find a whole range of allegation against u from afghanistan, england,USA and ofcourse India.

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I would’ve been more inclined to look into any evidence if Indians had waited for Mumbai police or any investigative force to conclude their investigation before pointing an accusing finger at Pakistan. Unfortunately, they didn’t do so. Now you must not be surprised if I rubbish any ‘evidence’ as propaganda.

And hey off-the-topic but … any accusation from current Afghan govt is nothing extrodinary, considering that India has more consulates in Afghanistan than in the USA. :wink: and let’s not forget all those northen alliance leaders who have their family members and big businesses in India. :wink:

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Hindoos change color with every changing moment. Today if they have given this statement, tomorrow they will back off.....

Comon, Pakistanis should not remain in these illusions........

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Hey , what about your insecurities…trolling a muslim/pakistani board? Ever thought of that? How come you guys cannot protect your “awam” and always blame pakistan. Its time you grew up and accept the responsibility of protecting your junta.

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Indians are to naive... If the govt or their cronies told them that night is day and day is night, you would never see an Indian awake during the day!

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A formal press conference was called by Mumbai Police commissioner, Chief of Anti-Terrorist Squad and Commissioner of Maharashtra police to declare that the 7/11 case has been fully solved. The operational details, the men involved, trails etc. were described.

India is likely to present the evidence to Pakistan at the next Secretarty level meetings.

The statement of M.K. Narayanan was, “We have good evidence, but not clinching evidence”. This should not be misinterpreted as No evidence.
Also, he said that in reference to only ISI (not Pakistan)

A team from CIA has come to New Delhi to discuss terrorism counter-measures and shall also discuss the investigations in the 7/11 case.

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this is too much. forgot how you had to vote in favor of your self-styled president. challange me, if you had other options!

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You people believe whatever your govt tells you.. Pakistanis are atleast intelligent enough to have an oppinion…
Indians are just a mouth piece.. Drones of the govt without any sense or logic.
Your govt being “democratic” is not the point, more advanced democracies have people who protest and disargree with their govt… In India, no body has an oppinion seperate from the govt, regardless of how far fetched and stupid it may be.