Re: [IN URDU] Will History repeats itself ?
Assalamu Alaykum,
I have posted a response at the following website: http://www.omeriqbal.com/eesakibaasat.html
Unfortunately, I could not post it here because I composed it in urdu.
Best Wishes,
Omer Iqbal
Re: [IN URDU] Will History repeats itself ?
Very nice, thank you for sharing. JazakAllah.
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Do you have any other articles or Hadith or Quran translation in easy urdu?
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i dnot think Isa (as) will face the similar situation when he comes back, although he was rejected by his people when he was sent to them as a prophet....
on his return, he shall return to a group of believers, who shall immediately recognize him and hence he shall not undergo a similar situation....
and secondly, he wont be coming back as a prophet or messenger, but instead as a normal muslim, a follower of the Sunnah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw)....
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armughal is a fanatic Wahhabi.
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can we call you a fanatic shia/qadiani?
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hahahah Jesus will be coming back as a muslim. I love the cut and paste logic.
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Re: [IN URDU] Will History repeats itself ?
Assalamu Alaykum,
I am interested in finding out a source from Quran or Sunnah that supports that he would not be coming back as a prophet or a messenger. If you can provide me a source, that would be great.
Only the best wishes,
Omer Iqbal
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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html
***Book 041, Number 7015: ***
An-Nawwas b. Sam’an reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) made a mention of the Dajjal one day in the morning. He sometimes described him to be insignificant and sometimes described (his turmoil) as very significant rand we felt) as if he were in the cluster of the date-palm trees. When we went to him (to the Holy Prophet) in the evening and he read (the signs of fear) in our faces, he said: What is the matter with you? We said: Allah’s Messenger, you made a mention of the Dajjal in the morning (sometimes describing him) to be insignificant and sometimes very important, until we began to think as if he were present in some (near) part of the cluster of the datpalm trees. Thereupon he said: I harbour fear in regard to you in so many other things besides the Dajjal. If he comes forth while I am among on, I shall contend with him on your behalf, but if he comes forth while I am not amongst you, a man must contend on his own behalf and Allah would take care of every Muslim on my behalf (and safeguard him against his evil). He (Dajjal) would be a young man with twisted, contracted hair, and a blind eye. I compare him to 'Abd-ul-'Uzza b. Qatan. He who amongst you would survive to see him should recite over him the opening verses of Sura Kahf (xviii.). He would appear on the way between Syria and Iraq and would spread mischief right and left. O servant of Allah! adhere (to the path of Truth). We said: Allah’s Messenger, how long would he stay on the earth? He said.. For forty days, one day like a year and one day like a month and one day like a week and the rest of the days would be like your days. We said: Allah’s Messenger, would one day’s prayer suffice for the prayers of day equal to one year? Thereupon he said: No, but you must make an estimate of time (and then observe prayer). We said: Allah’s Messenger, how quickly would he walk upon the earth? Thereupon he said: Like cloud driven by the wind. He would come to the people and invite them (to a wrong religion) and they would affirm their faith in him and respond to him. He would then give command to the sky and there would be rainfall upon the earth and it would grow crops. Then in the evening, their posturing animals would come to them with their humps very high and their udders full of milk and their flanks stretched. He would then come to another people and invite them. But they would reject him and he would go away from them and there would be drought for them and nothing would be lef t with them in the form of wealth.
He would then walk through the waste, land and say to it: Bring forth your treasures, and the treasures would come out and collect (themselves) before him like the swarm of bees. He would then call a person brimming with youth and strike him with the sword and cut him into two pieces and (make these pieces lie at a distance which is generally) between the archer and his target. He would then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness) and it would at this very time that Allah would send Christ, son of Mary, and he will descend at the white minaret in the eastern side of Damscus wearing two garments lightly dyed with saffron and placing his hands on the wings of two Angels. When he would lower his head, there would fall beads of perspiration from his head, and when he would raise it up, beads like pearls would scatter from it. Every non-believer who would smell the odour of his self would die and his breath would reach as far as he would be able to see. He would then search for him (Dajjal) until he would catch hold of him at the gate of Ludd and would kill him. Then a people whom Allah had protected would come to Jesus, son of Mary, and he would wipe their faces and would inform them of their ranks in Paradise and it would be under such conditions that Allah would reveal to Jesus these words: I have brought forth from amongst My servants such people against whom none would be able to fight; you take these people safely to Tur, and then Allah would send Gog and Magog and they would swarm down from every slope. The first of them would pass the lake of Tibering and drink out of it. And when the last of them would pass, he would say: There was once water there. Jesus and his companions would then be besieged here (at Tur, and they would be so much hard pressed) that the head of the ox would be dearer to them than one hundred dinirs and Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would supplicate Allah, Who would send to them insects (which would attack their necks) and in the morning they would perish like one single person. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then come down to the earth and they would not find in the earth as much space as a single span which is not filled with their putrefaction and stench. Allah’s Apostle, Jesus, and his companions would then again beseech Allah, Who would send birds whose necks would be like those of bactrin camels and they would carry them and throw them where God would will.
Then Allah would send rain which no house of clay or (the tent of) camels’ hairs would keep out and it would wash away the earth until it could appear to be a mirror. Then the earth would be told to bring forth its fruit and restore its blessing and, as a result thereof, there would grow (such a big) pomegranate that a group of persons would be able to eat that, and seek shelter under its skin and milch cow would give so much milk that a whole party would be able to drink it. And the milch camel would give such (a large quantity of) milk that the whole tribe would be able to drink out of that and the milch sheep would give so much milk that the whole family would be able to drink out of that and at that time Allah would send a pleasant wind which would soothe (people) even under their armpits, and would take the life of every Muslim and only the wicked would survive who would commit adultery like asses and the Last Hour would come to them. (Sahih Muslim)
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I believe EESA IBN E MARYAM is died according to quran.
Hadith says EESA IBN E MARYAM will come. (It does not mean that EESA aleh-salam will reborn. because Quraan reject this that when a person die. He will never come back to this world. but only in the day of judgment.
So, the one EESA IBN MARYAM mentioned in the hadith. To me this a metaphorically statment. I believe. A person will born in this Ummah. and EESA IBN MARYAM (title) will be given to him from Allah.
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good game with words mfjkd.
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sorry, but should I laugh or cry? I should cry I think…
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That’s what you and your Fitna is destined for, not only here on this earth but the hell that is waiting for you and the fitna you belong to.
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**[21:35] We granted not everlasting life to any mortal before thee. If they shouldst die, shall they live here for ever?
[21:36] Every soul shall taste death; and We test you with evil and good by way of trial. And to US shall you be returned.**
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Bismillah al-rehman al-rahim!
Believe me . there is no game of words.
Just think seriously. Do not go to somewhere else. just talk on Quran and Hadith. 
[Proof from [color=blue]Quraan & Sunnah (Hadith) is the Criteria of Truth. right! Prophet muhammad s.a.w said this on Khutba Hijjatul vidah, Just hold Quran & Sunnah!]
[2:112] And they say. ‘None shall ever enter Heaven unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ These are their vain desires. Say, ‘Produce your proof, if you are truthful.’
[12:109] Say, 'This my way; I call unto Allah standing on sure knowledge, - I and those who follow me. Holy is Allah, and I am not of those who associate gods with Allah.
Majority is not the sign of Truth:
[6:117] And if thou obey most of those on earth, they will lead thee astray from Allah’s way. They follow nothing but mere conjecture, and they do nothing but lie.
Sure knowledge can be taken from Quran & Sunnah (Hadith) which is the solid proof!
So, Quraan says EESA IBN MARYAM aleh-salam is died like all other prophets.
Hadith says, EESA IBN MARYAM aleh-salam will come, and will break cross.
You see cross can not be taken as physically. because Islam can never spread by breaking cross. it means christians false belief, Like they say that Jesus is the son of God and alive on heaven.
Same as EESA IBN MARYAM can not be taken as physically. it is metaphorically EESA IBN MARYAM. means, A person will born in the ummah and will have the similarities with Old EESA IBN MARYAM. (Just think over it, that If Quraan clearly stats that EESA IBN MARYAM is died, then how can a dead person can come again into this world. He must be some one else, and the name EESA IBN MARYAM will be given to him)
My this belief is based on the death of EESA IBN MARYAM from Quraan. if some one is not agree with me, He has to prove from Quraan that EESA IBN MARYAM is alive on Heaven or sky.
Right!
**Jazakallah **
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Assalamu Alaykum,
This is not definitely the right forum for this type of a discussion, because I can see this discussion becoming a flame thread very soon. I would request the participants to let this be more of a discussion between myself and mfjkd only so we can address each others issues well, if it is acceptable to the rest. If possible, can the admin create a ‘debate’ type of a thread between mfjkd and myself only?
The reason I say this is because discussion has changed significantly. It has changed from ‘jab eesa allah kay rasool aingay to musalmaan un kay saath bhi aisa salook karaingay’ to whether he has died or not! These are two completely different issues. I can see many people who are sensitive about these issues to be offended and I do not wish that. So we may even want to change the title to reflect that?
Having said that I will move to the actual issues. As for the death of Jesus (pbuh), I have personally not come to a conclusion whether he has died or is alive. Very briefly, I will mention that there have been other people mentioned in Quran who were raised from the dead. For instance, Quran mentions:
“Or the like of him who passed by a town, and it had fallen down upon its roofs; he said: How will God give it life after its death? So God caused him to die for a hundred years, then raised him to life. He said, ‘How long have you tarried?’ He said, ‘I have tarried a day, or a part of a day.’ (God) said, 'Nay! you have tarried a hundred years; then look at your food and drink - years have not passed over it; and look at your donkey; and that We may make you a sign to men, and look at the bones, how We set them together, then clothed them with flesh; so when it became clear to him, he said, ‘I know that God has power over all things.’” (Al-Baqarah 2:259)
Similarly, prophet Jesus (pbuh) was given the miracles by which he caused the dead to raise to living by God’s will:
“And remember when God said, 'O Jesus son of Mary! Remember my favor on you and your mother … … … and when you brought forth dead by My permission …” (Al-Maidah 5:110)
This incident of prophet Jesus (pbuh) raising the dead is also mentioned in the Bible. Therefore, it is possible that God can raise the dead and he can bring someone to life after a long time. Even if Jesus (pbuh) is died (or raised) the same person can definitely brought back. Prophet Jesus (pbuh)'s life is full of miracles of extra ordinary nature and this should not surprise anyone who is familiar with his history. He was born without a father, he spoke as an infant, he gave sight to the blind, he raised the dead, he created a bird and breathed spirit into it by God’s will, then I would not be surprised if the same very person reemerged on a later Day. As mentioned earlier, I am not convinced whether he will or will not come for some other reasons, but nonetheless, if he did really come, I would not be surprised.
As for the place from where God would not be present on the place from where Jesus (pbuh) was raised, I think this argument is not appealing. Primarily, because where we are present, shall we say God is not present? If so, then how is God ‘la mahdood?’ But our presence does not make God not omnipresence, so the logic fails why raising a soul would make God absent from that place?
Secondly, if a christian can say something about Islam and without us asking them to bring proofs, we accept that and change our faith, then we have not done a good job as Muslims. If we do not have the knowledge of Quran except we quote around verses to support our beliefs, then I think we have a more important thing to do, which is to understand the word of God. The article says that Quran says Jesus (pbuh) is a Christian. This is not at all true! I would tell that Christian that he does not have his facts straight and that he should bring his proof from the Quran.
I did not read the entire Hadith that you quoted. I did not get time to check its authenticity etc, but I must apprise you that a prophet of God is also a messenger of God. For instance, prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a prophet of God as well as a messenger of God. It is being a messenger of God that the fate of his opponents is decided in the world, and it is a messenger of God that is never killed by his opponents and the like. Such was the case of the Prophet (pbuh). Other prophets, who were not messengers of God, were killed by their opponents. For instance, see Al-Baqarah 2:91, Al-e-Imran 3:21. Therefore, Jesus (pbuh) coming as a prophet of God does not mean that he will also not be a messenger of God. It is possible and since it has been mentioned that “Isa ibn-e-Mariyam” was a messenger of God and ahadith that mention him also use the same phrase, it would be suprising that the person actually is different!
If one believes that Jesus son of Mary has died and that the same person cannot come again, then ahadith conflict with the Quran. If someone believes this, then the most appropriate approach would be to say that these ahadith may have conflicted with the Quran or that their interpretation is beyond us right now, when we understand we will accept them. But I cannot believe that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) would say ‘Isa ibn mariyam’ (the prophet) would come when he actually did not mean that and meant someone else.
It is very simple. If I am named Omer son of Iqbal and there is only one Omer son of Iqbal at this moment. Everyone is told that Omer son of Iqbal will come, how can it be taken to mean that there is another person and we were actually talking about him? When Quran comes to the names of the Prophets, Messengers, personalities, it is never metaphorical.
Alternatively, one can also say that he may have died, but God is all Powerful and He can bring him back to life. He has done it with other people as I noted above with references from Quran.
Essentially, one’s belief that Jesus (pbuh) has died does not necessarily lead to one conclusion which you have drawn.
As for our beliefs, I think there is not even a single belief that emanates from outside of Quran. The primary concept of Hadith is practices and prophetic teachings, explanation of Quran. Quran has labelled itself the criterion of right and wrong, if there is something right or wrong, it has to be in Quran, not outside of it. Having said that, if we look at previous scriptures, nations were told about the prophets of God that were to come. For instance, old testament mentions both that a ‘Messiah’ will come and that a ‘prophet’ will come. New testament also leads us to the fact that a ‘prophet’ shall come. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came and claimed that he was that prophet mentioned in those books. However, Quran makes NO claim whatsoever that a new prophet or messenger shall come. If Quran is the criterion of right and wrong, the thing that will lead me to salvation, that which God has called guidance, then how can it miss such an important belief? Naoodo billah, wouldn’t that mean that God is trying to misguide us by not telling us that there is another prophet to come?
Brother, the most important point is that if there is a prophet to come, then it must be based on Quran as all beliefs are based on Quran if one truly believes that this book is path to their salvation. I believe all beliefs are in Quran and that following it suffices for my salvation, everything else helps me understand religion, shows me practices, shows me values and so forth, but not beliefs.
Nobody needs to prove that Jesus (pbuh) is alive or dead from the Quran, it is not important. The most improtant thing is that God has not foretold us about any new messenger or prophet and that suffices for it.
If you think Quran suffices for your salvation, then I would say that you think about this matter again with an open mind.
Only the very best,
Omer Iqbal
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***~ ***Two Different Personalities having same name SON OF MARY ~
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/001.smt.html
Book 001, Number 0317:
Abu al-'Aliya reported: Ibn Abbas, the son of your Prophet’s uncle, told us that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) had observed: On the night of my night journey I passed by Moses b. 'Imran (peace be upon him), a man light brown in complexion, tall. well-built as if he was one of the men of the Shanu’a, and saw Jesus son of Mary as a medium-statured man with white and red complexion and crisp hair, and I was shown Malik the guardian of Fire, and Dajjal amongst the signs which were shown to me by Allah. He (the narrator) observed: Then do not doubt his (i. e. of the Holy Prophet) meeting with him (Moses). Qatada elucidated it thus: Verily the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him), met Moses (peace be upon him).
*Book 001, Number 0327: *
'Abdullah reported on the authority of his father 'Umar b. Khattab that he heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) say: I was sleeping when I saw myself making circuit around the Ka’bah, and I saw there a man of fair complexion with straight hair between two men. Water was flowing from his head or water was falling from his head. I said: Who is he? They answered: He is the son of Mary. Then I moved forward and cast a glance and there was a bulky man of red complexion with thick locks of hair on his head, blind of one eye as it his eye was a swollen grape. I asked: Who is he? They said: He is Dajjal. He had close resemblance with Ibn Qatan amongst men.
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