In U.S., fear and distrust of Muslims runs deep

It seems that things are in bad shape for muslims in US.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061201/…uslims_fear_dc

By Bernd Debusmann, Special Correspondent
Fri Dec 1, 9:05 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters)- When radio host Jerry Klein suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band, the phone lines jammed instantly.

The first caller to the station in Washington said that Klein must be “off his rocker.” The second congratulated him and added: “Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country … they are here to kill us.”

Another said that tattoos, armbands and other identifying markers such as crescent marks on driver’s licenses, passports and birth certificates did not go far enough. “What good is identifying them?” he asked. “You have to set up encampments like during World War Two with the Japanese and Germans.”

At the end of the one-hour show, rich with arguments on why visual identification of “the threat in our midst” would alleviate the public’s fears, Klein revealed that he had staged a hoax. It drew out reactions that are not uncommon in post-9/11 America.

“I can’t believe any of you are sick enough to have agreed for one second with anything I said,” he told his audience on the AM station 630 WMAL (http://www.wmal.com/), which covers Washington, Northern Virginia and Maryland

"For me to suggest to tattoo marks on people’s bodies, have them wear armbands, put a crescent moon on their driver’s license on their passport or birth certificate is disgusting. It’s beyond disgusting.

“Because basically what you just did was show me how the German people allowed what happened to the Jews to happen … We need to separate them, we need to tattoo their arms, we need to make them wear the yellow Star of David, we need to put them in concentration camps, we basically just need to kill them all because they are dangerous.”

The show aired on November 26, the Sunday after the Thanksgiving holiday, and Klein said in an interview afterwards he had been surprised by the response.

“The switchboard went from empty to totally jammed within minutes,” said Klein. “There were plenty of callers angry with me, but there were plenty who agreed.”

POLLS SHOW WIDESPREAD ANTI-MUSLIM SENTIMENT

Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

Roughly a quarter of those polled said they would not want to live next door to a Muslim and a third thought that Muslims in the United States sympathized with al Qaeda, the extremist group behind the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

A poll carried out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group, found that for one in three Americans, the word Islam triggers negative connotations such as “war,” “hatred” and “terrorist.” The war in Iraq has contributed to such perceptions.

Klein’s show followed a week of heated discussions on talk radio, including his own, and online forums over an incident on November 22 involving six Muslim clerics. They were handcuffed and taken off a US Airways flight after passengers reported “suspicious behavior” that included praying in the departure gate area.

The clerics, on their way to a meeting of the North American Imams Federation, were detained in a holding cell, questioned by police and FBI agents, and released. Muslim community leaders saw the incident as yet more evidence of anti-Muslim prejudice.

IGNORANCE SEEN AS KEY PROBLEM

Several American Muslims interviewed on the subject of prejudice over the past few weeks said ignorance was at the core of the problem.

“The level of knowledge is very, very low,” said Mohamed Esa, a U.S. Muslim of Arab descent who teaches a course on Islam at McDaniel College in Maryland. “There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and some people think they are all terrorists.”

Hossam Ahmed, a retired Air Force Reserve colonel who occasionally leads prayer meetings for the small Muslim congregation at the Pentagon, agreed. “Ignorance is the number one problem. Education is of the essence.”

There are no hard figures on how many Muslims have been subject to harassment or prejudice and community leaders say that ugly incidents can prompt spontaneous expressions of support. Such as the e-mail a Minneapolis woman sent to CAIR after the imams were taken off their flight.

“I would like to … help,” the e-mail said. “While I cannot offer plane tickets, I would be happy to drive at least 2 or 3 of them. My car is small, but at least some of our hearts in this land of the free are large.”

And optimists saw signs of change in the November 4 election of the first Muslim to the U.S. House of Representatives, which has 435 members.

Democrat Keith Ellison, a 43-year-old African-American lawyer, did not stress his religion during his campaign for a Minnesota seat, but said his victory would “signal to people who are not Muslims that Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country.”

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Not surprising.

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as if canada is any better. I mean atleast the bigots here have something to use as an excuse for their prejudice. Whats the deal in Canada, the idiots there have been goign around and actuall burnt a gurdwara thinking it was a masjid.. proving the stupid canadian theory true again :)

So its ignorance and its sad, all we can do is to try and erase some of it.
each statistic shows that its is a minority, albeit a large number that supports such stuff.

When we get outraged like this, please for a minute realize that in Pakistan people's religion is ont their documentation, and has been for ages. We should be equally outraged that we allowed that to happen in our country (or our parents home country..however it applies). The ugly bigoted views remind me of the prejudice against jews in Arab countries .. based on stereotypes and conspiracy theories .. as majority of them have probably never been in contact with a jew.

Is this right? no... but lets not act as if thsi is some sort of unique phenomenon. idiots the world over may hate each other's groups, countries, faiths etc, but they ahve one thing in common.. i.e. being an idiot.

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especially given the way u feel about them

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The ignorance level in the US far exceeds that in Canada, and as a matter of fact, probably far exceeds that in the world. So to talk about Canada’s ignorance level when most of the ignorant ones in the US don’t even know where Canada is, is quite funny. Yeah, ignorance is everywhere, but when the level of ignorance is so rampant in society, from the uneducated, to the well educated, to the goverment, it’s likely to be more common.

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unkil jee ur forgetting the # of sikhs killed in USA after 911…just bcos they wore turbans and had beards…how about that for ignorance…its easy to point fingers at others without looking at ur own faults n shortcomings.i have yet to see a nation as ignorant n arrogant as USA from public to government.bunch of racists and bigotsn then they say why world hate us.:halo: :nook:

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wow that's sick..

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And sikhs hav enot been mistaken for being muslim? sikhs were not beaten up or killed after 9/11 by racist idiots thinking they were Muslim?

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*The ignorance level in the US far exceeds that in Canada, and as a matter of fact, probably far exceeds that in the world. *

if by ignorance you mean the type of hatred you see in racist punks here, you are absolutely incorrect. As far as i recall canada was not attacked and has not been attacked so why all the anti muslim sentiment there?

*So to talk about Canada's ignorance level when most of the ignorant ones in the US don't even know where Canada is, is quite funny. *

They dont know where Canada is because in the greater sceme of things Canada does not matter, it is an impotent country which is an 'also ran' when it comes to any feild in the world, drom since and technology, to business and entertainmet.
canadains seem to have this cip on their shoulders against americans, but you know what, look at the rest of the world too, in general no ones gives a rats ass about canada.

** Yeah, ignorance is everywhere, but when the level of ignorance is so rampant in society, from the uneducated, to the well educated, to the goverment, it's likely to be more common.**

canada does not seem to be doing much better. read some of the stats and opinion surveys in Canada first. And this is a country that is not even under attack, canadians dont see masked men saying death to Canada ... so what is their beef.

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They have ben, but the point is that atleast the bigots in US have an excuse, what is the canadian bigots excuse?

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unkil jee ur forgetting the # of sikhs killed in USA after 911…just bcos they wore turbans and had beards…

Oh no, I am not the one forgetting anything, that has been talked about, and if you had bothered to read my responses to anything that I wrote, you woukd know I am completely against the bigots in US, and have called talk shows many times.

how about that for ignorance…its easy to point fingers at others without looking at ur own faults n shortcomings.

exactly exactly, so when canadians jump up and down about US being so prejudiced, they should bother to read opinion surveys in their own country, events that have taken place in their own country, statements made by their own officials so they come across with less of a holier than thou attitude.

i have yet to see a nation as ignorant n arrogant as USA from public to government.bunch of racists and bigotsn then they say why world hate us.:halo: :nook:

If you are yet to see it then you have not been lokking around much, from countries like netherlands who are talking about banning hijab and making dutch as a requirement, to places liek KSA where err you can not oractice anything in public except the state religion (sect), to Israel where some politicians openly want to evict arab israeilis…

US just gets in the news more, so people who have not really made an attempt to see what else is going on in the world just live under those pretenses.

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Actually, by ignorance, I mean sheer stupidity. See the below link for an example;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZAHRpsR7dU

That’s just an excuse for American stupidity since in reality, nothing matters to Americans beyond their borders, which is one of the factors of their ignorance. The government of US seems to think Canada is important to them since it keeps begging them for more help overseas.

I think Canada is better off with other countries “not caring” about us than other countries hating us, like in the American case…and for good reason to.

Canadians are much more aware of worldly matters than Americans are. Yeah Canada wasn’t under attack, and unfortunately our government decided to help the American terrorist activities overseas, and unfortunately some ignorant people here get riled up about it, and eventually the current government will pay for it.

Again…just for laughs…

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Completely agree, ignorance is the main culprit when it comes to these kind of perceptions.

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Actually, by ignorance, I mean sheer stupidity. See the below link for an example;

canadians seem to latch on to sheer stupidity of some americans but fail to see the sheer brilliance of others. when was the last time canada made some contribution to the civilization :)

yeah there are many americans that are just plain idiots, or unaware/ignorant of anything outside of their county, but then there are those that have made the biggest contributions to modrn civilization.

I think Canada is better off with other countries "not caring" about us than other countries hating us, like in the American case..........and for good reason to.

good, so canada and canadians should learn to live with the fact that they are basically inconsequential and not have a chip on their shoulder :)

*Canadians are *much more aware of worldly matters than Americans are. **

if wordly matters mean US matters then yes, but beyond that I dont see a significant difference.

Yeah Canada wasn't under attack, and unfortunately our government decided to help the American terrorist activities overseas, and unfortunately some ignorant people here get riled up about it, and eventually the current government will pay for it.

So by your own token your govt is taking part in 'terrorist' activities.

btw have you read polls about limiting muslim immigration to US, seems liek quebec and alberta take the cake and pretty prejudiced states, or polls on banning the veil etc in public schools :)

For a country that gets ignored even by the most rabid militants, canadians sure seem to dislike muslims quite a bit.

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I get singled out regularly... Crossing the Mexcio-US border regularly, they stop me whenver they find out im of Pakistani origin. Its pisses me off and I feel a lot less "American" for it, but at the same time, deep down I dont blame them.
Americans owe nothing to us. For as much as we hate it, it was Muslims who attacked the world trade center, and American have a right to be afraid. Its sad that the Imams were kicked off the plane and treated the way they were, but thats the life of muslim in America.
Muslims dont have the right to complain in the same way that Blacks did for their rights... Because unlike the Muslims, there were no blacks doing whatever they could to kill as many Americans as possible.
We are simply caught in crossfire. On the one hand the American govt and society discriminate due to fear, and the other you have the terrorists who are constantly smearing mud all over the face of Islam and causing untold misery to the Muslim Americans.

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if the posters of GS were living in America, then America should be worried. and should be worried and distrustful of Muslims.

PIR SAHIB, Canada is not as bad as you think. :)

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Hahah... watching the whole American / Canadian fight thing is always a source of great amusement for me :D

Here's something for you lot to all agree on: things are plain better in Britain :p

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When you run into 15 Americans in a row who are as dumb as nails, then I would hope that the next person you run into would be intelligent, but still ignorant :wink:

Of course, and unfortunately for the US, they are barely a fraction of the population.

Canadians don’t have a chip on their shoulder. It’s actually the other way around. Americans just love to take shots at things they know nothing about, Canada is one of them. Fortunately for us, it allows for many comedians to make a decent living :wink:

Americans should just learn to live with the fact that they are regarded as the most ignorant nation on the face of the earth, and not have a chip on their shoulder because nobody respects them

Americans need to realize that there is a world beyond their borders, which is a major problem. It’s kind of scary how people end up with that mentatlity over there. Makes you wonder what they hell they teach children in school.

Absolutely

Haven’t read them, maybe you can provide the links.

For every one person that dislikes Muslims in Canada, there are 50 that want them branded in the US :wink:

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Canada is not as bad as you think, thats I think, it is.
but canada is not as good as some folks make it out to be :slight_smile:

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really? :slight_smile: I dont find them much different.
dontcha remember cops breaking ins oem 2 dudes house and then accidentally (yet accurately) shooting one bloke and then not bothering to apologize and public not giving a damn about it.

Maddie, you would have succeeded had you been trying to convince someone wh does not know UK. Racism runs deep in UK and while the metropolitan folks In London are in general civil, its not the same in backwater places like barnsley or bradford