In the midst of severe power crisis, govt unwilling to buy cheap elec from Iran

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A) Do you know that most of Iranian gas/oil and major production facilities are on its West side,

While Pakistan's major needs and oil/gas/electric centers are on the East side.

B) Considering A), the physical distance between the producer and consumer side is roughly 700-1000 miles (900 km to 1600 km)? And it is mostly hilly terrain (unlike flat desert areas in some other areas of the Middle East).

C) Do any of you emotional types know what the "infrastructure cost" is to

  1. Lay the gas pipelines from Iran West to the Pakistan East? Roughly 700-1000 miles of hilly terrain.

  2. Same as #1 but for laying electricity lines.

Thank you.

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Re: In the midst of severe power crisis, govt unwilling to buy cheap elec from Iran

Its a simple word. Investment. That leads to job creation. Which leads to income which leads to PPP. A very simplistic version for Posh Spice.

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Ayeeen bayyeeen shaayyeeen again.

The specific question was about cost estimate. Is it in the range of $1 billion or $5 billion or $15 billion.

Once you know the cost, then the next thing is, Who is going to pay for that $hite. And that my friend is some international bank who is ready to assume the risk.

You don't walk over with a bagful of your coins and say "Buddy I wOODD Lake to Build the fing paplane."

Then the money is secured form an international bank.

Then only then one can talk about jobs and such.

Do not put cart in front of the sickly horse.

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Yeah that is why we already signed the IPI right? :rolleyes:

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Yeap!

Pakistan has no money and the international manufactures do not accept Ahmadenjejat as a guarantor of $100 let alone (roughly) $5-10 billion worth of supplies needed just to start the IPI construction.

And that’s why IPI is hosed (no pun intended).

IPI had hopes when India was part of the deal. Because Indians (and other hard working civilized countries like Chinese, and S. Koreans) are rolling in cash $$$$$ these days.

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here you go…

LexisNexis News - Latest News from over 4,000 sources, including newspapers, tv transcripts, wire services, magazines, journals.

…China has expressed keen interest in investing $2.5 billion in Pak-Iran gas pipeline project while Islamabad has also started talks with Beijing to purchase technical equipments to be used for laying down the pipeline.

According to sources within the Petroleum Ministry, China is interested to see the project is extended to its territory and a delegation would visit Pakistan in the second week of next month to discuss these matters. After inclusion of China, Pakistan would get an amount of $200 to $500 million annually as transit fee. …

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Ouch!

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yeah. This has been around for a long time. Chinese surely have more cash $$$ available than Indians.

So if they get in the act and put $$$ where their mouth is, then papline could be a reality.

However electricity lines do not have any such backing (not so far). So Pakistan has to pony up $billions that it doesn’t have.

Coming back to the gas pipeline.

In reality, Iran is most vocal because it wants to bust the sanctions.

India, Iran, and to a great extent Pakistan are all using Irani isolation to their own advantage as:

  1. Forcing Iran to sell cheaper gas
  2. Securing special deals from the USA.

The bottom line is that Iranians are no angels

And Pakistanis, Indians, and Chinese are all in it to see how they can make money.

But us the Pakistani educated elite should not read too much into it until the fat lady aka Ahmadenejat sings the right tunes.

Until then,

na no mund tail ho ga na radha naachay gi.

And thus

no electricity lines from Iran to Pak

And

no papline either.

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^ the essay makes no sense.

Its just that if China is also interested, then your argument of the project being financially not feasible because of the infrastructure involved is thrown out of the window.

Pakistan, Iran, India and China are all interested, ofcourse for their own benefit. Everyone wants the project to go ahead except Uncle Sam.

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Read Again. I said "If China is interested the project MAY move ahead ....."

The question is all about "BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG IF".

If and when China shows up with the hard cash, off course the situation will change.

But it hasn't changed.

And that's the problem. Got it?

Put the other way.

Iran is a girl with "BBBBBAAAAD reputation". ;) So everyone wants to sleep with her, but no wants to marry her. only the bad girl's mother aka oil minister keeps on shouting, rishta mill ga-ya, mill ga-ya, kal he ho jai gi shaadi, ub batao, tum kero ga shadi is larki say keh nahin.

Everyone knows that's bluffing, huffing, and puffing. It will only happen when baraat actually shows up at the door.

But you my friend are are already eating cho-haaras aka dried dates.

Kaka bhai!

Hopefully now you understand why there are no long term aka marriage contracts with Iran. At least not so far!

p.s. I wish Pakistanis could copy Chinese and work hard and earn $billions from the West like Chinese do. Perhaps it is too much to ask from the hot headed Pakistani educated elite (at least majority of them).

Had we enough $$$ we could be the Chinese and show up with $2.5 billion ourselves and offer to marry the baaaad lurki.

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^ No substance. Just random rants.

Thank you.

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Do you slave-type Zionism-apologist crusader know that people who make business deals among countries are not stupid to not know such obvious costs?
Don't you know that Iran is ALREADY supplying electricity to Pakistan in Baluchistan?

This project may or may not work. Even though I don't see why it won't work. But your blind opposition to it shows that your goal is not to hope and work for Pakistan's future.

Anti-Pakistan fanatics like you had a better nick before. "ANTI-OBL". Because that's what you are. A MIRROR-IMAGE OF OSAMA.

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So how much is the cost of setting up super high capacity electric lines (to carry millions of watts) from Iran West to Pak-East.

And cut this cr@p of personal attacks. (slaves of Popes and Mullahs accusing others of slavery! hahahahah)

And how many millions of watts is that?

Talk about figures and facts here.

Thank you.

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So how much is the cost of setting up super high capacity electric lines (to carry millions of watts) from Iran West to Pak-East.
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How could I know? Do you think I am involved in feasibility studies? However, I have yet to see a news item which says that this project is not feasible. This is opposite to your claims.

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Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
Bilour ‘shocked’ over Ashraf’s refusal of Iranian electricity

By Tahir Niaz

ISLAMABAD: Senator Ilyas Bilour on Wednesday expressed ‘shock’ over the water and power minister’s lack of interest in the Iranian offer of supplying Pakistan 1,000 megawatts (MW) of electricity through Balochistan at a time when the country is facing a severe power crisis.

Speaking on a point of order, Bilour said the Iranian ambassador to Pakistan had told him during a recent meeting that Tehran had offered to supply 1,000 MW of electricity but Islamabad was not interested in the offer. Bilour said he talked to Raja Pervez Ashraf on the issue but could not get a clear reply from the power minister. He criticised Ashraf for not being serious about the offer at a time when Pakistanis were greatly suffering from load shedding.

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If you are the biggest proponent of this idea at least on this thread, then it is upon you to do your homework beforehand.

Every project in the world is feasible as long as the money to set up the facilities is there.

If Pakistan had $2-5 billion to pay for construction of lines from Iran-West to Pak-East, we would have already paid the oil bills to our power produces.

The problem is that we don't have money, because our people do not want to pay the market price, or worse! Not pay at all.

And as they say! There is no free lunch, not even from Iran.

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This is priceless. :D a genuine economics guru!!!!

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I have not seen any report that may explain why this project will not work, except some sycophant anti-obl's howling for Amreekis with complete disregard to Pakistan's needs.
It is YOU who raised the idea that this is not "economical". So burden is on you to prove your own point by citing some references.
Your own estimates matter JACK.

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Personal attacks again! Looks like some mods are especially protecting you.

Instead of personal attacks, give us some idea about the cost of this project and who will pay for it and who will guarantee it.

Otherwise it is just aaaayeeeen baaaayeeeen shaaayeeen.

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burqa:

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Instead of personal attacks, give us some idea about the cost of this project and who will pay for it and who will guarantee it.
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then you will ask me what route will it follow. What engineers will be working on the project. Who will be auditor and who will be the accountant.

Shabash bachha shabash. So much for the "Pakistan first" argument. تم جیسے لوگ اور طالبان ایک ہی تھیلی کے چٹے بٹے ہو۔

What personal attacks are you talking about?

Now I am asking again. If you have doubts about feasibility of the project then show us some study here.