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The last thing I want is any sort of emotional or economic disengagement between the center and the provinces in Pakistan, but you seem adamant to disintegrating the entire nation.
Do you truly feel you'd be better of if Balocuhistan or Sindh were independent from the Pakistani federation?
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Do you think that Balochistan, Pashtunkhwa or Sindh are currently very close to the Punjab dominated center? Even South Punjab is disillusioned with the current Pakistani setup. And did East Pakistan fall because they were given to much power or too little power?
I personally think there is advantage in unity but that unity has to be one of equals not masters and slaves. Why does no one read the Lahore resolution anymore?
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If Balochistan was so inviting like Dubai, Florida or California. If Balochis were accommodating and "tourist friendly" and still no one showed up there, only then you had a point. /quote]
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The people of Dubai are in control of their own resources, including coasts.
There is no Punjabi army pressing them to obey their orders. There are no Lahori chodaries distributing their coastal lands to their ow Punjabis. There are no plans of millions of surplus punjabi popultions being shifted to their rich coastal areas. Punjab is not the one making $ 5 billion contracts with China for their Ports, without even consulting the local people.
The people of Dubai are in full control of what is theirs. They invite people like business contractors, not owners of their ports. They use them for their own benifits and send them back at the end of the contract or when they are not needed any more. The money generated from the ports is 100 % spent on the development of Dubai, it does not go to Punjab or for that matter to Baghdad.
Your rusty clogged brains are just talking nonsense. Comparing apples with oranges-- a colonized nation with an indepent one.
As i said, just try to open your eyes and get out of your Pak-studies mentallity, only then there is a chance you will see the reality and come up with statement that will make sense to all.
Gahez
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Putter, dont forget the current dictator is a non-Punjabi.. Why do you say south Punjab is disillusioned with the current Pakistani setup? East Pakistan fell because it had to. We, Punjabis have been making sacrifices since the inception of Pakistan and would continue to do so. There is always a tendency to lash out at the majority for everything like whites are always blamed for everything in the US, Hindoos in India and Punjabis in Pakistan.
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East Pakistan was an ill conceived idea, given the geo-cultural realities of it.
But what we have now, this unit can be sustained eternally, insha-allah.
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But what we have now, this unit can be sustained eternally, insha-allah.
and when some other part, lets say Baluchistan falls, we'll be saying "o that part was just all scrap, good riddance".
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It wont fall. I believe in Allah's guiding hand over Pakistan. Or maybe thats the beer talking.
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Mulz saab
The current dictator is a non punjabi but his power base in punjabi.There is some opposition for him in sindh,balochistan and NWFP but the whole punjab is with king's party(PML Q).Check out the present setup the majority of the MNAs,MPAs are supporting PML Q or PPP patriots.The whole military and civil establishment is with the dictator.why are they supporting him in the first place??
The provinces cant blame everything on punjab thats unfair.I think the whole fuedal/tribal culture of balochistan and rest of pakistan is the real problem.
Sardar Bugti takes billions of rupees from the government but dont spend it on balochistan.Those who have sympathy with him dont know this sardar.They dont want to face any opposition.saleem bugti his son who used to live in karachi and plot next to their home was occupied by his guards.With 20 25 guards with arms can anyone live their without worrying about those guards???
sardar bugti's grandson shahzawar was notorious for his fights all over karachi.
I think these sardars have a ganster like attitude they cant face opposition.whether it comes from the messoris,kalpars or ranjhas of dera bugti or someone from karachi
Get rid of these sardars and if the government is sincere take actions against these sardars and not ordinary balochs.
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Kill his whole family. Men, women and children.
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Arrey yaar aisa na bolo yaar! This problem of Balochistan has been since the independence- they wanted to be free or be with India if I am right but they slowly started adjusting in new Pakistan but then that idiot Bhutto complicated the problem by sending the army there and killing 1000s of ppl…
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Aap sachchi mein leg break karney waaley ho?
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I don't want to, but if our politicians keep screwing our nation, some specific parts of country, then those people are human being to and we should have sympathies for them. If Baluchistan wanted to be part of India right from beginning then more the reason to make them happier rather then kicking them in their face.
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Lekin kaptaan sahib- Isn’t it like questioning the two-nation theory completely? There’s nothing with baloch ppl- they are warm and nice.
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The events of 71 were certainly going away from the TWO NATION THEORY and balochistan had different setup before partition.There were princely states in the present balochistan region opted for pakistan but at the same time they wanted autonomy.
Right from the begining the establishment’s attitude was harsh against the balochis and especially what the state did to khan of kalat’s family.
They dont want to be with India. The movement for greater balochistan that is joining with irani balochistan was the movement of past and presently they want liberation from pakistan.
If the government dont want to negotiate with the separatists who dont have much following. The government should atleast have a dialogue with those nationalists who want greater autonomy
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Arabs controlling their own resources? That's news to me. Oh Baboo raam, midgets states like UAE, Kuwait, or Qatar need an army's sheild. So what if it is not a "Punjabi" army, defending their shores. But the uniforms are very similar and the skin color may not be. Yes Siri, UK and US provide that shield and in return take their "share".
The difference is that good Arabs give the US its due share + smiles. Learn the lesson, Iraq defied the "shield" and look what happened to it.
Same thing with Balochistan, you don't like Punjabi Shield, well someone else has to come in.
Hmmm! Who could that be? Iranians, Bharatis, or Amrikis?
No matter what, you have to pay the share to the "shield" and you can't say Oh I can only afford 2%.
Again if Balochis make a mess with whatever the army of the time is, they will be punished and punished hard. Pakistani army may be using Cobra gunship, If you guys ever invite American wrath, the answer will be carpet bombing or other gifts such as "daisy cutters". Ask the Afghan Pushtoons and their "supporters" from Malakand. What happens when an American daisy cutter explodes. They will tell you all about the "gory" details.
If you don't believe Pushtoon's punishment, then go over and check with good ole Republican Guards (or whatever is left of them).
Bottom line, be nice and life will be good for you, otherwise the hell is never that far away.
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Ok. I would give more autonomy to Balochistan, open borders with Iranian Blochistan- so that relatives and friends can meet from time to time etc.
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I was speaking with a Balochi freind about this conflict.
They have an entirely legitamate grievance with the govt. on the issue of a lack of development and exploitation, that cannot be denied. But as with most things, this is not a black and white issue. There is a fair bit of interferance from the Balochi sardars who oppose development (though they may not admit it)
The govt has good reason to be worried since they are alienating regular people.
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how is it a question of 2 nation theory? There are always elements of 'dissent', 'separation' in every state/country whether they are only 0.001% or 1% but they are everywhere.
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It is the same thing going on in Iraq. Outsiders can't magically alter others conditions if they themselves don't want to change it. It is Balochis who will ultimately need to throw the sardars out, Punjabis or Pashtuns can't do it for them. We need to show some respect for Balochs and give them autonomy so they can fix their own problems in their own way. Maybe it will take 50 years or maybe they will fail, but so what? Is it not their lives in the end? And they will have no one to blame but themselves if they do fail. That is the biggest incentive one can have, especially people with such a huge ego and honour as Balochis. All provinces need more autonomy.
This is the era of landmines and IED's and even the US army cannot defeat this menace, Pak army has litte hope of anything but political situation.