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Or a capa si él es un torero o tu es de méxico.
whoa...hey cool..
dude how uch do u charge to do some landscaping?
Sorry but main urdu nahin bolta.
hahahaah classic
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Or a capa si él es un torero o tu es de méxico.
Sorry but main urdu nahin bolta.
Hum bolay ga
to bolo gay kay bolta hai
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LOL!!
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wat can i say…i really didnt join this forum to discuss politics or blak…where as what i c is instead of gupping they r talking every thing literal. (might b reasoning is i m not dat educate n every one is ruined by education :D) but i m glad u raise this point. Y PPL CANT COME UP WID POINTLESS TOPICZ… 
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People of the world hate amrika for a reason. Its the things amrika does that in most cases violate countless basic human rights of people of other nations to protect its own interests. Amrika then has the audacity to point fingers at others of doing the same.
If you have an hour to kill, go through this documentary: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=255145
This is something done back in the 60s. Ofcourse it took this many decades to have this info declassified. Imagine what else has the righteous amrika been doing all this while fiddling around with nations and the lives of thousands of innocent people around the world.
No single nation is a saint, but amrika takes the cake really.
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Mama, don't Americans ever step back to wonder why they are pretty much hated everywhere? At what point do you stop blaming the population of other people and start looking at your government and the ignorance of a large percentage of your own population.
Also, its slightly presumptuous of you to assume that we are all Pakistani residents. In fact, i betcha that the better versed USA critics are not. Another thing, why are you looking at American hatred though GS alone? I assure you that the sentiment is more hostile and rampant in the real world population. I'm not talking about in fundos etc, but white middle class brits. You aren't too popular there either.
As to what we would do? Surely you need to be asking "what ARE we doing"
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as i typed this a real life cuckoo bird had flown into the house, was sitting on the window sill and singing to me in its dulcet tones "CUCKOO CUCKOO"
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Fareed Zakaria is a very smart critic and a journalist. He used to appear regularly on Sunday morning shows; now, he has his own Sunday show which is aired on PBS.
The BIG problem here is that Fareed Zakaria is probably the lone (or a member of an extremely small minority) voice of reason in the country. I wish more people had the “audacity” to speak out about the fear politics. Another problem is that in a news/national debate culture of sound bites, his LONG article will be read by a few.
Kudos to Fareed Zakaria for attempting to raise the level of intelligence in the public discourse as the country desperately needs it.
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Hitchki, I really dont have to wonder very much whey americans are disliked the world over....its pretty apparent, yeah? And America, as does every country, has its fair share of idiots. Perhaps maybe more than its fair share.
I was not intending this thread to be an attack. Take a peek at the "british schoolchildren" thread - this is what prompted me to ask this question and start this thread....I mean just how does Pakistan's nuclear capability or the history of america fit in there? This type of non-related response has happened more than once or twice yeah? The people who respond in that manner are the ones who interest me, I dont understand them and they are here on GS as am I....This isnt the place to come find out why Italians or French people have a problem with Americans, yeah? I have a personal interest in Pakistan - married to my Desi hubby, we have family there and I love the country. Hence the interest in all things Desi. If you were in my shoes, wouldnt you also want to understand the hatred? Yes, america has a big problem with war-mongering over oil and foreign policy but does that mean there should be a call of "death to americans"? And gleeful dancing in the streets when innocent americans are attacked? Hopeful braggart-type talk about Pakistan's nukes? Its that very small group of people to whom I was asking the questions at the start of all this.
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The majority of posters here have a mature outlook on life, politics and world-view. There are a few however who bash "amrika" at every opportunity. Its to those people I'd like to ask some things - in a thoughtful and mature manner.
While you disregard all problems in Pakistan and bring up all the evils that the americans have done...I'm wondering what YOU would have done - AT THOSE TIMES and in those circumstances. You have these vast resources at your command, both natural resources and human resources. So you clobber the Jews and the christians? THEN what? What would be your plan - and would you really have done things differently - given the time period and knowledge at the time the offenses were committed? And given the fact that you had the "upper hand"? I mean, it certainly sounds in the postings as if (those few of you) would use that Upper hand to destroy the entire population of Amrika...how does that make you better than Hitler? Or you have some OTHER plan that would bring about a better world?
I am in no way trying to justify the wrongs that have been committed over the course of the past 250 years...I would just like to know how YOU'd handle the situations if you were in the "seat of power" so to speak....would you do the same - mass genocides, wars, economic sanctions at the expense of poor people (white or not)? Or what?
This is not meant to be a nasty or mean thread...I truly want to understand where you're coming from and how to stem the tide of hatred for us "amrikans"?
There is a difference between what is likely to happen, and what people would like to do if they were in the position america is. What is likely to happen is pretty much the same perpetuation of idiocy that power brings, perhaps directed towards different people. After all Pakistanies are more or less in power in Pakistan, and the behaviour of the elite is pretty much the same if not worse than the behaviour of america.
What people would like to think they'd do is
a) Equitable and just solution to various conflicts around the world Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq, Darfur amongst them.
b) Equitable redistribution of wealth, more support for Africa and other developing countries
c) End to unilateralism on matters such as the environment, exploitation of resources, waste management, globalization
e) End to support of cruel dictatorial regimes merely for fiscal/strategic gains
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a) Equitable and just solution to various conflicts around the world Kashmir, Palestine, Iraq, Darfur amongst them.
And the muslim world doesn't bear just as much responsibility on these issues? Where is the OIC? If they wanted to really apply pressure, then they absolutely could. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan both had enough influence with the United States to affect policy, but chose not to. Pakistan could have had nearly anything after 9/11, and look what the government chose - 'Sir, could we please have some airplanes and some cash?' - Give me a break. The situation in Darfur is revolting because muslim countries have turned their backs and refuse to admit that there is a crises.
b) Equitable redistribution of wealth, more support for Africa and other developing countries
That's called socialism - lovely on paper, doesn't work so well in the real world. Most African countries bear a striking similarity to Mexico - they are RICH in natural resources. Mexico is not a poor country, but it suffers from poor governance.
I am very weary of this "poor me, I am downtrodden because the US and Israel make me downtrodden." If you are a Palestinian, this statement is true - if you aren't, then grow a backbone and do something about it. Those of you who live in the US and do nothing are the biggest hypocrites, because you have every opportunity to affect policy and choose not to, either from apathy or sheer laziness. Middle-class muslim immigrants to the US have had the easiest integration of nearly any large ethnic migration. Look at the way Italians were received (Sacco & Vanzetti), the Irish, Jews, Chinese laborers, Latinos, etc. All were discriminated against and persecuted in ways that we never experienced until after 9/11. All have since formed powerful lobby groups.
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a) Pakistan could have had nearly anything after 9/11, and look what the government chose - 'Sir, could we please have some airplanes and some cash?' - Give me a break.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Pakistani govt. was out of favor of the US and the Europeans after the 'tests' and did'nt wield the "influence" you speak of. Another thing is that Pakisatan govt. officials (which is what was reported to Musharraf as well) was under the impression that they were getting a whuppin' after 9/11 so negotiating from the position of strength was not in their realm of possibility or conscience.
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Hindsight is 20/20.
Pakistani govt. was out of favor of the US and the Europeans after the 'tests' and did'nt wield the "influence" you speak of. Another thing is that Pakisatan govt. officials (which is what was reported to Musharraf as well) was under the impression that they were getting a whuppin' after 9/11 so negotiating from the position of strength was not in their realm of possibility or conscience.
Maybe - but basic negotiating skills dictate that one always asks for more than one would like to receive and that the parties meet half-way. You don't just yes "yes please" to the first offer on the table.
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Maybe - but basic negotiating skills dictate that one always asks for more than one would like to receive and that the parties meet half-way. You don't just yes "yes please" to the first offer on the table.
Pakistan's politicians and leaders can't communicate let alone negotiate.
I suspect under the circumstances, Pakisatnis were expecting a whuppin'
and wanted to minimize the ire and wrath of the US and the Western world.
You have to understand the Pakistani pscyhe as well: Pakistan's powerful
are bullies. They don't negotiate. Naturally, people who are used to bullying
and not negotiating, expect the same from others. If Pakistanis knew
how to negotiate (read: give and take), Pakistan would be a much better
place than it is now.
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mama as you said every nation has their share of idiots, ignore the pakistani idiots as you would ignore the americans one. other than that your posts has moot generalisations as fraudia pointed out.
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I had an incredibly intellectual reply to this thread which incredibly disappeared. I condemn all those who played a part in it including my ISP. 
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:) Mr Roman, never fear, I read your reply and it was indeed as you described! Alas its over in that subway-rider-eating-ice-cream thread. No matter, message received!