Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
Hahaha. You are kidding. Right?
Yes!
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
Yes!
Thank god. I knew u had to be joking, because who in the world could really believe the Indian team is better?!!?!?! ;)
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
^ and the dreaded wink is the weapon of choice of more than one poster. God help us all!
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
The main reason for India developing is that it had almost 45 years of strong socialism.
Forced land distribution gave land to the peasants + poor and destroyed the feudal system. Reservations in schools/govt jobs for lower castes and backward castes has also raised the collective status of people.
True....that went a long way.....Pakistan's problems are related to unholy alliance between feudal and political power. In a way Punjab's feudal class were the backers behind the scene of Pakistan's creation. Political class includes Armed force.
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If Pakistan can get rid of insurgency, it can still match India in growth.
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And whose fault was it. To start with most of the industries, even the British started owns are owned non-Muslims and situated in non-Muslim majority areas. From Tatas to V.O. Chidambaram Pillai (started shipping as a protest against British) started Industries in India much before independence.
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
And whose fault was it. To start with most of the industries, even the British started owns are owned non-Muslims and situated in non-Muslim majority areas. From Tatas to V.O. Chidambaram Pillai (started shipping as a protest against British) started Industries in India much before independence.
You could at least come up with a better reason/execuse to justify what ever you are trying to justify.. But regardless the point still stands, one inherited every thing and one started from scratch. BIG DIFFERENCE...
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
True....that went a long way.....Pakistan's problems are related to unholy alliance between feudal and political power. In a way Punjab's feudal class were the backers behind the scene of Pakistan's creation. Political class includes Armed force.
True. One just needs to look at leaders in Muslim League and INC at the time of independence to see this difference. ML had quite a few strong landlords and Congress consisted of a large number of middle class politicians.
As for the state of economy in 1947, Karachi's economy was not much far behind say Mumbai, Calcutta, Kuala Lumpur or even Singapore at that time.
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Poverty in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
According to the HDI, 60.3% of Pakistan’s population lives on under $2 a day, compared to 75.6% in nearby India and 81.3% in nearby Bangladesh, and some 22.6% live under $1 a day, compared to 41.6% in India and 49.6% in Bangladesh
I disagree that pakistan has less potential than India. if the governance issues are solved Pakistan can be a much more viable economy compared to India which has a huge economic disparity. The number of poor living under $2 and $1 are much higher in India. While boasting the wealth of top 100 wealthiest people in India, most of my Indian friends tend to forget that number of miserably poor in in India (living below $1/day) is almost double compared to Pakistan. Indians think that around 20% middle class is the whole of India. Around 50% odd extremely poor are also a part of Indian nation..
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
Pakistan needs to do a lot more besides tackling security to grow at India's pace. Education must be improved, infrastructure especially power distribution needs improvement, improved social indicators including birth rates, better governance, decreased corruption by tackling nepotism, and creating at the very least a perception of a safe place to invest.
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
If Japan, which is similar in geographic size to Pakistan but with almost none of natural resources can have the 3rd largest economy with only 120 Million people (approx), then why can’t Pakistan with all its natural resources, ease of trade, including with two massive markets directly on its door step, do something similar?
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
If Japan, which is similar in geographic size to Pakistan but with almost none of natural resources can have the 3rd largest economy with only 120 Million people (approx), then why can't Pakistan with all its natural resources, ease of trade, including with two massive markets directly on its door step, do something similar?
We just need good governance. The rest of the puzzle will automatically come together. I believe from the bottom of my heart that the future of Pakistan is very bright.. I have no doubt what-so-ever..
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
And whose fault was it. To start with most of the industries, even the British started owns are owned non-Muslimsand** situated in non-Muslim majority areas.** From Tatas to V.O. Chidambaram Pillai (started shipping as a protest against British) started Industries in India much before independence.
And that is fault of Pakistan?
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And that is fault of Pakistan?
Fault of creators of Pakistan, who had myopic vision. Thought through their heart and muscle not their brain.
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
True. One just needs to look at leaders in Muslim League and INC at the time of independence to see this difference. ML had quite a few strong landlords and Congress consisted of a large number of middle class politicians.
As for the state of economy in 1947, Karachi's economy was not much far behind say Mumbai, Calcutta, Kuala Lumpur or even Singapore at that time.
Yeah, look at the engine behind the Karachi economy at that time. The cosmopolitan nature of people and the British government created an environment to make that happen.
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You could at least come up with a better reason/execuse to justify what ever you are trying to justify.. But regardless the point still stands, one inherited every thing and one started from scratch. BIG DIFFERENCE...
You are missing the point, the same reasons are contributing to the lack of growth, that is the point. British started Industries where there was potential, where they could get man power that could not only labor but manage and do clerical work. Only a negligible % of British establishments (including government) are manned by whites and almost 95% of non-whites are also non-Muslims. Go figure. *While Muslims are no way inferior Hindus, but India had more people ready for the challenge of running independent country that Pakistan had. * Ready and willing to create industries, build dams, manage railways. With socialism, the growth slowed, but it had other benefits, that is stabler democracy, that can not be influenced by Money, Feudal or other powers.
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
You are missing the point, the same reasons are contributing to the lack of growth, that is the point. British started Industries where there was potential, where they could get man power that could not only labor but manage and do clerical work. Only a negligible % of British establishments (including government) are manned by whites and almost 95% of non-whites are also non-Muslims. Go figure. **While Muslims are no way inferior Hindus, but India had more people ready for the challenge of running independent country that Pakistan had. **Ready and willing to create industries, build dams, manage railways. With socialism, the growth slowed, but it had other benefits, that is stabler democracy, that can not be influenced by Money, Feudal or other powers.
Your usual ho ha aside, forget the blah blah of how and why every thing ended up in India that is a different subject altogther, do you comprehend the following?
One started with every thing and the other from scratch...
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
Fault of creators of Pakistan, who had myopic vision. Thought through their heart and muscle not their brain.
I asked you a straight question if not having industries at birth is somehow fault of Pakistan. You jumped on criticizing the creators of Pakistan. Just great! :)
I don't think you brought a strong point to begin with.
You mentioned about industries in non-Muslim areas and this was during the time of British rule.
You made it look like it was the fault of Pakistan not being able to 'excel' in coming years.
When asked if this was in some way fault of Pakistan (meaning Pakistani people or its Govt) 'after' the creation, you jumped back and blamed
the creators of Pakistan!!
My humble advice: You need to learn about Pakistan history and the reason(s) for its creation.
Hint: It was NOT based on how many industries were present in areas where Pakistan was supposed to be created.
Your view of myopic vision or "brainless decision" has no meaning if you have not even basic knowledge of Subcontinent history or the reasons for its divide.
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If you read one of my earlier posts, that’s exactly what I said. If Pakistan’s politics are stable, it has more potential (IMHO) than India because of the sheer number of people in poverty in India. On the other hand, there is no political history, and our leaders have all been from the feudal class, which is hardly something a country should aspire to. Political cultures can take a generation or two to change, so in the meantime, India does have a brighter future, unless of course we get our sh*t together.
Re: In 65 years, India excels Pakistan in many fields
I asked you a straight question if not having industries at birth is somehow fault of Pakistan. You jumped on criticizing the creators of Pakistan. Just great! :)
I don't think you brought a strong point to begin with.
You mentioned about industries in non-Muslim areas and this was during the time of British rule.
You made it look like it was the fault of Pakistan not being able to 'excel' in coming years.
When asked if this was in some way fault of Pakistan (meaning Pakistani people or its Govt) 'after' the creation, you jumped back and blamed the creators of Pakistan!!
My humble advice: You need to learn about Pakistan history and the reason(s) for its creation.
Hint: It was NOT based on how many industries were present in areas where Pakistan was supposed to be created.
Your view of myopic vision or "brainless decision" has no meaning if you have not even basic knowledge of Subcontinent history or the reasons for its divide.
I think, I should stop beating around the bush. The portions that was Hindu Majority was good in creating wealth, the Muslim dominated areas were not. period. That is why India started with something and Pakistan did not and that continues even today. Please do not compare 1947 per-capita income - because it is skewed. 1/3 Pakistan is fertile Punjab, that will skew the stats.