Imran's Tehreek-e-Insaf launches newsletter

[teaser]

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@sallu123

Thanks teaser. I am a fan of you too from when you used to broadcast Pakistani cricket matches lol! I confess I watched one of them atleast.

I hope you enjoyed it. Well I am with you for PTI let me know if I can be of any help

[sallu123]

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Fraudia, thanks for your sincere post with many valid arguments/suggestions.

@Fraudz

1)based on the response, it looks like the party has not spent time figuring out what they will do if they get in power

2. vision is nothing without goals, goals are nothign without targets, targets can nto be attained without strategy, strategy can not be in place without planning, planning means zlich if it can not be implemented. .. and we are at vision..and even the vision is incomplete

Part of the problem I feel is that most of Imran’s immediate group, though quite capable, is in the 40+ age category - which means they are not internet savvy and their plans are not communicated properly to rest of the world.

But the key thing is, once you get practically engaged in politics in a politically under-developed country like Pakistan, you realize all of a sudden that its not about first creating detailed plans, but more about creating the type of grass-roots organization that can come up with those. In the beginning I was very keen on getting Education, Health etc policy documents from Tehreek-e-Insaf but then I realized just getting these policies means nothing when there is no chance to implement them in a manipuated political system. First people’s confidence and political parties’ confidence in the transparency of the system has to be restored, so our plans concern this important aspect - more than naras about roti, kapra, makan. PTI also has to get an efficient grass-roots organization going, then plans will start to become detailed. We are not waiting for power to share our plans, we are waiting for democracy, and our plans for democracy our quite apparent.

I belong to the school of thought in Tehreek-e-Insaf that believes that we should develop a two forked social-work / political-organization strategy for PTI, and I believe once our grass roots chapters start engaging in social work then automatically our intentions and plans for power will become apparent. A debate is brewing in the party over the level to which PTI should engage in social work, and we will try to win that debate in due course.

4. I never argued with sincerity or loyalrt of imran. However i have placed very loyal and sincere ppl on performanc eimprovement plans because they could not deliver what their position required them to. I have fired some nice guys, who just did not have what it took. so i dont care whether it is imran, edhi, omar shareef, or babra shareef in power.. can they deliver. and the sole indication for ability to deliver is not sincerity ..but also organization, planning, etc.

TI is the first and only party of Pakistan where I reached out to be a part of it, years ago, spent hours writign the tyoe of stuff you are reading here, but in more detail with ideas on how to cultivate volunteers form locala nd forien unis to help write these plans, No response..countless attempts by email, and snail mail. would I do it now, No, why, because the lack of will the party has shown over years to really even do anything concrete is very telling and very disappointing,

Its not all about Imran Khan and the party leaders, its about us as well. Suggestions are welcome but so are people to help implement them. Most of the people who became leaders in the party did so because they offered practical assistance to the party as they shared Imran’s vision, i.e. they didn’t just talk the talk, they walked the walk. If you want to have a say in how the party is run, you have to win some trust among its members/leaders by supporting the party in some exceptional way. There are no vested interests in Tehreek-e-Insaf, and thus leaders will emerge by merit. I have myself witnessed a number of exampls of this.

4. There is a lot of ground to cover. I would be more than happy, ecstatic to support Imran because I think very very very highly of him as a person. But right now to me he is a mediocre political leader, a mediocre politician, and a mediocre leader (there are differences in the 3 btw).

Indeed, there IS alot of ground to cover because we are trying to overhaul a system that has been stagnant for 60 yrs (infact, i would argue more). The reason why Pakistanis often prefer military rule to “democracy” is because no national party that genuinely represents the common people of Pakistan exists. Tehreek-e-Insaf is trying to fill that gap, it started from scratch and so it is a mammoth task, but one we believe achievable as we are willing to put in the time and effort no matter how much required - and becaue we believe in God.

5. I simply can not think about having him in UN talking about Pakistan, or talking to US, or China or UK, or India. You know why, because he is wishy washy, he has not once really shared a coherent view on what he will do and how.also, there is something lacking in his ability to be diplomatic…it was the case during his sporting career, and it is the case now. and global politics are a very diff thing than the ‘tishan’ during cricket cpatiancy or the lashkara we see in domestic politics.

He speaks truth to power. Imran doesn’t fear anyone, he’s become a very spiritual person and has very strong faith in God’s power, so he doesn’t think he needs to bow before anyone just cuz they seem “powerful”. You may disagree with his beliefs, but those are what made him great. Imran is definitely not a radical, but when he sees an injustice he will speak out about it. I like this trait, infact I wish I had it too

There are many other in the wings like me…who are looking for a good leader.

Many are already joining Tehreek-e-Insaf because they agree with Imran’s precise diagnosis of Pakistan’s systemic problems. Others join PTI just because of Imran’s celebrity and often they leave (like Kashmala) cuz they didn’t really have any interest in PTI’s ideology. Imran is but human and will have flaws, nonetheless we feel his understanding of root problems is very accurate, he is principled enough to not compromise on his vision, and he has shown his organization and leadership skills when he built SKMCH and as Cricket captain.

The fact that so far we thought he was honest and a principled man had him already ahead of the goons like BB and Nawaz. Now as he panders to them…that moral edge seems to be slipping away as well., which is very very sad.

PTI considers BB and Nawaz lesser threats to Pakistan than Musharraf - because Musharraf rigs elections, is eroding Pakistan’s unity and is an open opponent of democracy. We can compete against BB and Nawaz but we can’t do anything when Musharraf rigs elections. Furthermore, if democracy is not restored there cannot be sustainable progress, and Pakistan can never realize its full potential (or even 1/10th its potential). We consider military dictatorship a cancer for Pakistan, it is extremely difficult to reform a system whose protector has guns. BB/Nawaz don’t have guns, and we can fight them if democracy was restored. So, our relationship with them is only so far as it concerns the restoration of democarcy - nothing more. Our party is completely independent of them.

why should I support TI again?

Thats a decision for you to make based on whether you agree that Imran has identified Pakistan’s root problems and deserves help for his objectives. You can view his stance in the videos that we have up on the website www.moveforjustice.org if you haven’t seen them before.

No doubt it is a tough struggle and you have to have great patience because 10 yrs are not enough for a political party to be ready to reform an entire country’s system. Nonetheless, we are far more organized than we were when PTI was founded. But we are still at the phase where we have to get the party organization more efficient, and its strategy more diversified to encompass social work. Some people have joined now, others will join in future as they start to see PTI’s sincere intentions more clearly - through social work or otherwise. We hope that sooner or later we can benefit by your joining the movement as well.

[sallu123]

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@Spock

Another problem I found with the PTI, which is actually the biggest reason why this party will never be accepted by the masses (some of you might disagree with me). Apart from Imran himself, and well maybe a very few select others, most of his party consists of ‘aerey ghairey people’ that he has just desperately picked all over the country just so that he has a candidate whose given a ticket from his party so that he can contest the election. Basically, a vote for such a person is purely a vote for the party and thats not how it should be. Sometimes people vote an MNA into power without regards to his political affiliation, just because they believe in his competency and aspirations to improve his constituency. Maybe this is one of the reasons why the PTI is so shaky when it comes to its manifestos. You have to have solid think tanks in your party to devise future plans, which in the PTI’s case do not exist.

The party does face difficulty in getting sufficient candidates because the elections are heavily rigged by Musharraf, no honest man will sacrifice his life’s savings to compete in a rigged election. However, Imran and PTI believe that we should still fight from as many seats as we can, because elections offer the best opportunity to get your organization going. Our objective is not just to win the election, but to use them as an opportunity to organize better for the next one.

[sallu123]

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@teaser

I hope you enjoyed it. Well I am with you for PTI let me know if I can be of any help

Anees (if i remember correctly), yaar if you find opportunity to record Imran / PTI interviews with your TV tuner card then thats a good way to help. You can then upload them on Google or our forums (www.moveforjustice.org).

Thanks alot for your offer to help. Much appreciated.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@sallu123

Fraudia, thanks for your sincere post with many valid arguments/suggestions.

you are very welcome. These are not just my conerns but of others also whom I have discussed PTI with, so hopefully it

@sallu123

Part of the problem I feel is that most of Imran’s immediate group, though quite capable, is in the 40+ age category - which means they are not internet savvy and their plans are not communicated properly to rest of the world.

its not a question of being iternet savvy. internet could be a mode of distributing info on stuff that is developed. if there is nothing developed to share then even if ppl are websavvy what would they use those skills for?

@sallu123

But the key thing is, once you get practically engaged in politics in a politically under-developed country like Pakistan, you realize all of a sudden that its not about first creating detailed plans, but more about creating the type of grass-roots organization that can come up with those. In the beginning I was very keen on getting Education, Health etc policy documents from Tehreek-e-Insaf but then I realized just getting these policies means nothing when there is no chance to implement them in a manipuated political system. First people’s confidence and political parties’ confidence in the transparency of the system has to be restored, so our plans concern this important aspect - more than naras about roti, kapra, makan. PTI also has to get an efficient grass-roots organization going, then plans will start to become detailed. We are not waiting for power to share our plans, we are waiting for democracy, and our plans for democracy our quite apparent.

In that case PTI is not a party for today. It is not a party that should be in power. It should serve as a grassroots movement to bring about change and stay that way.

Policies and plans do mean something, atleatshave a consistnt, coherent POV about it. This is something that PTI has not put forth.

I am sorry to say PTI is beginning to sound like HT, who are waitinf for khilafah and then magically all will be solved. PTI is waiting for democracy, for clean systems, for clean isntitutions…but it really does not know what it would do once that is done or if that is done and to what level.

@sallu123

I belong to the school of thought in Tehreek-e-Insaf that believes that we should develop a two forked social-work / political-organization strategy for PTI, and I believe once our grass roots chapters start engaging in social work then automatically our intentions and plans for power will become apparent. A debate is brewing in the party over the level to which PTI should engage in social work, and we will try to win that debate in due course.

sure, all the talk I have heard and what I have seen make PTI a better candidate for a social service organization than a viable political party to be in power, at this point in time.

@sallu123

Its not all about Imran Khan and the party leaders, its about us as well. Suggestions are welcome but so are people to help implement them. Most of the people who became leaders in the party did so because they offered practical assistance to the party as they shared Imran’s vision, i.e. they didn’t just talk the talk, they walked the walk. If you want to have a say in how the party is run, you have to win some trust among its members/leaders by supporting the party in some exceptional way. There are no vested interests in Tehreek-e-Insaf, and thus leaders will emerge by merit. I have myself witnessed a number of exampls of this.

I have no interest in joining PTI right now. while the experience of sending emails and snail mails to PTI and not even getting an acknowledgement hat t was received .. was very disappointing. The effort I had put forth at that time was because I thought there was something there worth the effort. Looking at PTI and Imran both over the last few years, I dont have a desire to be a part of it, or to vote for it.

@sallu123

Indeed, there IS alot of ground to cover because we are trying to overhaul a system that has been stagnant for 60 yrs (infact, i would argue more). The reason why Pakistanis often prefer military rule to “democracy” is because no national party that genuinely represents the common people of Pakistan exists. Tehreek-e-Insaf is trying to fill that gap, it started from scratch and so it is a mammoth task, but one we believe achievable as we are willing to put in the time and effort no matter how much required - and becaue we believe in God.

there is a lot of groundwork to be covered, and I would like to see evidence that since PTI was formed that a few steps have been taken in this journey of a thousand miles. I dont see that.

@sallu123

He speaks truth to power. Imran doesn’t fear anyone, he’s become a very spiritual person and has very strong faith in God’s power, so he doesn’t think he needs to bow before anyone just cuz they seem “powerful”. You may disagree with his beliefs, but those are what made him great. Imran is definitely not a radical, but when he sees an injustice he will speak out about it. I like this trait, infact I wish I had it too

good for him, spirituality, strong faith etc.. but what are his stances, what is his position, how would he deal with world leaders. The question is NOT of bowing before someone, but to get a comfort level that he has some positions on issues that are backed by facts and are based on assessment and review of options and implications. I dont see that.

@sallu123

Many are already joining Tehreek-e-Insaf because they agree with Imran’s precise diagnosis of Pakistan’s systemic problems. Others join PTI just because of Imran’s celebrity and often they leave (like Kashmala) cuz they didn’t really have any interest in PTI’s ideology. Imran is but human and will have flaws, nonetheless we feel his understanding of root problems is very accurate, he is principled enough to not compromise on his vision, and he has shown his organization and leadership skills when he built SKMCH and as Cricket captain.

building a hospital or leading a cricket team is an entirely different trait. On organization frint I would then tip my hat to mr edhi who has built a huge neywork of services

@sallu123

PTI considers BB and Nawaz lesser threats to Pakistan than Musharraf - because Musharraf rigs elections, is eroding Pakistan’s unity and is an open opponent of democracy.

I woukd encourage PTI to read indpeendent observers reports on vote rigging during BB and Nawaz era as well. You just said a few sentences ago, but in goign with what Imran considers the lesser evi, he is compromsing his principles is he not?

@sallu123

We can compete against BB and Nawaz but we can’t do anything when Musharraf rigs elections.

does not sound like a prncipled stance. you know what this sounds like. It sounds like a compromise ofn principles. teaming woth crooks to beat someone, with an intention to then take on those crooks.

@sallu123

Furthermore, if democracy is not restored there cannot be sustainable progress, and Pakistan can never realize its full potential (or even 1/10th its potential). We consider military dictatorship a cancer for Pakistan, it is extremely difficult to reform a system whose protector has guns.

pakistan can also not realize its full or half potential when people dont have any real idea of how they will do things and what the priorities are and how they will deliver on that. getting democracy is not going to change things overnight, so why not have a comprehensive view and plan on everything else that needs to be done.

@sallu123

BB/Nawaz don’t have guns, and we can fight them if democracy was restored. So, our relationship with them is only so far as it concerns the restoration of democarcy - nothing more. Our party is completely independent of them.

they do have guns, people who have been on the receiving end of BB’s goons or nawaz’s goons will tell u just that. and you are admitting here that you are collaborating with crooks because you think u can take them on later.

@sallu123

Thats a decision for you to make based on whether you agree that Imran has identified Pakistan’s root problems and deserves help for his objectives. You can view his stance in the videos that we have up on the website www.moveforjustice.org if you haven’t seen them before.

His stance is populist stance on ahandful of topics. i would love to see him talk about how he intends to overhaul the health and education system and what would teh footprint of the new infrastructure be and how would it be funded. ca he talk about that? facts and figures would be appeciated.

@sallu123

No doubt it is a tough struggle and you have to have great patience because 10 yrs are not enough for a political party to be ready to reform an entire country’s system.

yet we demand immediate results from the current regime, which bw has delivered a lot of results..per major intrnational organisations, UN, world bank, moodys. etc etc.

@sallu123

Nonetheless, we are far more organized than we were when PTI was founded. But we are still at the phase where we have to get the party organization more efficient, and its strategy more diversified to encompass social work. Some people have joined now, others will join in future as they start to see PTI’s sincere intentions more clearly - through social work or otherwise.

for the amount of time PTI has been around it realy has very little to show for it. That is troubling and raises question about the level of commitmet of people who have been involved with it in past.

@sallu123

We hope that sooner or later we can benefit by your joining the movement as well.

If and when I see that the organisation is serious, i would do so. Right now it not a serious concern when it comes to politis, and seems more talk than action. Please do not take this as an attack against you new breed there, but what has been accomplished in a decade? what has been put together in a decade, what type of ppl have been involved to have such a low output, what does it say about the state of the party and ts overall leadership.

It hardly builds confidence.

I wish u guys the best and hope that there are voices that would convince the party to do some heavy lifting and really become a serious concern. Horse trading aside, right now I see no future for PTI, partially because of our system..with out without military rule, and partially because the party just does not seem electable.

I had looked far and wide at the political landscape and was disappointed until Imran came into the arena. At that time I had felt that this was a person I can rally behind, sadly my initial experiences reaching out to PTI, and PTI/Imran’s approaches/attitudes put me right back at square one.

All I know is that Musharraf is deliverig results, and while he is far from perfect, I dont see any real argument from anyone BB. Nawaz, Imran, Mullahs on what they will deliver, and how..when they get in power. I can support the until they atleats have a blueprint for the future, otherwise they are just insulting my intelligence.

[sallu123]

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Well I am glad that we mananged to keep the debate civil, atleast :)

[teaser]

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@sallu123

Anees (if i remember correctly), yaar if you find opportunity to record Imran / PTI interviews with your TV tuner card then thats a good way to help. You can then upload them on Google or our forums (www.moveforjustice.org).

Thanks alot for your offer to help. Much appreciated.

If you had asked me earlier I could have recorded Khan sahib’s 4 part question answer interview on ARY ONE WORLD program called Agaz. I was able to record the last part and I think that answers a lot of questions people ask the likes in this thread and other.

I will upload the last part and post it here as well and also post it at PTI. If they rebroadcast this program again (I am sure they will) I will record it. InshAllah.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@sallu123

Well I am glad that we mananged to keep the debate civil, atleast

anytime
just because we dont see eye to eye does not mean we stop being civil.
appreciate the reciprocity and the time to answer my questions.

[Golden_Scorpion]

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Sallu Bhai…

Very sorry to say… but PTI wat it seems to be is just assuring the presence by name in the Pakistani Politics… You ppl dont have any solid plans as Pir Sahib Mentioned… You ppl are not good at management as well… I know my words are a bit harsh… I have the reason for it…
Let me give U very short description of my background with PTI… I am sure your database dont have the data of those volunteers who were the first ones to say LABAIK on Imran’s Call… I was one of them…
In First Election, Me along with other frends worked very hard for Imran’s Candidate… watever we could do… no resourses were offered to us from party office.. but we thought well its new party.. short of Funds so… no probs… we used to contribute and were moving on our wheels…
After the elections… when there was the time to the party structure and work.. I attended party meetings so many times… NO RESULT watver was discused in meetings… Then one day… I called the Big Boss of My City… (Dont want to mention his name..) and told him that… I QUIT… when U ppl know how to Mange things… lots more like me will come back to U again…
Later on… My Cousine(Taya ba beTa) fought Election from PTI… as I was involved in it too much… I konw HOw good the Party Management was in last election for which Imran blames the Agencies ( He might be right) but… big part was Poor Management too…
I know few more candidates who fought the Election for PTI… they all complain that the party SUPREME MANAGEMENT have no time for them… Party dont even care abt the structure… IF YOU PPL CANNTO TAKE CARE OF UR CANDIDATES and you dont have proper PLANS for them… It seems very dificult how will u Manage the bigger picture.

I love IMRAN… like ppl Love thier Beloveds :D. BUT… Y cant Imran or the Party see wat the Ground Reality is… Where we are standing… and then Give away SIASI BAYANAAT… Y cant they Fisrt concentrate on the party management and structure…and then talk abt FIXING PAKISTAN…

Imran Said… This Election would be lots more different for them … and ppl will see big differnce in the results… Lets hope its not just a GARM JOSHI WALA SIASI BAYAN… if that happens… will Re-think over the management of party issue

GOOD Luck for all the work U ppl are doing… PTI/Imran is still a big hope…

[sallu123]

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The party is for sure not highly organized, and there is problem of finances. But if you were to ask me whether the party organization is better than it was in 2002, I would say hands down it is better than few years ago.

Also, Imran Khan does his share - rest of Pakistanis also have to step up. I can tell you a real example of how one of our website members Saad Abdullah from Peshawar arranged meeting with Khan and told him about the inefficiency in PTI NWFP setup, Imran right away called up PTI officials there and also one week later appointed Saad as President of Tehreek-e-Insaf Peshawar (because he saw alot of promise in him).

If Allah gave us everything perfect then nothing would be worth striving for.

[Haris]

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Did anyone watch portions of a conversation (or thats what it was supposed to be) between Sher Afgan Niazi and Imran Khan Niazi on ARY few days ago in a discussion show? They were just short of calling each other names;
Imran Khan tells Sher Afgan "aap ne Niazion ka naam badnaam kara dia"
Sher Afgan tells him " Niazion ke naam ke kia baat kerte hain, aap Dhaka mein jaa ke pehle dekhein...aap ke rishteydar thay wo, mere nahi" (referring to Lt Gen A A K 'Tiger' Niazi).

[Haris]

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Anyway, the reason I mentioned this talk show was, Imran Khan during an argument said something "...humein apney bachon ke mustaqbil ki khaatir..."
This coming from Imran sounded a bit too much, will his children ever live In Pakistan as Pakistanis or common Pakistanis? I dont think there is any awami politician in this country, Imran Khan is from the elite, dining at dhabas stepping from his Prado while on intercity trips on GT road doesnt make him awami, I am his fan, I respect him as a fighter, a role model, he is among my heroes, but I'm sorry to say he's not the man I see delivering me or my Pakistan from the troubles, because, for one reason, he has never been down there, has not cannot feel the miseries haunting Pakistan and its citizens. And the way things have turned in the past 50 yrs, nothing short of a real people's revolutionary can change things, if things are to change at all...all politicians will only claim, lucky ones get a chance, dance their dance and will leave making no difference. Even Imran Khan has unfortunately fallen into that category. Though at the begining he had great potential.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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Haris good points

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@sallu123

If Allah gave us everything perfect then nothing would be worth striving for.

sallu I know what u mean, we have to strive, but we have to strive under honest, oranized, visionary leadership. you can put 50 people on a ship with oars and ask them to row as hard as they can..without organization and leadership and discipline that boat aint going nowhere..or rather it will have tons of wated energy by people who would be workign hard but due to lack of alignment, those would be wasted efforts, and in some cases counter productive even.

one thing I would say though is that when Imran goes after the govt for not deliverign results in 8 years (ignoring or disputing the results that have been delivered, but yes there are thins that need to be done)..anyways..when he goes after them,I cant help but think, dude you dont even have your own political party in order in a decade. i mean the constitution pf PTI was written in 1999, although Imran had been talking politics before that as well.

we need to give credit where it is due, whether or not we like the person. To this day I think that the PR campaign from pakistan after the nuclear tests was probably the most organized and sensible approach I have seen from any pak govt, period.. including this one.

our politicians, and consequently, their followers the awam, just dont want to be honest and note successes of their opponents.

[Golden_Scorpion]

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Sallu Bhai…!

U can see… majority here love Imran. They respect him, he is hero to them… but… as Pir Saahib is saying again n again… U ppl should be organized… and the more Imran can keep in distance from the so called well wishers of our country… these politicians who are born with golden spoon … and they talk abt problem of comon person.
These politicians are using him… they are in this dirty politics since fore fathers… the more Imran goes close to them… the more he will loose his Trust on coman man… coz we consider him as hope… but if he joins all those who has done nothing for Pakistan… against … someone who has done atelast something for Pakistan… it sounds bad…

[Silly_Billy]

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@Haris Zuberi

Did anyone watch portions of a conversation (or thats what it was supposed to be) between Sher Afgan Niazi and Imran Khan Niazi on ARY few days ago in a discussion show? They were just short of calling each other names; Imran Khan tells Sher Afgan "aap ne Niazion ka naam badnaam kara dia" Sher Afgan tells him " Niazion ke naam ke kia baat kerte hain, aap Dhaka mein jaa ke pehle dekhein...aap ke rishteydar thay wo, mere nahi" (referring to Lt Gen A A K 'Tiger' Niazi).

Harid - interesting you mention Dr Sher Afghan Niazi. I was travelling through the Mianwali area in 2004, and I discovered that he (Sher Afghan) is widely popular there, where he is seen as a hard working constituency-orientated MNA - a real people person. Yes, he is a bit of a chameleon and "politically incorrect" on some issues, but he has been in politics for nearly 40 years, and is a seasoned stalwart of the PPP, fiercely loyal to ZAB in the 70's. He is well respected all the main tribes in the area - Niazi's, Khattaks, Awans etc, and even mediates in local disputes. Imran on the hand was seen as rather aloof and distant, and despite his over the top anti-Musharraf rants these days, and his playing of the Niazi card, most people in the area know that he (Imran) would not have won his seat had it been for those intelligence agencies giving him a hand in 2002, because Mianwali was a PPP stronghold. In fact in a straight fight between the two men in Mianwali, Sher Afghan would win hands down.

[sallu123]

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@Haris Zuberi

Imran Khan is from the elite, dining at dhabas stepping from his Prado while on intercity trips on GT road doesnt make him awami

Quaid-e-Azam travelled in fancier cars. As well, Imran Khan has travelled the length and breadth of Pakistan and seen people’s problems better than any man on this forum.

[sallu123]

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@Fraudz

sallu I know what u mean, we have to strive, but we have to strive under honest, oranized, visionary leadership. you can put 50 people on a ship with oars and ask them to row as hard as they can..without organization and leadership and discipline that boat aint going nowhere..or rather it will have tons of wated energy by people who would be workign hard but due to lack of alignment, those would be wasted efforts, and in some cases counter productive even.

Agreed. Note, however, that the problem may not necessarily be with the leadership but with those being led: pakistanis completely de-politicized and cynical after 60 years of being deceived. It takes time and awareness to change mindsets. Also, the educated middle class, the ones having the best skills are completely uninterested in politics. Until they join Tehreek-e-Insaf will not get organized to the degree Imran desires.

You say there is a problem with leadership, I say it is a problem with the Pakistani people. Imran is the only man I have seen with no complexes, he does what he believes in and is fearless of repercussions.

[Haris]

Re: Imran's Tehreek-e-Insaf launches newsletter

Sallu, but Quaid-e-Azam never claimed to be an awami leader or a people's man, he was always open about the fact that he was an accomplished man different from the masses, his was a rare case; while he escaped from limelight and tall claims, the more the people went crazy after him, bestowed titles upon him (apart from Quaid-e-Azam he was given 'Maulana' which he refused, a Doctorate from Aligarh was also refused), they swooned over each word spoken by him in the English most couldnt even understand.

And Imran Khan may very well be aware of the problems more than anyone on the forum, he ought to by now, but the comparison isn't between him and our forum members, but him and his political rivals/colleagus or how given his potentials, he and his objectives/plans should have been.

He is sincere and is honest and straightforward because he himself is clean and free of all ill intentions. I love him for that. It's just that little fine-tuning he needs for his agendas to adopt a practical approach and do whatever some good can be done asap, and not waste his potential saving it waiting for sometime to be the only king and then get something done or propose change. He should really think about this. His is the only PTI NA seat, he has to make sure he comes back in if he thinks he can bring about changes.

[desidudecool]

Re: Imran's Tehreek-e-Insaf launches newsletter

all imran khan does is criticize president musharraf and shaukat Aziz,he now all of sudden sees nothing wrong with Benazir bhutto and sharif and has joined hands with them to bring back democracy when they were in power he was of the opinion that they should be hanged for being corrupt.He even showed sympathy for that thug Akbar Bugti when the government started to go after him.and has also showed sympathy for terrorists who are trying to assasinate Musharraf.I think his agenda is more about Musharraf bashing than bringing back legitimate democracy to Pakistan.