The Tehreek-e-Insaf (Movement for Justice) has recently launched a monthly printed newsletter under editorial of Dr. Hafeez-ur-Rehman, PTI Financy Secy for NWFP and a dentist by profession.
You can view the newsletter at Tehreek-e-Insaf’s international portal: www.moveforjustice.org
You are invited to contribute articles for the monthly newsletter. Please view this link for details:
http://moveforjustice.org/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/14/postid/569/view/topic/Default.aspx
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would TI publish what their plan is? aside from slogans? do they take letters to editors and would they print my complaint that they never respond to emails and that the statement one has to agree to before joining TI is idiotic?
here is a link if u want tto become a member of tehrik e insaaf. scroll to the bottom and see the oath..
http://www.insaf.org.pk/member/registration.aspx
*I agree to join Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf having full confidence in its manifesto and in the leadership of Imran Khan and as a member of the party I will abide by its rules and regulations. I will cast my vote in favour of a candidate supported by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf. *
so u cant join if u have any issue with any part of the group’s manifesto, and why is the party synonymous wit Imran, is it the same as PPP and benazir? the party should be bigger than the man, not vice versa..
and lastly i cant commit to voting for any party unless I know who the candidate is and what their views are and all.
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Most of your points are valid except that lets not make a huge fuss over the oath. If you join you would yourself know it is not a dictatorial party but a very grounds-up one.
The website insaf.org.pk was handed over to more efficient hands mid last year, so I believe if you tried emailing now ([email protected]) you would get a reply. Aside from that, you can always try contacting me at [email protected] , as I am the Admin of the international portal.
Yes, Imran Khan in the eyes of the larger public is still bigger than the party. But over the last two years there has been a positive momentum building towards the party becoming more indpendent and organized. I estimate it will take another 3 - 5 years for the party to become truly independent of Imran Khan's name, but had it not been for the fame God gave Imran Khan we ordinary but patriotic folks would NEVER have been able to unite for a cause - rule of law and democracy in Pakistan.
I believe you should read Imran's interview on Page 3 of the newsletter, which may answer some of the points you raised.
Thank you for your reply.
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good news, pti is trying to become an institution
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sallu123 stated
Most of your points are valid except that lets not make a huge fuss over the oath. If you join you would yourself know it is not a dictatorial party but a very grounds-up one.
I am not making huge fuss over the oath, I do believe that it sounds completely idiotic and Imran would be doing himself a favour if he revised the wording of that.
The website insaf.org.pk was handed over to more efficient hands mid last year, so I believe if you tried emailing now ([email protected]) you would get a reply. Aside from that, you can always try contacting me at [email protected] , as I am the Admin of the international portal.
well since i am talking to you here, I dont have to email you. Could you please post the plans that Tehrik e insaaf has in terms of trade development, educational growth and enhancements, healthcare, workers rights, tax collection. Please I am not interested in broad sweeping statements, I would like to see position papers as well as plans complete with costs, implementation timetables, sources of funding, staffing and structuring etc etc.
Much appreciated.
As I hve stated before, I like imran as an athelete and as a social worker. but as a political leader, he needs to give me more than positive statements. I need to see the types of plans I talked about above.
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Mr. Fraudia I will respond to you in 24 hrs as I have to prepare for a Tehreek-e-Insaf meeting we are having tomorrow here in Toronto......
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Good move by PTI!
Sallu123,
Nice to know youre involved with the site. Some good points by Fraudz here, looking fwd to your response.
I wonder, why over the past years PTI and Imran Khan have not been able to attract any other seasoned politicians or high profile Pakistanis into its ranks? recently I heard MNA Kashmala Tariq say that she and a few others she didnt name, had initially joined Imran Khan's effort the PTI but soon realized it was a "one man show", and had to move away. And it seems they made the right choice because having moved out they have atleast done smthng 5 years down the road. Imran Khan, who is my hero too, has only repeated his "humari badqismati ye hai..." arguments in talk shows...Why even after years only Imran Khan is the lone good enough PTI member even for a TV appearance...? He's the only PTI MNA but there must be other leaders in the party who should come fwd.
I really feel Imran suffered due to his illusions of grandeur, it seems he's willing to do significant good only if he's made PM. And that doesnt seem to be happening anytime soon...
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just a reminder 
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Good work sallu123 keep it up :k:
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sad and funny at the same time.
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Imran does not have $49.90?
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I admit, I have seen the PTI's manifesto and I find it very hollow. If Imran really wants to change whatever he thinks is wrong, maybe he should start explaining how he plans to do that. He always talks about ending reliance on foriegn loans etc, just how does he plan on doing that? I mean just making these claims are easy, solutions arent. The same also holds true for Qazi, for so long I have seen him hail himself as the poor man's friend and will end mehengai, but how does he plan on doing that? Maybe they are keeping it secret so that the present Government does not infringe upon their closely gaurded strategies to make Pakistan a self sufficient nation, but I do think the awam has a right to know. Sallu, I hope you get an answer to that.
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I apologize I was not able to revert in time because gupshup’s server was acting out over the weekend.
Let me state at the outset that I am here to engage in constructive discussion. You are welcome to ask any questions, I will endeavour to answer them, but if my answers do not satisfy you - let us not engage in circular argument. Let us accept that legitimate differences of opinion can exist.
Before I delve further, a more up to date Manifesto of Tehreek-e-Insaf can be found on Page 2 of the Newletter at www.moveforjustice.org. Some points are general and some more specific. It is not the detailed plan you seek about socioeconomic policy. Nonetheless, let me assert this: it is not entirely difficult to come up with detailed plans in a country that has the brains to build nuclear weapons. The devil, in Pakistan’s case, is NOT in the details - he is in the system.
Pakistan is not yet a democratic country where detailed plans about specific issues will make a difference or even win you an election - it is a country where polls are rigged, where feudals rule, and the judiciary is obedient to the executive. I understand that you wish to guage the sincerity of a party by looking at how detailed its plans are. Yes we have detailed plans, but they are over fundamental issues that are the root cause of the specific problems you mentioned:
Our first and foremost objective is to establish rule of law in the country through an independent judiciary. This is possible only if those elected are not crooks, and if they are not crooks and have genuine regard for others, guaranteeing the independence of judiciary is not a problem. Even the point you and Spock mentioned about “How will Imran afford to carry out the reforms of which he speaks”, even this is rooted in the establishment of rule of law and stability. I need not explain to you intelligent gentlemen that a country where there is a stable political system (democracy) and where there is recourse to law, will experience a surge in economic activiy. Thus if we are able to fix Pakistan’s fundamental problems (relating to the system), then I assure you that in the election after these systemic problems are fixed the political parties would feel it purposeful to come up with more detailed plans about specific issues. My thesis is, in a nutshell, that you cannot put the cart before the horse.
If you wish to guage the sincerity of a party, in a country like Pakistan with a manipulative political system, a better way is to look at WHO comprises the membership of the party rather than judging by detailed plans that have no hope of ever being implemented in the present manipulated system, and are thus not our focus.
We comprise of the middle class, of common people, not the feudals or established politicians. The fact that pundits say PTI has no chance at forming govt is in itself a certificate that all those who join our party are in it not for power but for change. Over the last two years there has been an increasing number of people, especially youth, joining the party. While Imran still remains the public face of the party, inside party circles leadership and activism is nascent. These are exciting times for the party, it is trying to find its balance - there is struggle, frustration over finances and organization - but above all there is hope and a glint in the eyes of those who sense a brighter future for Pakistan through Tehreek-e-Insaf.
My estimate, from what I see, is that in 4-5 years the party will be truly independent of Imran Khan’s name and will have carved out a reputation unto its own.
As mentioned, we do have plans but they are about fundamental problems. The plans are already in operation as you see Imran Khan shuttling to every corner of Pakistan and abroad in order to unite the opposition on a one-point agenda of restoring democracy. Our chapter presidents and members are also under active orders from the CEC to organize rallies on issues that we feel the Musharraf regime has failed. Until democracy is restored, Pakistan cannot move forward an inch, and is infact increasingly flirting with disintegration.
As far as Imran sticking to social work is concerned, as he himself noted, he can spend his whole lifetime and he wouldn’t even be able to fix the educational system of Mianwali with its 300 + schools (70% of them closed). Mere social work in Pakistan is like drops of water in a bucket full of holes. It cannot change the destiny of the nation, and this is what Imran desires and we fight for unconcerned with fear of failure or the ridicule of others.
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Thanks teaser. I am a fan of you too from when you used to broadcast Pakistani cricket matches lol! I confess I watched one of them atleast.
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wrote a long reply, messed it up and lost it, will respond tomorrow :)
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^ challo aaj maaf kiya
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oh yaar I will write khulasa here
1)based on the response, it looks like the party has not spent time figuring out what they will do if they get in power
2) vision is nothing without goals, goals are nothign without targets, targets can nto be attained without strategy, strategy can not be in place without planning, planning means zlich if it can not be implemented. .. and we are at vision..and even the vision is incomplete
3) the playing field will never be prfect, never be free of all issues, there has to be some strategy in place for health, law and order, education (primary, seocndary, voctional, professional), human rights, infrastructure (transportation, telecom, healthcare), trade etc etc. You can not wait to start figuring this out when you are in power. and you can not wait to start figuring these out until all root causes have been solved. You have to have a runnign start, keeping in mind all the inefficiencies due to flaws and weaknesses in system. If that means u adjust course as you move forward then so be it, but you can not just have nothing.
4) I never argued with sincerity or loyalrt of imran. However i have placed very loyal and sincere ppl on performanc eimprovement plans because they could not deliver what their position required them to. I have fired some nice guys, who just did not have what it took. so i dont care whether it is imran, edhi, omar shareef, or babra shareef in power.. can they deliver. and the sole indication for ability to deliver is not sincerity ..but also organization, planning, etc.
4) There is a lot of ground to cover. I would be more than happy, ecstatic to support Imran because I think very very very highly of him as a person. But right now to me he is a mediocre political leader, a mediocre politician, and a mediocre leader (there are differences in the 3 btw).
5) I simply can not think about having him in UN talking about Pakistan, or talking to US, or China or UK, or India. You know why, because he is wishy washy, he has not once really shared a coherent view on what he will do and how.also, there is something lacking in his ability to be diplomatic...it was the case during his sporting career, and it is the case now. and global politics are a very diff thing than the 'tishan' during cricket cpatiancy or the lashkara we see in domestic politics.
There are many other in the wings like me...who are looking for a good leader. The fact that so far we thought he was honest and a principled man had him already ahead of the goons like BB and Nawaz. Now as he panders to them...that moral edge seems to be slipping away as well., which is very very sad.
TI is the first and only party of Pakistan where I reached out to be a part of it, years ago, spent hours writign the tyoe of stuff you are reading here, but in more detail with ideas on how to cultivate volunteers form locala nd forien unis to help write these plans, No response..countless attempts by email, and snail mail. would I do it now, No, why, because the lack of will the party has shown over years to really even do anything concrete is very telling and very disappointing,
so, diminishing credibility, lack of concrete plans, lack of coherent comprehensive vision on major internal and external issues.
why should I support TI again?
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Another problem I found with the PTI, which is actually the biggest reason why this party will never be accepted by the masses (some of you might disagree with me). Apart from Imran himself, and well maybe a very few select others, most of his party consists of 'aerey ghairey people' that he has just desperately picked all over the country just so that he has a candidate whose given a ticket from his party so that he can contest the election. Basically, a vote for such a person is purely a vote for the party and thats not how it should be. Sometimes people vote an MNA into power without regards to his political affiliation, just because they believe in his competency and aspirations to improve his constituency. Maybe this is one of the reasons why the PTI is so shaky when it comes to its manifestos. You have to have solid think tanks in your party to devise future plans, which in the PTI's case do not exist.
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btw spock, this was the khulasa u can imagine how much i had written that was lost :(
and lets just say that was probably about 1/100th of the semi thesis I had sent to TI back in the day
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Sallu - I think everyone is a looking for good allternatives. If you / PTI offer one don't you think there ought to be some concrete evidence of commitment (from Imran and others) before trust cn build? I hope you are seeing the disenchantment coming out in above posts. Don't know about others but I am of the opinion (developed over time) that Imran wants to serve but can't quite get himself to jump into the cauldron knowing things may get dirty.