Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
as far as army is concerned, almost all political commentators agree that these sectarian organizations were created, promoted, marketed and nurtured by ISI and Pakistan army in mid 80s under Zia rule. In 90s, they were used by army for proxy war in kashmir. Our army is still playing bad taliban and good taliban game...they still feel that somehow they will control these monsters and will use them against India. I can only hope that killing of major general niazi will wake up the army as well. This is a cancer...
See, until ARMY itself realizes this nothing will happen, we can lose 100,000-1,000,000 civilians army doesn't give a rat's ass. Look at how many are killed by drones but as soon as a few army-men are killed they cause huge international uproar. Army is only looking after its own food and behind.
our army needs to root this cancer out completely with no mercy, fight these animals with full force, then govt shd do a clean up operations on madrassas, bring them under federal control, army shd stop supporting these organizations for proxy war in india or afghanistan. For God sake....
Once military stops promoting false jihads "madrassas" feeding this fake fire will die out themselves.
but before we do all this, we need our public to stand behind our army. that is where IK role sucks. He is the most popular leader especially among the youner generation and his toxic and naive narrative divides the nation.
He is frozen in time in mid '00s when people were killed by drones along with "targets", someone needs to do "b!tch-slapping" on him to wake up and see the difference in people who want "revenge" vs who kill people left-and-write.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
Taliban Khan is not the only Taliban apologist. There have been manysuch people since long. Both in army and in political field. "Ye Amreeka ki jang he", is not a Taliban Khan trademark.
Imran is not the only Taliban ally. He is just more vocal and more mainstream.
This is such a simple fact that this should not even need to be mentioned.
Then why all the *nazla *on IK? The flood of *nazla *should be on army and PML-N who have been feeding these terrorist parties for so long.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
this is a great article.....
yes these animals have no human rights....i wish we had no civilian population where these animals are hiding so that army cud have used nuclear weapons or chemical weapons on these animals
yes we shd learn a lesson from the sri lankan govt..Imran Khan tum jhoot boltay ho when you repeatedly and cowardly says that the war against terrorists has never been won in the history...sri lankan govt thrashed tamil movement which was much bigger and stronger than taliban..indian govt won it against sikhs and our army had a successful operation in swat.. Imran you even opposed the swat operation!
and yes lets swear that the blood of these innocent Christians will not go wasted and lets promise that we will not support anyone who is creating confusion among Pakistani masses.
There are some differences in Pakistani situation and Srilanka though.
1) Pakistan is not an island like Srilanka. We have got long porous border with Afghanistan (eastern Afghanistan is virtually in control of taleban)
2) The support for taleban is far more and spread out throughout the country. In Srilanka the problem was confined to one ethnicity and that too in the North of the country.
3) The state itself is confused (and then it blames the people of being confused). When the army and government itself differentiates between Good taleban (LEJ, JEM, LET, HUM, Jundullah, TTP-Molvi Nazeer & TTP Hafiz Gul Bahadur) and bad taleban (TTP Hakeem ullah Mehsud & TTP Fazlullah) what does it expect the people to do?
4) These are some of the effects of continuous brainwashing that the state has conducted through text books and media during the past 35 years.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
What I guess there were talks between Kiyani
and NS about it and NS make him agree to talk once and by the army approval APC jis mein charo nachar PPP/MQM/ANP agreed with pmlng and PTI for a peace talks COZ the nation must be on one page and unite for national security.
Well, as per wish of Pmln and PTI the process started but our brutal
enemy come up on us with more power and brutality to just show that WE are not so weak and can do anything anywhere they want.
The current situation making our army look like on defensive position Which is not good for Army moral. Few political parties are always are hurdle in the way of Army to achieve their objectives. I'm requesting to the Admin here to ban any who openly supports Taliban may be few weaks could be brain washed after reading their posts.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
The current situation making our army look like on defensive position Which is not good for Army moral. Few political parties are always are hurdle in the way of Army to achieve their objectives. I'm requesting to the Admin here to ban any who openly supports Taliban may be few weaks could be brain washed after reading their posts.
Army doesn't even want to fight these terrorists, because a they are told they are "jihadis working for Islam".
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
Appreciate all the posts
This thread and many others on this topic clearly mirror behavior of our masses ....
we had over 400 views in this thread but very few people posted any comment...may be they are sick of all this but most likely PTI supporters, who ironically do believe in a war against these animals, want to stay quiet in respect to their leader IK..typical south asain behavior...leader comes first, your own viewpoint can take a hike...same goes to PMLN supporters
we had few posters who vehemently supported talibans and called them "our own people"..appreciate their openness and honesty and this is again in line with the country situation..those who support talibans are open, direct and passionate..those who oppose them are confused, quiet and passive
it is very very clear from several threads that pretty much all the posters believe that
1) our army is confused (good taliban and bad taliban..they still want to use some talibans against india)
2)our politicians are confused (IK and PMLN biggest culprits but IK still the biggest culprit because he is the single most popular leader and a courageous one plus if he opposes talibans i guarantee that PMLN will fall inline immediately)
3) our masses are completely confused (majority have sympathies for talibans because of utmost hatred for USA and they completely believe in theories that USA and India are behind these attacks on pakistani masses)
the situation is completely hopeless and I do not see any hope whatsoever.
As Ali said above and i concur that these are some of the effects of continuous brainwashing that the state has conducted through text books and media during the past 35 years and what army did via proxy wars.
Now just sit quiet and wait until.................................
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
Imran always has had a personality cult built around him. I would say it again that we need a vice-captain for imran like miandad was to imran's success towards the end of his career.
Today, Imran khan has proposed opening up TTP offices in pakistan on the likes of qatar offices of taliban. Now, waleed sohaib etc can you enlighten how is this not legitimizing all of TTP, NOT some groups of TTP that you guys harp about so the "bad core" TTP can be taken out ? Will you guts to openly criticize imran khan for his buffoon behavior.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
On one TV talk show, Ayaz Amir mentioned an old story about a Mirasi going to Chaudhari asking for Rishta in their family. When Mirasi gave marriage proposal, Chaudharis got so upset that they started giving Mirasi lot of abuses and beating … Mirasi kept on receiving abuses, kick, punch, slaps, stick and whatever … still repeating his desire to marry in the family of Chaudhari … after lot of abuses and beating from Chaudharis, Mirasi got time to breath … so Mirasi got up and asked Chaudharis that by all the abuses and beating he received, should he consider that his desire of Rishta is unacceptable?
Well … at least after lot of abuses and beating Mirasi got the message and did realized that his marriage proposal is unacceptable to Chaudhari … but Imran is ‘Mirasi ka ghatia baigharat bhai’ … because after all the abuses and beating by Kharjees, Imran still thinks that Taliban Kharjees would accept his marriage proposal.
I have a feeling that if Taliban Kharjees would kidnap Imran to fulfil their cardinal desires or whatever, even then Imran would talk high of these Kharjees and would ask them (Kharjees) to negotiate, reminding them (Kharjees) that he (Imran) is willing to ignore all their evilness and want to fulfil all their desires, however evil and Satanic their desires maybe.
Nawaz is not far from Imran in this matter and could do everything to appease these Satan worshippers.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
PD, question.
recent egyptian upraise, at least 1000 people were shot dead.
Who among them were not egyptian?? police ? or demonstrators ?
Or the judge who put morsi out or power. Or morsi who put hosni mubarik out of power ??
Which conflicting force was not Egyptian ??
To who an egyptian like you self could have said "you are not among us"
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
On one TV talk show, Ayaz Amir.
some one decode this for me all those sane people like
ayaz amir
marvi sarmad
nusrat javeed
asima jahangeer
Why they have to use insulting language, and insult people personally to make their point ???
Why they have to pick a word from other person's discussion and repeat it over and over id derogatory way????
Now that is real low life south asian behaviour. You don't have #$%$ to say, insult other person.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
Imran always has had a personality cult built around him. I would say it again that we need a vice-captain for imran like miandad was to imran's success towards the end of his career.
Today, Imran khan has proposed opening up TTP offices in pakistan on the likes of qatar offices of taliban. Now, waleed sohaib etc can you enlighten how is this not legitimizing all of TTP, NOT some groups of TTP that you guys harp about so the "bad core" TTP can be taken out ? Will you guts to openly criticize imran khan for his buffoon behavior.
PTI should be PTA (Pakistan tehreek-e-akhrot).
Imran always presents Mandela's truth & reconciliation policy after apartheid as something that Pakistani govt should follow after a ceasefire. There are certain parallels to what preceded Mandela's times and how this model can help Pakistan in certain aspects. I don't wanna derail this thread. But there were concrete actions after that commission was formed in SA and finally peace was achieved.
I have certain misgivings too about IK's stance but I have absolutely NO doubt about his utmost desire to achieve peace in this country which has been at war since a decade. Some guys call him apologists, some gone on to extreme stupid lengths to call him an ally. But the state we are in, can NOT go on forever. No one disagrees do it. I am behind this approach which might (just might) separate reactionary militants (cuz of drones) from genuine kharijis. It will help army, govt and the end goal of achieving peace.
Imran is the ONLY politician who voiced the open secret that we (and by we I mean our army/agencies/politicians) nurtured these jihadi elements since afghanistan war and used them as our strategic assets to infiltrate afghanistan and kashmir. Then we took a U turn in early 2000's and went on to fight them post 9/11. Now this mess will not be cleaned this easily.
If this effort fails and no one gives up arms, then even IK will realise full fledged operation might be the only way forward. But if this process makes even a quarter of groups to give up arms, it will be a huge step forward.
I am sick and tired of seeing this country burning at the name of islam and I am sick and tired of other countries fighting our proxy wars here.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
I miss pasha sb.
He is the only IK critic who is not venomous.
why he was banned is still a mystery. If criticizing IK was the only reason, then moderators and administrator can consider removing ban. You are right he was never venomous. Mostly his criticism of IK was on humor side rather than being serious.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
why he was banned is still a mystery. If criticizing IK was the only reason, then moderators and administrator can consider removing ban. You are right he was never venomous. Mostly his criticism of IK was on humor side rather than being serious.
I will consider moving his bans. Even though it was humorous but he always derailed or trolled threads which we don't appreciate.
Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no
this is a great article.....
yes these animals have no human rights....i wish we had no civilian population where these animals are hiding so that army cud have used nuclear weapons or chemical weapons on these animals
yes we shd learn a lesson from the sri lankan govt..Imran Khan is absolutely wrong when he repeatedly and cowardly says that the war against terrorists has never been won in the history...sri lankan govt thrashed tamil movement which was much bigger and stronger than taliban..indian govt won it against sikhs and our army had a successful operation in swat.. Imran even opposed the swat operation!
and yes lets swear that the blood of these innocent Christians will not go wasted and lets promise that we will not support anyone who is creating confusion among Pakistani masses.
i know you are passionate about this issue but advocating the sri lankan approach to the tamil insurgency is simply insane. sri lanka defeated the LTTE only after finally deciding to employ genocide as a military strategy and after deciding it was comfortable with a permanent post-war apartheid.
the indian army's response to the sikh insurgency was extremely ruthless but i don't think that is the reason for its success. it was successful because the movement lacked deep-rooted popular support. if there was such support, army operations would have only inflamed the conflict.
the level of local popular support for the militant/terrorist representatives of an insurgency is what determines whether increased military aggression will be successful or backfire. in the case of sri lanka where popular support amongst tamils was universal, the only military solution was to destroy the entire ethnic group completely and not look back. i don't know where the TTP and its affiliates fall on the popular support spectrum in the NWFP but it's important to figure that out first.
