Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right now!

I did not post this column into my column thread as i wanted to have a separate focused discussion on this topic..

to all my PTI friends, time has finally come for you to stand up for your country and start opposing Imran khan’s stand on terrorism on net, face book, social media everywhere the way you supported him.

I know many of you dont support Imran Khan’s stand but you are quiet…please speak up…Imran Khan’s toxic narrative only helps the Taliban and other militant groups that have declared war against the state. What is at stake is the future of democracy and the stability of our country. There are no talibans that we can negotiate with…those who support those negotiations create confusion and are taliban supporters.

some key points

***“What is most dangerous, however, is that Imran Khan’s perilously flawed narrative has influenced the national discourse”


Yes Imran khan is causing some major confusion among masses by his stand

“His demand for a ceasefire in the aftermath of the killing of Gen Sanaullah Niazi by the militants is a glaring example of his muddled thinking on critical security issues”

***"A day before the militant attack in Upper Dir, the PTI government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa ordered the army troops to pull out of Malakand.


***Such a senseless move without a strong civilian security and administrative system in place is tantamount to handing back the control of the area to the group involved in last week’s killing of the regional commander"


“The party has also endorsed the Taliban demand for withdrawal of the army from the tribal areas. With this approach there is nothing to wonder about which side of the fence Imran Khan is on”

***In order to fight terrorism and violent militancy more effectively it is imperative to dismantle the toxic narrative that is being propounded by the likes of Imran Khan and also taken up by the PML-N government.


*******Firstly, it is a false argument that the rise of militancy and sectarian violence is solely the blowback effect of US intervention in Afghanistan and the drone strikes in the tribal region. The roots of militancy are much deeper in Pakistan and while the war in Afghanistan may have only fuelled it further, it is certainly not the cause.


*******Most militant groups involved in terrorist activities and those fighting the Pakistani forces operated for a long time under the patronage of the country’s security establishment waging jihad in other countries. Many of them had a close nexus with Al Qaeda and it was a matter of time before they turned their guns on their erstwhile patrons.


*******Imran Khan and others who blame Pakistan’s support for the US war in Afghanistan for the conflict are either naïve or twisting the facts to give legitimacy to the militants’ violence. The truth is that under a UN Security Council resolution Pakistan had no choice but to side with the US after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. We should not forget that Imran Khan supported Gen Musharraf’s decision at the time.


*******Again it is a false argument that militancy will cease if Pakistan dissociates itself from the US-led war in Afghanistan. Firstly, how is Pakistan a part of the US war? In fact, the country has often been accused of supporting the Afghan Taliban insurgency against the occupation forces.


*******Secondly, the US now plans to pull out its forces from Afghanistan by the end of next year and it is in the interest of Pakistan to facilitate a political settlement in the war-ravaged country. Does Imran Khan want Pakistan to side with the Taliban fighting the foreign troops in Afghanistan?


*******Yet another fallacy is that the Pakistani Taliban’s militancy is in retaliation to the US drone strikes in the tribal regions. There is no empirical evidence to prove this contention. For sure the drone strikes violate Pakistan’s sovereignty and must be stopped. It is also true that the civilian casualties have some serious political implications. But to link the militancy to the Predator strikes is certainly an exaggeration.


*******To put the record straight, only six drone strikes were carried out from 2004 to 2009 and except for the Damadola incident there had not been any collateral damage reported. ***
*******But most terrorist attacks occurred during that period targeting civilians as well as the security personnel and the installations.


*******Most of the tribal agencies and Malakand division in KP had fallen under Taliban control. Peshawar was virtually under siege and militants had advanced to the areas close to the capital Islamabad. It was only after the military operations that the state was able to re-establish its control over those areas. ***

*******So to say that the military action did not work is an extremely flawed argument. In fact, the peace deals had allowed the Taliban the space to reorganise themselves. The latest move for unconditional peace negotiations will have the same effect. ***

A toxic narrative - DAWN.COM

Re: Imran Khan's toxic narrative on terrorism ... needs to stop ... and stop right no

Imran Khan understands ground realities better than you or any other Jo blo on this forum that pretends to be patriotic.

You can't fight against your own people for eternity, there needs to be dialogue. Only mature and sensible people get it. The enemies just want war.

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+1

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Most of people here.. want to read kick a@@ stuff.. want to see kick a@@ statements...
Then more statements... then more stance... then more statements.... more statements......

I think most of them would love IK to just right nicely drafted seemingly logical column.
No mater if on ground those theory wont hold for 5 sec.

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i may be a jo blo or blo jo or a so called patriotic but NO..Imran Khan does not understand the ground realities..

and you...stop calling taliban "our own" people...have some respect for our army, for all those innocent people that thee animals killed

you are calling them our own people?

HOW DARE YOU
SHAME ON YOU!

if you have some IQ and debate abilities, answer questions raised in the article....instead of start yelling at me and stat calling me names

how can we ever have a unified vision on terrorism? we have taliban apologists who call them "our own people"

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+1 on the highlighted part. That is what scares me when people amongst us consider these animals as our people. They are not for God sake, and need to be flushed out of Pakistan for good.

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I would like to know what has army achieved in last 10 years? All our focus on shouting, blaming, criticizing and demand has been on TTP in FATA/KPK but we haven't heard much for LeJ, LeT, SSP, JD.

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and you understand ground realities? put your opinions aside and ask what the awaam wants. majority want peace talks. very democratic of you to not listen to the people instead bomb the hell out people (cough cough USA)

what about the innocent people that the army has killed and allowed to be murdered by the good old US of A? they are not worth your time I suppose.

Respect for the army is there until the army lashes out against its people and assists the enemy in bombing own country! Taliban are our own people. They come from the same land you and I were born.

10+ years of bloodshed and not one single accomplishment. Violence is not the solution!

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TTP is not a centrally coordinated organization.... it is combinaito of maany different organizations.....there are over 69 different types of organizations within TTP. ..LeT,LeJ, SSP, JD all of them are part of TTP...they all cooperate with each other and they are ideologically aligned.

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and you want to speak of IQ levels.

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Allah O Akbar
You know what Janjua..i salute your openness and honesty. I really do.

i always feared that people like you are actually the majority in pakistan....who consider taliban their own people and blame our own army..

what hope do we have under such scenario?

and that is why I blame Imran Khan...not intentionally but Imran Khan’s perilously flawed narrative has influenced the national discourse. He is one of the most popular leader in the country and his appease-Taliban type attitude has divided the nation. Nawaz iss equally to be blamed but Nawaz is not a courageous leader and will always be afraid to take a firm stand but Imran could have taken a bold courageous stand. If Ik takes a firm stand against taliban i assure you Nawaz will fall in line.

When Pakistan history will be written in 100 years, we will be all dead....but i assure you guys that Imran Khan will be on wrong side of the history. He will be considered as a man who divided his nation in one of the most sensitive periods.

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sure go ahead....i am sure you will come up with gazallion logic to prove that LEt LEJ Sipah Sahibah are separate

People like Salim Safi, Aamir Mateen, Hshim Khakwani have written extensively on TTP, its origin and ideological alignment. They all agree that when Pakistan Army pressed against LET, LEJ and SSP back in 2003-2006 time period, majority of fighters from these organizations went underground but they are still active under TTP platform.........the point is simple...they all have same agenda: enforce their version of islamic sharia on Pakistan by using force.

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Yes, but the organizations with larger support/presence are LeT, LeJ, SSP, JD. These are not centrally organized, I agree but political parties/military are mostly aware of the whereabouts of the leadership they can be eliminated, contained etc. Why has that not been done so far?

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They are YOUR OWN people for sure.
That is what Taliban Khan and his supporters are about. They are Taliban's own people. A danger to Pakistan. And they must be stopped.
No one but a terrorism supporter would call a terrorist his own people. Just like only a thief/rapist/thug would call a thief/rapist/thug his own people. Actuall's y, all of them are nothing but criminals. They are nobody's people.

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Army has not really fought an all out war against khawarij, because of Taliban allies like Imran confusing common folks demanding no action against them, calling it America's war.

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IK was a no-game until last 2-3 years, tell me achievements prior to that.

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That i completely agree 100%

PMLN has been blamed in the past for supporting LeJ in jhang area for petty political benefits ... they are still not willing to leave LeJ for political reasons. Rana Sana Ullah is the culprit minister and shahbaz sharif is also fully responsible. and yes they are scared of lej and Let as well that these organizations will destroy Punjab peace. Shame on PMLN

as far as army is concerned, almost all political commentators agree that these sectarian organizations were created, promoted, marketed and nurtured by ISI and Pakistan army in mid 80s under Zia rule. In 90s, they were used by army for proxy war in kashmir. Our army is still playing bad taliban and good taliban game...they still feel that somehow they will control these monsters and will use them against India. I can only hope that killing of major general niazi will wake up the army as well. This is a cancer...

our army needs to root this cancer out completely with no mercy, fight these animals with full force, then govt shd do a clean up operations on madrassas, bring them under federal control, army shd stop supporting these organizations for proxy war in india or afghanistan. For God sake....

but before we do all this, we need our public to stand behind our army. that is where IK role sucks. He is the most popular leader especially among the youner generation and his toxic and naive narrative divides the nation.

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Taliban Khan is not the only Taliban apologist. There have been manysuch people since long. Both in army and in political field. "Ye Amreeka ki jang he", is not a Taliban Khan trademark.
Imran is not the only Taliban ally. He is just more vocal and more mainstream.

This is such a simple fact that this should not even need to be mentioned.

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this is a great article…

yes these animals have no human rights…i wish we had no civilian population where these animals are hiding so that army cud have used nuclear weapons or chemical weapons on these animals

yes we shd learn a lesson from the sri lankan govt..Imran Khan is absolutely wrong when he repeatedly and cowardly says that the war against terrorists has never been won in the history…sri lankan govt thrashed tamil movement which was much bigger and stronger than taliban..indian govt won it against sikhs and our army had a successful operation in swat.. Imran even opposed the swat operation!

and yes lets swear that the blood of these innocent Christians will not go wasted and lets promise that we will not support anyone who is creating confusion among Pakistani masses.