Afsoos Bahut Afsooos!..aisa kero sub apes may ler ler ka merjaO!. Yahee to hora hei jub se PAKISTAN bana hei…may punjabi..tum sindhi…woh mahajir…yeh phusto…to hum Balochi…phir en may mazeeed sub categories hein!..Jahalet ka zamanay abhi bhee waisa hee hei!. I dont know Y ppl tend to think that these political figures can b Saviours of PAKISTANI ppl!. They all are puppets!. Jub tek se yeh discriminatory attitude khatem nae hoga nah to pakistan k mazeed tukray hojayein gain!.. N foreign Elements are using this weak mindset of our ppl to demoralize Pakistan!. 
N Ambassordor1 i can say clearly say that Ur not being so much sensible on selection of ur words or mayb u just…
Imran's strong point - He is a STRONG individual Imran's weak point - He is a strong INDIVIDUAL
Imran is a loner, the samana from Sidhartha. Loners are good to start new ideas. But you need TEAM to accomplish something.
The bigger the project, the larger the TEAM.
He needed 12 men to follow him so he could win the world cup.
He needed less than hundred or so (hardcores) to follow him so he could build Shaukat Khanum.
He needs 10s of thousands active and honest followers so he could clean up Pakistan.
And that my friends hasn't happened. Most of his supporters are either foreign born confused desis or local born desis from elite schools. Such a motley crew of followers can get you some headlines in the blogosphere for sure. But it won't help you win the hearts and minds of Middle-Pakistanis from Pak's heartlands.
Thats the most excellent post of the thread.
Re: Imran Khan - The President Of Pakistan
he could have been and could be a great president for Pakistan.
the sad thing is that with or without him, Pakistan is pulled into so complex a political riff raff that only dedicated citizens and practical leaders can help Pakistan to make its foundations and continued sovereignty possible.
The problem with Imran khan is that he is very ethnicity oriented. He seems to follow the footsteps of Nawaz league, and cash on the slogan “Jaag Panjabi Jaag”
We need a leader who is capable of uniting the nation, and who is capable of thinking beyond the provincial boundaries. Empty talks, sentimental slogans, scoring votes on ethnic prejudice is exactly what Pakistan does not need.
I am no supporter of PPP, but they seem to be doing pretty well in resolving the provincial rivalry and moving the whole nation forward in a positive direction. Now that people of Pakistan have chosen PPP to take control of their affairs, I believe that they should be given a fair chance to govern, without any leg pulling and character assassination.
Let’s put our ethnic prejudice aside and support the current president. Let’s provide our government a non-confrontational environment, so it can deliver what nation needs.
Nice try Kehkashan, but neither Imran or Nawaz use the race card. It is only Altaf Hussain, out of all the policitians, even the sorry lot who use the ethnic card.
I have always been a fan. And I have always been among those who had greatest hopes from him when he jumped into the dirty world of politics to rid it of all the dirt. I always believed him and have always been convinced he's the best (of the worst rest as Cowasjee puts it often for a certain few). And now even more than before I hope Imran Khan could lead Pakistan, since Pakistan has gone to the lower form of politicians and after these the next turn would also be with a diff yet similar breed.
However, I must say I never knew him or believed in him for his ideologies or his agendas or his manifestos; I, and millions of other Pakistanis young and old alike believed and still believe in him because he's the cleanest and the best of those available and above that he is by all means a patriotic Pakistani who has given Pakistan much more than many other self proclaimed servants of awaam. His sport career, Pakistan's rise to becoming a Cricket champion, his hospital are all highly commendable and industrious achievements worthy of a leader and social welfare worker.
In that light when he jumped into politics a few tactful swings and spins as well as suitable write-work and timely strikes were expected and desired of him by his supporters. AT that time he made an ultimate mistake of confusing politics with sport. Also thereby forgetting that there is even some politics on the playing field and a successful captain or player must maneuver successfully around it, not leave the field altogether. Besides he refused to accept the challenge presented by the dirty politics of Pakistan, which he had entered in the first place to clean. Why then the avoidance of the dirt when he had himself desired to jump into the pool which he knew was dirty?
Back in 2002 the entire nation was ripe with slogans such as 'Awaam ki hai aik hi raayi; Musharraf-o-Imran hi aaye'. It reflected how convenient it was for him to make a mark and begin a cleaning process by entering the pool of dirty politics by interning with or working as an entry-level employee under the grand master of Pakistani politcs (read COAS Pres) and beginning and learning better ways to serve the people and meanwhile devising strategies, agendas, manifestos and ideologies to work his own way. His mistake was that he thought like cricket he was going to be the prince of politics too. The very masses he banked on rebuked. Politics in Pakistan is dirty, and he knows it, yet he refused to understand the dynamics of local, urban, rural politics and it's workings in the minds of the poor deprived hopeless and helpless people of Pakistan. And he chose to try and clean the dirty pool from outside; without diving in and playing surf along the waves or defeating the dirt at its own game.
He was too quick in opposing the powers of the time and judging them too emotionally on a scale of perfection. To say the least it was the biggest mistake in a land where nothing is perfect. As per Pakistani values even Imran's own past is not as flawless as people would have desired. He's lucky people have overlooked all the intimate stories of his personal life, because in a conservative and close-minded society like ours, such deeds are seldom forgiven by the self-righteous masses and their leaders.
His next mistake came when he refused to identify with the threats and problems of terrorism and came up with his version. everyone knew what he said; that the rots of terrorism have to be identified. Everyone believed in that theory till 3 years ago. Now with the amount of terrorism nobody wants to give a crap what the reasons are; we just want to get rid of the inbred freaks who ravage Pakistan. In adapting a different stance he again opposed the governments decisions to combat the threats and identified more with the militant bias. thereby probably gaining frowns from the bigger powers of the world.
His other mistake came rather recently when he attacked a political party and its leadership of various uncalled for traits and inciting a racist and personal feud. it brought no good other than dividing people of Pakistan yet more. And over the past 3 years he has only done issue-based politcs and has tried invain to cash in on popular sentiments and momentum gaining issues. He was against the govt when ex CJ iftikhar was removed, he was against the govt when la Masji ops took place, he was against the elections as he thought they were unfair and rigged, he's been against use of army on western borders. You name it; he's tried to cah in on it, but to little significant avail.
Lastly the fruit of all his mistakes has been the raw and aching fact that after over 10 years in politics he is worth no more than 1 seat in the parliament; after his 3rd election in the political career within 10 years he got elected only once-that too during the dictatorship that he so despised; in his 11th year in politics he again failed to make it to the parliament of the so-called democrats and missed being in company of the many democratic leaders of the two main parties that opposed and smudged him and his name in a die-hard battle of pre election allegations back in 1997; nor did he find or make any of his party members emerge worthy enough to carry his or the party's name into parliament or to any other significant arena; his image is now that of a confused rebel who's even confused about being rebellious; he has never made any solid commitment- he is so baseless at times he even sits and grins with his own worst enemies who were thirsty for his blood in the past and used every technique to ridicule him; he feels Nawaz, Qazi etc are his friends; he failed to realize who his real well wishers were and what the people expected of him; he remains sitting beside the dirty pool thinking and screaming of one day cleaning it...He can stay sitting till such time that he realizes it's a game of rugby not catch in KG with your tecaher supervising.
The sad truth is though, for the next 5 years and even more he is destined to stay out, unless of course there are any rapid changes. The game of catch has initiated between Nawaz and Bhutto-Zardaris yet again. Where he comes into the larger scheme of things is a fact not many can deny. While the public grinds its teeth watching the man they believed was the one to change their fate sit ldly.
We can believe in him all we want, we can trust him, support him, hope for him, wish for him to be PM or President; but the question is, what can we the helpless Pakistanis do when the man cannot maneuver himself wisely enough to land into the corridors of power and at teals begin doing something good for the Pakistanis and their Pakistan rather than just sit, watch and feel disgusted at the dirt. What good are his credentials if he can only talk and never do anything.
STILL, after Gen Musharraf, I always did and will believe he is the best we have. Now that Gen Musharraf is out, no doubt we don't have any leader of his caliber and tact around, I believe, hope and pray like always that Imran Khan can somehow someway rise and lead and eve Pakistan. Even when gen Musharraf was around I echoed the "Musharraf-o-Imran hi aaye..." *slogan and now there's only Imran left in the picture I really hope *"Imran hi aaye" because with the Nawaz and Zardari-Bhuttos are the real wolves everyone forgot existed and mistook them for pious lambs. But for Imran's rise to happen, there's going to be war between Imran and Qazi, Zardari-Bhutto and Nawaz. How could they let their hard earned and controlled sections of society fall prey to the westernized, pro-Jew, playboy and illicit father become powerful in their Pakistan. Recall months following the elections in 1997.
Still hoping against hope, for Pakistan, he is the best medicine right now and I hope he can do somehting. Long live Imran Khan! I'm still willing to be his tiger!
The reason why I respect Imran alot is because he shunned Musharraf long time ago, even after being offered the premiership. A man has to stand up for what he believes in, and Imran did exactly that. I also respect his decision to boycott the elections under the dictator. However, now is the time for him to do some constructive work with his party.
Re: Imran Khan - The President Of Pakistan
Though I would love to support Imran Khan as President of Pakistan today, the problem is that he won't be able to achieve much. Pakistan has been cornered (though he led the 'cornered tigers' in 1992). Pakistan is facing almost the same situation it did right after 9/11 i.e. support the "war on terror" or get ready to face the "wrath". With everyday passing Pakistan is getting black-spotted by Taliban/AlQaida and more red-flags are raised for operation against them everyday, while local support against Taliban is not as wide-spread.
Few days ago a video was posted in which Hamid Mir was talking about an area (somewhere in Bajaur) that Pakistani military is bombing areas where there are no talibans and that Pakistani military is not paying attention to strongholds of Taliban. With "reports" like these, how can we garner support against Taliban? How can any leader take a "bold" step?
Re: Imran Khan - The President Of Pakistan
Same people, who preached democracy, now want to see Imran as president. Why don't you accept, what democracy gives you? Imran would never be elected.
BTW did he say anything against mullahs, or still no. Still in photo ops with Qazi, is he.
Same people, who preached democracy, now want to see Imran as president. Why don't you accept, what democracy gives you? Imran would never be elected.
Believing in democracy doesn't mean you stop supporting the person you want as your leader even if he has a slim chance DUH!
With the present showdown, its becoming more and more apparent that people in Pakistan would definitely vote for better people in the next elections. This refinement is part of democracy, and will work if some General doesnt come in the picture.
For instance, the MQM who used to raise slogans against feudalism, sold out to the biggest feudal landlord of the country, nominated him for presidency, TCed him bigtime. The people who voted for this party based on its stance against feudalism wont vote for it again.
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BTW did he say anything against mullahs, or still no. Still in photo ops with Qazi, is he.
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I didnt see Altaf Bhai saying anything against them either. Imran ney theka nahee liya hua har cheez ka bhaijaan.
Re: Imran Khan - The President Of Pakistan
Well, you keep talking about mqm's terror while conveniently ignoring terror that mullah is vaging on us everyday. Just admit now, that Musharraf was right, in taking actions against these mass murderers, and they are proving it everyday. Your extreme bias could not be more apparent, as it is now.
Well, you keep talking about mqm's terror while conveniently ignoring terror that mullah is vaging on us everyday.
Ok now its about 'me'? I thought we were discussing Imran Khan. Maybe you should write him a letter and ask him to issue a fatwa against these bombings on a weekly basis. Also, last I heard Mullahs were Muslims, and its apparent the people doing these arent muslims. If you are to blame every Mullah for whats going on, perhaps you should also consider your party leaders support for a mollah madrassah in Karachi?
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Just admit now, that Musharraf was right, in taking actions against these mass murderers, and they are proving it everyday.
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lol how can you be so naive. Musharraf wasnt doing anything against these murderers. All he was doing was making calls to the White House asking them to keep him in power so he can fight them. Well buddy hate to break it to you, but this isnt the first bombing that happened, its been going on for many years now, including Musharrafs time.
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Your extreme bias could not be more apparent, as it is now.
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And we all know who it is, thats biased against Imran Khan. But Im glad you didnt bring Sita white into the convo like most of your comrades this time. A little improvement, nevertheless a welcoming one.
Also, thanks for ignoring the rest of the points I raised :)
lol how can you be so naive. Musharraf wasnt doing anything against these murderers.
does Lal masid ring any bell?
does Lal masid ring any bell?
So Lal Masjid was carrying out these suicide bombings?
So Lal Masjid was carrying out these suicide bombings?
the one who carries out suicide bombing, is already dead. You can't hurt him no more. You find people with the same ideology i.e. "Impose shariah" mentality.
ncsu:
Saudia is a prime example of shariah law. 'Justice for all'???? Please think again!!! I do not even wanna start this. Another example is UAE - the 'modern' 'muslim' society with shariah law imposed. 'Justice for all'???? Oh phuleez, go check out their government institutions and jails for men and women.
I have been told many tales by people with 'real' experience of these shariah driven "justice for all" societies.
On the other hand you have some fine "justice for all" examples in the european countries. 'Muslims' need to learn some lessons on how to form 'justice for all', civil and 'democratic societies from them bad bad 'disbelievrs' who do not follow shariah law.
These days it seems like the world revolves around US, UK and Pakistan!!! Is there ANY other country in this world??? Why are the governments and people of these lands OBSESSED with wars, religion, killings and destruction???? Definitely, it is NOT because they have *or *do not have shariah law.
AikPakistani:
You said, "The problem with Imran khan is that he is very ethnicity oriented. He seems to follow the footsteps of Nawaz league, and cash on the slogan “Jaag Panjabi Jaag”
Can you please provide one example when he made an such 'ethnicity' remarks?? I have not witnessed any such thing said by Imran Khan. Infact, I have only seen him CONDEMNING such acts.
I support his take on the 'innocents' and harmless of the tribal people but definitely do not support his union with mad fundamentalist mullahs.
the one who carries out suicide bombing, is already dead. You can't hurt him no more. You find people with the same ideology i.e. "Impose shariah" mentality.
So we should bomb the hell out of every cleric then?
Does anybody know what was the real reason he did not participate in the elections?
He felt he had no chance of winning a seat, and felt it was better to stay out than face the embarrassment.
I also respect his decision to boycott the elections under the dictator.
Spock bhaijan. In that case, what do you have to say about all the other parties that took part in the democratic process in Pakistan? Are they illegal as they took part in the elections under an 'alleged' dictator? Imran Khan realised he had no chance of winning a seat, simple as that.
Spock bhaijan. In that case, what do you have to say about all the other parties that took part in the democratic process in Pakistan? Are they illegal as they took part in the elections under an 'alleged' dictator?
They are as legal as they were in in 1988, 1990, 1993 etc Aalsi uncle.
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Imran Khan realised he had no chance of winning a seat, simple as that.
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Yes he did, unlike your beloved Altafs, Wasis, and Chaudhry Shujaats, he did more single handedly for his constituency than your pro-Mushy thugs combined. You guys are really afraid of the strength and support Imran is getting, especially from the youngsters. Be very afraid.
Re: Imran Khan - The President Of Pakistan
just once i would like to see him come on tv after one of these bombings and unequivocally condemn the killing of innocent people without blaming pakistan/amreeka/musharraf etc.
the myopia of him and hamid gul type people is unbelievable.
And why should he? It is the incumbent president/PM and their government's responsibility. I am sure he would if he were in office. Do party heads in other countries come on TV and speak on behalf of their government?