Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law

[hareem01]

Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law

^agree with that....he shouldn't have commented on Afghanistan's internal affairs.

[kaka_in_usa]

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I am sorry to say a 14 year old girl is braver as compared to most of the political leaders we have at present.

I beg to differ. I know you guys have a very bad lot when talking about politicians. They may be corrupt, crooks and morons but you cant say they are not brave.

The power in Pakistan bears so much fruit that the kind of risk they take in pakistan makes you wonder what could have they achieved if they showed same intelligence and guts in any other field.

I mean if you look at all the major politicians (barring Imran) , everyone has paid their dues and done their time.
Benzir leads from the front. Having lost most of her family she came back despite having threats and didnt run away when she was first attacked. She paid the ultimate price for the power.

NZ has lost so many years in jail or in exile. It broke his family structure.

Altaf lost his brother and spent time behind bars.

Bugti paid price with his life. etc etc..

So, i am not saying that they made those sacrifices for the love of the nation (may be they did) , but they certainly did it for that elusive control of the power.

May be it is the civil society which needs to stand up now. They failed to tackle small time crook like Water car guy, expecting them to counter taliban ideology would need efforts of the size of Malala.

Civil society of previous generation failed to stand up against Zia, If they fail again this time then the consequences will be far worse.

[kakaballi]

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@Shamraz_Khan

Taliban did not fall out of sky. They are creation of ISI and Pakistan army until they got out of hand. And even before that, there was regional fight going on in Afghanistan with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and UAE one side and Russia, India and Iran on the other hand…

Selective memory Sir? Conveniently absolving USA and CIA of any hand in the mess??

[Captain1]

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@Shamraz_Khan

IK is turning into Hamid Gul. Is there any diff between him and Taliban?

The difference is Taliban destroy school, while Imran Khan builds hospitals/schools/colleges

@Shamraz_Khan

^^^ Well, people have to make decision who should they support…5th century barbarians that IK supports or the people who want to take country forward. Btw, is there diff between religious right in Pakistan & Taliban?

May be we should be a bend-over nation, whoever attacks we should bend-over and handover whatever we have, take whatever is doled-out so we are not called ‘barbarians’.

@bao_bihari

As the point is that it is jihad or not, kindly prove why it is not jihad. Prove from religious text that what are the compelte requirements of jihad and where are they doing wrong.

Plus enlighten me about whether jihad is fardh on Afghans or not.

wait let me open a thread on religion forum

oh bhai sahib, we need to re-write what jihad really means, we’ll have to check what “new world order” describes, if there is no ‘jihad’ mentioned then it is illegal, barbaric and people who indulge in that must be carpet bombed.

@Ali_Syed

The thing is that one can think about any issue how ever he likes, but making comments casually regarding some international matter is very serious. With these kind of remarks he will stand no chance of negotiating with the Afghans, and relationship with Afghanistan would have to be the key point in his foreign policy (for peace in the region).

Could it be that IK feels threatened and gave this statement trying to appease Taliban (though wrong branch)?

@Shamraz_Khan

Do you think Afghanistan was better off under Taliban? Btw, with foreign forces slowly pulling out…guess what is going to happen? Its going to be another all out civil war that could spread to Pakistan.

Do you believe if IK condemns Taliban the civil war will not break out and will not reach Pakistan?

@Med911

What sort of freedom are the Taliban fighting for? What freedoms have the Americans taken away?

What freedom has been awarded by Afghans? The choice to die by carpet bomb or suicide bomb? or death by “crazy” army-man who wakes up early in morning and jumps into a house to kill few of them Afghanistanis?

[Ali_Syed]

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President Karzai

ISLAMABAD: Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai in a letter to Imran Khan has enquired from him what steps were being taken by us for wiping out terrorism and Khan was expected to reply after his return from the current Turkey tour, said a handout issued here by Pakistan Tahreek-e-Insaf (PTI).

President Hamid Karzai said that a wave of shock and anger ran through the entire world over the gruesome Malala Yusufzai attack and added that he understood the thoughts and worries of Imran Khan over drones, but we should also think that what steps we were taking for the eradication of terrorism.

Karzai further said that the responsibility of combating extremism and terrorism was ours. He said that he equally shared the worries of Imran Khan over war and extremism in the region and we should jointly make efforts for peace in the region and sustained progress.

[Med911]

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@Captain1

The difference is Taliban destroy school, while Imran Khan builds hospitals/schools/colleges

May be we should be a bend-over nation, whoever attacks we should bend-over and handover whatever we have, take whatever is doled-out so we are not called ‘barbarians’.

oh bhai sahib, we need to re-write what jihad really means, we’ll have to check what “new world order” describes, if there is no ‘jihad’ mentioned then it is illegal, barbaric and people who indulge in that must be carpet bombed.

Could it be that IK feels threatened and gave this statement trying to appease Taliban (though wrong branch)?

Do you believe if IK condemns Taliban the civil war will not break out and will not reach Pakistan?

What freedom has been awarded by Afghans? The choice to die by carpet bomb or suicide bomb? or death by “crazy” army-man who wakes up early in morning and jumps into a house to kill few of them Afghanistanis?

The Afghans wouldnt be dying if the Taliban werent hell bent on fighting the Americans. If you ask me, its the Americans who LIBERATED Afghanistan, and the Taliban trying to conquer it. If people have died due to American presence, its the fault of the Taliban commiting acts of aggression.
The Americans havent stopped the Afghans from doing anything, they are free to practice their faith, women are free to go to school, work, artists are free to practice what they like. The Taliban are trying to recapture Afghanistan in order to re-enslave its people.

[goodname]

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Afghans are no cavemen. And perhaps not even cavemen would want to live under the twisted 7th century fiefdom that the taliban, with Pakistan's blessing, once imposed before in their country and want to impose again.

Also, how would Imran Khan and his defenders react if Afghans interfered in Pakistan's affairs in a similar arrogant manner and started justifying the terrorism/jihad by Baloch milatant groups such as the Baloch Liberation Army against Pakistani "occupiers" and Punjabi/mohajir "settlers" in Balochistan. It won't be very pleasing, would it?

[Amal]

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Also, how would Imran Khan and his defenders react if Afghans interfered in Pakistan's affairs in a similar arrogant manner and started justifying the terrorism/jihad by Baloch milatant groups such as the Baloch Liberation Army against Pakistani "occupiers" and Punjabi/mohajir "settlers" in Balochistan. It won't be very pleasing, would it?

That's why we have been saying in this thread that Imran does not need to comment on the internal affairs of Afghanistan. Did you miss the discussion or did not bother to note the point?

[kakaballi]

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The Afghans wouldnt be dying if the Taliban werent hell bent on fighting the Americans. If you ask me, its the Americans who LIBERATED Afghanistan......

twice. Once liberated from the oppressive, unIslamic, communist regime and once from Barbaric Taliban regime. So kind of Uncle Sam to visit Afghanistan so often to liberate it.

[goodname]

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@Amal

That’s why we have been saying in this thread that Imran does not need to comment on the internal affairs of Afghanistan. **Did you miss the discussion or did not bother to note the point? **

I don’t think I am under any obligation to acknowledge all the points that “we” are making. There are people among “we” that are trying to rationalize the jihad/terrorism in Afghanistan even here. Besides, since you probably missed or did not “bother” to “note the point”, let me spell it out again: the question I posed was rhetorical, intended to illustrate that it won’t be very nice if others started paying you in kind, suggesting, for example, that what is ok for Afghanistan is ok for Balochistan too.

[Ali_Syed]

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Afghans are no cavemen. And perhaps not even cavemen would want to live under the twisted 7th century fiefdom that the taliban, with Pakistan's blessing, once imposed before in their country and want to impose again.

Also, how would Imran Khan and his defenders react if Afghans interfered in Pakistan's affairs in a similar arrogant manner and started justifying the terrorism/jihad by Baloch milatant groups such as the Baloch Liberation Army against Pakistani "occupiers" and Punjabi/mohajir "settlers" in Balochistan. It won't be very pleasing, would it?

The Afghans have started paying us back in the same coin, the refuge to TTP in Eastern Afghanistan is a testimony to that.

[Captain1]

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@Med911

The Afghans wouldnt be dying if the Taliban werent hell bent on fighting the Americans.

that is funny, I’ll go again, you want Taliban to bend over when US attacks Afghanistan to remove Taliban out of power so US can install someone they want? In essence, wherever US attacks the then government should bend over, leave the way, allow US to control the country?

@Med911

If you ask me, its the Americans who LIBERATED Afghanistan, and the Taliban trying to conquer it. If people have died due to American presence, its the fault of the Taliban commiting acts of aggression.
The Americans havent stopped the Afghans from doing anything, they are free to practice their faith, women are free to go to school, work, artists are free to practice what they like. The Taliban are trying to recapture Afghanistan in order to re-enslave its people.

Looks like you woke up yesterday so I am not going to say anything more

[Captain1]

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@goodname

Afghans are no cavemen. And perhaps not even cavemen would want to live under the twisted 7th century fiefdom that the taliban, with Pakistan’s blessing, once imposed before in their country and want to impose again.

Also, how would Imran Khan and his defenders react if Afghans interfered in Pakistan’s affairs in a similar arrogant manner and started justifying the terrorism/jihad by Baloch milatant groups such as the Baloch Liberation Army against Pakistani “occupiers” and Punjabi/mohajir “settlers” in Balochistan. It won’t be very pleasing, would it?

Lets go a few years before the “Pakistan’s blessing” shall we?

[Amal]

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I don't think I am under any obligation to acknowledge all the points that "we" are making.

No one is under any obligation on this forum. If you want to personalize it, it's your wish which cannot be granted.

...There are people among "we" that are trying to rationalize the jihad/terrorism in Afghanistan even here. Besides, since you probably missed or did not "bother" to “note the point”, let me spell it out again: the question I posed was rhetorical, intended to illustrate that it won't be very nice if others started paying you in kind, suggesting, for example, that what is ok for Afghanistan is ok for Balochistan too.

I understand you specifically mentioned "how would Imran Khan and his defenders react...", the "we" I referred to was intended to bring your attention towards the fact that most the of PTI-leaning members of PA here have unequivocally expressed their disapproval of the observation made by Imran, not only in this thread, but in other threads also. There may be different reasons for not going along with Imran's statement, including the one you mentioned, but to me, the prime reason is that he does not need to poke his nose into the internal affairs of any country.

Lastly, anyone who tries to rationalize such behaviour, doesn't necessarily have to be Imran Khan's "defenders".

[Med911]

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@Captain1

that is funny, I’ll go again, you want Taliban to bend over when US attacks Afghanistan to remove Taliban out of power so US can install someone they want? In essence, wherever US attacks the then government should bend over, leave the way, allow US to control the country?

Looks like you woke up yesterday so I am not going to say anything more

Ofcourse I dont expect the Taliban to bend over and take it. Would you expect a rabid dog to not bark? So the Taliban will bark till the end. And those dogs will cause the deaths of countless people. The same people that suffered when they ruled over them, now die as a result of their so called jiHAD. The Taiban were illegitimate then and they remain illegitimate now. The Taliban were not a govt, they were a terrorist organization holding an entire a nation and people hostage. So your claim that the Taliban were ever a govt is a joke.

I woke up yesterday, but at least im up… You on the other hand are comatose.

If you think life under the Taliban was so great, why didnt you go live there? You people love to sing their praises from afar, but if your mothers and sisters were ever forced to give up their education, live in tents their entire life, you had to wear a beard by law, no music, no entertainment of any kind, if you had to witness people beaten and executed in the streets, you would probably beg the americans to liberate you.

But keep dreaming.

[Med911]

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twice. Once liberated from the oppressive, unIslamic, communist regime and once from Barbaric Taliban regime. So kind of Uncle Sam to visit Afghanistan so often to liberate it.

The US motives are its own, that no secret.

But the Taliban were, are, and always will be animals. Anyone to throw those SOBs out of power would be a liberator, be it America or even India. The demise of the Taliban would be welcomed by everyone who isn't brain dead.

[Ghost14]

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Can people please stop justifying the Taliban's acts because of America? The US was not right to invade Afghanistan, nor are they right to continue with drone strikes, but that does not excuse the Taliban. Just because someone is fighting America does not mean that we have to support them.

Why does America have to negotiate with India and China? Because of economics. The path to economic prosperity in Pakistan is through the removal of the Taliban, and removing the corrupt elements from the government and the army. People have to be educated. These things have nothing to do with religion.

[Captain1]

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Ofcourse I dont expect the Taliban to bend over and take it. Would you expect a rabid dog to not bark? So the Taliban will bark till the end. And those dogs will cause the deaths of countless people. The same people that suffered when they ruled over them, now die as a result of their so called jiHAD. The Taiban were illegitimate then and they remain illegitimate now. The Taliban were not a govt, they were a terrorist organization holding an entire a nation and people hostage. So your claim that the Taliban were ever a govt is a joke.

I guess Vietnamese, Koreans also barked when they were attacked? If a nation is 'alive' they will fight back, if a nation is coward they will simply bend over and take all that is 'offered'. You, I will differ from what they did as rulers but you and I did not live in Afghanistan when Russia was 'shoving' it. You and I are outsiders of their culture, of their area. If Taliban really were that bad, that much oppressive why did tribes join them? They must have something better to offer? It was not like Taliban rode F-16s and the rest of warlords were riding turtles.

I woke up yesterday, but at least im up... You on the other hand are comatose.

If after being "awake" this is what you think I wonder what you thought when you were "asleep".

If you think life under the Taliban was so great, why didnt you go live there? You people love to sing their praises from afar, but if your mothers and sisters were ever forced to give up their education, live in tents their entire life, you had to wear a beard by law, no music, no entertainment of any kind, if you had to witness people beaten and executed in the streets, you would probably beg the americans to liberate you.

But keep dreaming.

Why does everything come down to "why don't you move there"? You are probably from the likes of "if US is so bad why don't you leave" when they hear US criticism. Now read my comments again and see if I was singing for the "good life" in Afghanistan.

[Ghost14]

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@Captain1

I guess Vietnamese, Koreans also barked when they were attacked? If a nation is 'alive' they will fight back, if a nation is coward they will simply bend over and take all that is 'offered'. You, I will differ from what they did as rulers but you and I did not live in Afghanistan when Russia was 'shoving' it. You and I are outsiders of their culture, of their area. If Taliban really were that bad, that much oppressive why did tribes join them? They must have something better to offer? It was not like Taliban rode F-16s and the rest of warlords were riding turtles. .

I think this part is flawed. Hitler gave the Germans a sense of nationalism, does this justify his crimes afterwards? Similarly, the Taliban "liberated" Afghanistan from the warlords who fought the Soviets, but they are still criminals and terrorists.

[Med911]

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@Captain1

I guess Vietnamese, Koreans also barked when they were attacked? If a nation is 'alive' they will fight back, if a nation is coward they will simply bend over and take all that is 'offered'. You, I will differ from what they did as rulers but you and I did not live in Afghanistan when Russia was 'shoving' it. You and I are outsiders of their culture, of their area. If Taliban really were that bad, that much oppressive why did tribes join them? They must have something better to offer? It was not like Taliban rode F-16s and the rest of warlords were riding turtles.

If after being "awake" this is what you think I wonder what you thought when you were "asleep".

Why does everything come down to "why don't you move there"? You are probably from the likes of "if US is so bad why don't you leave" when they hear US criticism. Now read my comments again and see if I was singing for the "good life" in Afghanistan.

If a snake is "alive" he will also bite back...

And I dont know about, nor do I care about, the nature of Koreans or Vietnamese. We are here to discuss the Taliban. The Taliban are rabid animals, and they dont deserve to be allowed to walk about freely in a civilized society, let alone rule one. When criminals come to power, we dont call it a govt, we call it a dictatorial regime... They have zero legitimacy.

omg, You are HILARIOUS you are... What a witty come back! Good job!

And it comes down to why "dont you live there" because if you going to support these animal, atleast have some credibility to back it up. If you never lived under their rule, how can you call them a legitimate govt? How can you assume they were better then the Americans, when the closest you ever came to actually enjoying the fruits of Taliban rule was from the comfort of you sofa... If they were so great, put your money where your mouth is, and go live among them and see how great they are. Then come back and tell us about it.

Only a fool would champion the cause of criminals...