Re: Imran Khan says Taliban’s ‘holy war’ in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
I agree with you. It is hypocritical and the reason there is so much instability in the region.
Please watch from 4:00 ahead, if short of time to watch the whole thing.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
^^^ The reason why Pakistan is going down is b/c of two faced hypocritical leaders like IK. He is too cowards to call out Taliban for their terrorism, but never misses a chance to attack anyone who criticize these barbarians. What is sad is, its true for most PTI supporters on social media.
Pakistan is going down because of a party that doesnt even have 1 seat in government?
Malala's teacher issued a statement a few days ago saying that she used go support IK, but now has stopped doing so, because she thinks the drone attacks should not be stopped. These taliban should be exterminated etc etc.
Sadly, we are a nation with an inherently animal mentality.
When Benazir is killed, we like to destroy the entire city and set fire to anything within sight, becuase that will somehow bring Benazir back..
When a european cartoonist makes a caricature of Prophet Muhammad SAW, we like to burn our buildings, motorcycles, and cars, because by doing so, we are protecting our Prophets dignity.
When one terrorist shoots at Malala, we like to carpet bomb entire waziristan, because that will satisfy our egos. So frickin what if it kills 5000 innocents along with 17 terrorists hiding among them?
Media can have a field day by twisting the entire logic of Imran's argument and his noise against drone attacks. This is political fodder for the badly bruised political parties in Pakistan. PTI may or may not win anything in the next elections, but a bunch of political puppets will surely sit at the top and make a mockery of the entire garbage that they have thrust the country into. Currently, the political terrorists of Aiwan-e-Sadar scare me more than the whole taliban fraternity combined. Taliban are killing people. Our politicians are killing the country.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
Currently, the political terrorists of Aiwan-e-Sadar scare me more than the whole taliban fraternity combined. Taliban are killing people. Our politicians are killing the country.
Yes, because Zardari is daily beheading is political opponents on lawn of Aiwan-e-Sadar. And, don't worry if you're not scared of taliban fraternity...once they take over the country they will turn into Somalia or Afghanistan (its almost there). Beside, wouldn't want live in those 2 Islamic paradises? And once IK grows beard long enough they could even appoint him Ameer ul Momineen.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
Yes, because Zardari is daily beheading is political opponents on lawn of Aiwan-e-Sadar. And, don't worry if you're not scared of taliban fraternity...once they take over the country they will turn into Somalia or Afghanistan (its almost there). Beside, wouldn't want live in those 2 Islamic paradises? And Once IK grows beard long enough they could even appoint him Ameer ul Momineen.
Absolutely misread my post, which was expected.
Neither I, nor IK, nor PTI has ever talked in favor of terrorism, and never will. IKs anti-drone statements are taken as pro Taliban, which is asinine. Additionally, misquotations and misinterpretations are applied to satisfy PPP and PML-N egos. Nothing new or surprising. Noone wants a taliban govt in Pakistan. PPPs opportunistic garbage, which targets terrorism only when it fuels their political engine is useless for Pakistan as a country, and excellent for PPP as a party. Terrorism has been there for a long time, and has worsened during the past 4-5 years, but Rehman Malik has been telling us for the past 5 years that 'Taliban ki kamar toot chukki hai'. Fact is, I dont even see a fracture, so I wonder if he is talking about the same Taliban that we see killing people randomly on the streets of Pakistan.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
Absolutely misread my post, which was expected.
Neither I, nor IK, nor PTI has ever talked in favor of terrorism, and never will. IKs anti-drone statements are taken as pro Taliban, which is asinine.
40k Pakistanis are dead not from drone attacks, but killed by Taliban. So, why not admit that IK and PTI is milking drone issue for politics, and are too scared of going after Taliban? Heck, IK was more than willing to turn Swat into Taliban kingdom. If he was willing to turn Swat over to Taliban, what makes you think that, if elected, he wouldn't turn country over to Taliban? And the fact he condones Taliban brutalities in Afghanistan as jihad is mind boggling.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban’s ‘holy war’ in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
Good and passionate article by Fahd Hussain, for the past few days seeing the messages of PTI people on social media I am getting confused, as there is no difference in the people belonging to PTI or extreme right, and this thing if not checked will divide the party.
An open letter to Imran Khan | The Nation
Dear Mr Khan,
When people say you are a breath of fresh air in the suffocating Pakistani political environment, I do not disagree. When people say you can smash the moth-eaten status quo in this country of ours, I do not disagree. When people say you can vanquish the demigods perched on our Mount Olympus and send them tumbling down, I do not disagree. You can do all this because you are sincere, honest and a doer.
**So then, Mr Khan, why are you sounding so stale the last few days?
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**Yes, I’m talking about the horrifying attack on Malala Yousafzai and the equally horrifying reaction from your party rank and file.
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**What is clear is that you are not clear on this issue. And your lack of clarity has led to massive confusion within your supporters. As a result, something very serious, very ominous, and very dangerously disappointing is happening.
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**Brand Imran is under threat.
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**Let me explain, sir. Condemning the cowardly attack on Malala is easy. That is why everyone - including the famously ambivalent maulanas and allamas - are also doing it. But condemning those who actually launched the attack suddenly complicates the situation.
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Now don’t get me wrong. I know you have spoken out against the attackers. So have the maulanas and allamas and their assorted sidekicks. No, that is not the issue. The actual issue is wrong contextualising of the situation. This requires clarity of thought borne of a strategic outlook. The moment you and your supporters say “we condemn the attack on Malala and also those who shot her, but…….”, the moment this “but” enters the rationale, the duplicity of thought, the ambiguity of intent, the ambivalence of attitude and the confusion, yes confusion of vision bubbles to the surface like a toxic pollutant.
**Why is that so bad? You ask. Are the lives of those killed by drones cheaper than Malala’s? Are they children of a lesser god?
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**No they are not, Mr Khan. All lives are equally precious. But that is not the point. The drones versus Malala debate - that unfortunately your party leadership and its followers have triggered - is no debate. It is not an ‘either or’ issue. Both are wrong.
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**So why this useless debate then? Here’s where, Mr Khan, I blame you. Why? Because you are the fountain from which your followers drink their political nectar. They parrot you (often nauseatingly on social media), they regurgitate your arguments and they peddle your logic. Your party leadership pushes your line on TV and defends your rationale on public forums.
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**In the last week or so, they have fallen flat on their faces. The reason: your ideas are not fully fleshed out. Some call it intellectual dishonesty. I prefer to call it intellectual laziness.
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You cannot bring yourself to condemn the Pakistani Taliban like you condemn say, Asif Zardari or Nawaz Sharif. Fine. I do not have a problem as long as you have a certain credible logic for it, like you do for your attacks on Zardari and Sharif. But you don’t.
Is it so because, a) Pakistani Taliban are our people, who are misguided and can be reformed? b) They have killed forty thousand other Pakistanis because we are fighting America’s war and so they do, err… kind of, have a point? c) If the drones would stop, they would stop attacking Malalas and Kainats and Shazias, and stop dynamiting girls’ schools and stop demanding their version of the Sharia for the entire Pakistani society? Or Mr Khan, is it what you have said in your Economist interview, that if you condemn them who will protect your party workers from them?
The last one has left me at a loss of words. **Are you saying, Mr Khan, that you will not condemn them, not out of conviction and power of logic, but because of – horror of horrors – fear?
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I can be fearful. Your supporters can be fearful. Even your detractors can be fearful. But none of us, Mr Khan, are claiming the leadership of this country; a bold and courageous leadership, I may add.
I, Mr Khan, am the proud father of seven-year old twin daughters. When I look at Malala lying on that stretcher, and I visualise the faces of my daughters, my eyes well up. The pictures of little babies killed and injured by drone attacks bring a lump in my throat. They are all our children. Not one or the other, but all.
I want a Pakistan where my daughters are respected for their education and the careers they choose. I want a Pakistan, Mr Khan, where my girls can have the same quality education that I was privileged with. And you were too. I want a Pakistan free of medieval shackles on thought and action; a Pakistan that flows with the global current of progress, not against it.
**If the Pakistani Taliban – who you want to negotiate with – have their way, my daughters and millions of other promising, talented daughters of ours, will not have this Pakistan.
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I know you and I want the same Pakistan. I will not doubt for a moment your intentions and your vision for a dynamic, forward-looking Pakistan. Which is why you need to realise that you are ending up contradicting yourself.
**So with utmost respect I say to you, sir: will the real Imran Khan please stand up.
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**The drones are killing us, and the murderers are sitting thousands of miles away. And murderers who have killed forty thousand of our men, women and children; who have slit the throats of our soldiers and videotaped this barbarity, they are here, within our reach.
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**You, Mr Khan, should vow to take both of them on with everything that you have.
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**So be clear. Be categoric. Be honest. And be intellectually transparent. Just like you are with your energy policy, and your health and economic policy. And just like you are in your crusade against corruption.
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**Make no mistake, sir. This fight against extremism is an existential one. Think it through. Your words matter. Your ideas matter. Your thoughts matter. People believe you. And they want to believe in you. Do not let them down like you have the past week.
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You say extremism will fade away once the Americans leave Afghanistan. How? Have you and your party leadership war-gamed the future scenario? Will Hakimullah Mehsud lay down his arms in 2014 and run for Parliament? Will he and his men renounce violence, retract all their claims about Sharia, invite the army and the political administration into North Waziristan and de-weaponise voluntarily? Do you really think so Mr Khan? And if you do, would you care to elaborate this line of thinking?
**You may ask, why am I addressing this to you and not the others. It’s actually pretty simple: I don’t have many expectations from others. The politico-religious leaders are a write-off when it comes to this issue. They are muddled, befuddled, Extremist-Lites. Pakistanis have seen through them. The other politicians sway with the wind and lack spine. They are the reason this country is where it is. The armed forces created these extremists in the first place, and perhaps they will now atone for their sins by going after them.
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**But you, Mr Khan, claim to be the ‘Great Big Hope’. I, for one, hope that you are. God knows, we need hope. But hope is not a plan of action. Clear-headed thinking, leading to clear-headed action, is. Which is why, if you are confused, so are we.
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You have proved to us, with the World Cup victory, with the Shaukat Khanum hospital and with resilient politics, that you have a strong head and heart.
Now, Mr Khan, prove to us this head and heart do not rest on feet of clay.
The writer is the host of “Tonight with Fahd” on Waqt News. Email:
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Twitter: @fahdhusain
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
^^^ The reason why Pakistan is going down is b/c of two faced hypocritical leaders like IK. He is too cowards to call out Taliban for their terrorism, but never misses a chance to attack anyone who criticize these barbarians. What is sad is, its true for most PTI supporters on social media.
True for most supporters but I have always rejected IK's taliban stance. He's certainly confused on the issue. But I dare say that deep down many others in other parties (I won't be surprised if there are some within PPP as well) sympathise with Taliban. They just don't stand out as much as IK because they are not as vocal as him. You recently saw Bilour's (ANP) irresponsible anti-Islam bounty offer
I like IK but I always have and always will oppose his confused stance on Taliban.
The actual issue is wrong contextualization of the situation. Killing of innocent civilians and soldiers/police is just plain wrong. Nothing justifies it. You can't link drones (even if you are against them) with cowardly attacks on innocents incl. Malala
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
Looks like another Amir-ul-Mominin in the making. He is most confused politician with no direction at all.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
So when are we going to see slogans like "bomb IK" and "bomb PTI" by fellow jazbati Pakistani (and perhaps some indians too) members here?
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
^ no (^_^)we are not taliban.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
^yeah we're not taliban...hamen saat khoon maaf hain.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
^ ham ne tou kabhi makhi bhi nahi mari＼(^o^)／dont worry aapa hareem IK ko PTI ko Kuch NA hoga they are very well protected(＾ｰ^)ノ
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban’s ‘holy war’ in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
KABUL:
The reverberations of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf chief Imran Khan’s political gaffe are being felt across the Durand Line.
**The Afghan government has strongly condemned the PTI chief for his statement, said Farhad Azimi, deputy secretary of the Afghan parliament while talking to The Express Tribune.
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**“This is clear interference in Afghanistan’s internal affairs. We urge the Pakistani government to arrest people who support the Taliban,” Azimi said. Imran, while visiting child activist Malala Yousafzai in Peshawar on Thursday, had termed the ongoing war in Afghanistan against foreign troops ‘jihad.’
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Azimi said Afghan President Hamid Karzai will meet members of parliament in a regular session on Saturday (today) to discuss the issue.
He is likely to issue some directions in this regard, Azimi said.
Political slogan
Veteran journalist and political analyst Fahim Dashti said this is not the first time Imran has given such a ‘negative’ statement about Afghanistan.
“It is a political slogan through which Khan wants to gain more support. Clearly this is neither fair nor logical,” Dashti said.
Those who consider terrorism a threat would never support Khan in this stance, Dashti said, adding “even if they are supporting him, he will lose them slowly.”
He said the Afghan people had high expectations from Imran when the PTI emerged as a strong political entity, but he proved to be a conventional politician.
‘Imran supported by Taliban’
“The war in Afghanistan is not jihad. This is a war by terrorists against Afghanistan, its people and the entire international community,” said Hamid Zazai, managing director of Mediothek, an Afghan-German NGO.
He alleged that Khan is receiving support from the Taliban, and that by making such statements, he is just “paving the way for stronger Taliban support than what he is enjoying now.’
Published in The Express Tribune, October 13th, 2012.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban’s ‘holy war’ in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
I think this is where he mentioned this whole jihad thing.
he thinks, Pakistan is in the mess because of the drone strikes and operations in tribal belt.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
I think he made a mistake. He meant to say US is doing jihad in Afghanistan.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
Do you think Afghanistan was better off under Taliban?
It wasn't. But it was an internal matter of Afghanistan. Do you want to justify chaos inside Afghanistan to be a legitimate pretext for foreign intervention?
... with foreign forces slowly pulling out...guess what is going to happen? Its going to be another all out civil war that could spread to Pakistan.
You are right. Afghanistan will plunge into another spell of civil war and Pakistan won't be immune to the repercussions. But the US and the Nato cannot stay in Afghanistan forever. As I said elsewhere, you can impose a war, but you cannot impose peace. Afghan solution must be indigenous or it won't work.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
It wasn't. But it was an internal matter of Afghanistan. Do you want to justify chaos inside Afghanistan to be a legitimate pretext for foreign intervention?
Yes, it was internal matter until America woke up one day decide that it was going to attack Afghanistan for no reason at all...or did you forget the 9/11? To be fair, Taliban did not fall out of sky. They are creation of ISI and Pakistan army until they got out of hand. And even before that, there was regional fight going on in Afghanistan with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and UAE one side and Russia, India and Iran on the other hand. They were all interfering in Afghanistan.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
Yes, it was internal matter until America woke up one day decide that it was going to attack Afghanistan for no reason at all...or did you forget the 9/11? To be fair, Taliban did not fall out of sky. They are creation of ISI and Pakistan army until they got out of hand. And even before that, there was regional fight going on in Afghanistan with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and UAE one side and Russia, India and Iran on the other hand. They were all interfering in Afghanistan.
I agree with you on everything but the point for which this thread was started. I asked you a simple question what would you name the struggle you do against foreign attackers?
You can criticise Imran for interfering in Afghanistan's affairs, I am with you on that. But if you say that Taliban's resistance against foreign forces isn't a jihad, then I will beg to differ with you.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
what would you name the struggle you do against foreign attackers?
depends on the foreign attackers. If it's US and allies you better not call it jihad or otherwise they might put you in GITMO.
Simple.
Re: Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law
now Afghanis are saying that he is a hypocite, would he say the same thing about those who live in tribal areas?
he needs to come out with a clearer stance against these savages. why is he so confused with his views? to me, there was no need to speak on Afghan's internal matters. I have yet to hear him condemn these taliban. no word from him against them. you are either with them or against them. there is no such thing as neutrality.