Imran Khan peeved at Pak loss

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Imran Khan upset at Pakistan defeat, confronts Shaharyar

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LAHORE: Former Pakistan captain Imran Khan was an angry man on Wednesday night after watching Pakistan capitulate against India in the fifth and final One-day international here at Lahore.

And to his bad luck the Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) Shaharyar Khan crossed roads with the former captain just when he was coming out of the commentary box with Pakistan struggling in the 40th over.

Imran lost no opportunity in speaking his mind to the PCB Chairman and asked him to take radical steps to put things right in the team.

As few people looked on, Imran asked the Chairman in a loud voice that what sort of embarrassing performance had Pakistan put up against the Indians.

“Is this any way to lose. You can’t see any planning at all in the bowling or batting. What is coach Javed Miandad doing? It is clear to everyone that we need a bowling coach the way the bowlers are struggling,” he said.

He reminded Shaharyar that while the people were willing to accept defeat after a close fight like in Karachi, it could not tolerate the embarrassing manner of defeats in the last two games in Lahore.

“I think you need to look at things very seriously and see where we are going wrong. There appears to be no planning in the team at all. What sort of team is this that loses its top order to a 19-year old bowler who is raw and barely above medium pace?” Imran questioned Shaharyar.

Imran also told Shaharyar he should ask the team management and players what was the hurry to play their shots early on when they knew that the dew factor would assist them in the latter part of the innings.

“I think you need to do something to put to an end to these embarrassing defeats,” Imran said.

Shaharyar assured him that he also understood the sentiments of the people and the disappointment of losing the series and the Board would look into matters like having a bowling coach, planning and so on.

Pakistan coach Javed Miandad had said on Tuesday that he would like Imran to spare some time and come and help out the bowlers because no one could do this better than him.

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Ah! it's so easy to yell at people when you're a national hero beyond par

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DMD, he has been giving advise to the team management here and there, whenever its required. But nobody listens to him (except the cricket fans who knows what Imran means to Pakistani Cricket and what he has achieved for the nation).

Great Khan always makes sense in his statements on current cricket. He puts hand right on the nerve. Thats how he ran cricket matters in his golden time, eventhough he was captain, but we all know that he was everything. However, there are lots of incident in which he didn't do justice with some of the players of that time, but over all he achieved a lot which no other captain ever did for Pakistan.

In a nut shell, Pakistani team management needs to listen to the greats, specially Khan sahib.

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**Imran Khan peeved at Pak loss **

he ain’t the only 1 and he is spot on with the faults pak sucked in lahore not once but 2wice, we lost matches which we should have won :mad3:

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The King Khan is spot on as usual.

Even a novice could see that planning was the missing ingredient in this team. Maybe had Miandad not being mouthing off without using his head and instead spent his time coaching his players and devising a plan/strategy, the results could have been much different. And waving like a mad man from the gallery during the match does not count as coaching.

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*Originally posted by sambrialian: *
The King Khan is spot on as usual.

Even a novice could see that planning was the missing ingredient in this team. Maybe had Miandad not being mouthing off without using his head and instead spent his time coaching his players and devising a plan/strategy, the results could have been much different. And waving like a mad man from the gallery during the match does not count as coaching.
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lol......i did not see him wving at all in fourth match at least....too bad...i missed something i guess.....

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Imran Khan's a very experienced cricketer and it doesn't take him long to figure out the problem and for solutions for it. Why doesn't he take up the job of coaching Pakistan team?

I'm sure if he was to offer his coaching services to PCB he won't be turned down.

Also, who is really to blame? Coaches alone or the players as well?

I see coaches being blamed left and right very often. No doubt the coaches are responsible for team performance and discipline, but I'd also put the blame on cricketers as well.

We keep changing and blaming coaches one after another. I think not only should we get a better coach, but also make sure that the players start using a bit of their brains when out on the field.

IMHO, Pakistan lost mainly because of its poor batting than its bowling.

Anyway, I think its about time Imran Khan makes some sort of solid decision and starts coaching Pakistan. Not only would he be a good bowling coach, but I'm sure he will also be able to put some sense into our top order batsmen who love to throw their wickets away and leave everything for the tailenders.

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I have great respect for Imran Khan but as of late he is playing more of a Monday Morning Quarterback. Why the hell did he wait til the 40th over to go give advice. He could have gone before the final match or any time during the series.

From his actions as of late, I think he wants to be in the top cricket scene in the country. I would love for that to happen but he is taking the wrong route. Just make yourself available and I am sure PCB would love to have you. Or may be they are too intimidated by his solo style of management.

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coaches are blamed for the simple reason that they are responsible for harnessing the talent - and if you are abundant with that and still dont perform - naturally it is coach's problem...

for ex - we all no Messrs Shoaib , Sami and Shabbir are highly talented -now when they went awry in the first couple of ODIs - is it not the job of the coach to correct them?

or when coupla wickets fell early in the last ODI is it not the coach's job of telling the batsmen - please hold on to your horses - play sensibly as dew factor will fetch you runs later?

Miandad is undoubtedly a good cricketer - but certainly not a professional coach

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So you think the coaches that we've had so far don't tell'em that?

Also, I wonder how much these players listen to their coach and captain.

I remember watching Inzimam telling Shabbir to be careful with the extras. Yet Shabbir kept bowling extras as well as everyone else.

All of us know that some of the players aren't very enthusiastic about showing up for pratices. At times they even get into fights with the coach and management. Hence, my reason for not blaming the coaches (that we've had so far) alone.

Basically, I got no problems with removing Miandad and bringing in someone else to coach. Heck... we do it all the time, yet I see the team facing the same problems such as our bowlers giving away too many runs and extras, often top order batsmen getting out during the early stages of the game, and not to forget the number of catches our fielders drop.

All in all, I'd blame the players just as much as I blame the coach.

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*Originally posted by funguy: *
I have great respect for Imran Khan but as of late he is playing more of a Monday Morning Quarterback. Why the hell did he wait til the 40th over to go give advice. He could have gone before the final match or any time during the series.

From his actions as of late, I think he wants to be in the top cricket scene in the country. I would love for that to happen but he is taking the wrong route. Just make yourself available and I am sure PCB would love to have you. Or may be they are too intimidated by his solo style of management.
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my thoughts exactly

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We lost the final due to one reason only: our top order got out playing reckless shots when that is the ONLY thing they had to guard against chasing a gettable total. It wasn't rocket science, before the innings that's exactly what we on GS were advising. If the coach and captain gave similar advice it was completely ignored.

Anyhow, won't blame the coach for youngsters losing their heads but I agree with Khan that the planning and strategy has been far too haphazard in the series so far. No balls and wides have been plaguing us for too long now and it hasn't been addressed properly. A proper opening pair could have avoided the early collapse as Yaasir, good player that he is, is prone to reckless shots. If he'd been no 3 it would have released Yoyo to play at no 5 where he is much more dangerous and effective than Younis Khan, instead of being exposed to the new ball. Taufeeq should have been playing from the first game so he wouldn't have been under pressure in the final. The amount of gaffes made is laughable really.

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You lost the final because of the inability to step up. Call it inexperience, call it nerves call it whatever you want. The teams were so evenly matched that the team whih could not handle the pressure of the big day, was going to lose. That is exactly what happened.

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^true.

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Re: Imran Khan peeved at Pak loss

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Pakistan coach Javed Miandad had said on Tuesday that he would like Imran to spare some time and come and help out the bowlers because no one could do this better than him.
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Miandad is right too, maybe The Great Khan would want to help out with the bowling coaching rather than speaking his mind a bit too much from the fence. Baatain to sabb hi kar laitain hai na.

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seriously inran is rite…the dew made it ezier to score runs…heck even moin and shoib malik made 50’s…and they wer both horribly out of form…so inzi shudav stayed …and not gone fer that 6…he wudav made 150 easily…and even sami made 22…wat was yunus khan and taufeeq umars hurry? :mad3: o god we seriously need a bolwin and fielding coach (to teach em how to catch and hit the stumps directly)—look at indias fielding…jus look at kaif and yuvraj…maybe imran nazir shud be made 12th man…and we hav slip experts?..i read that sumwer on a thread…well think again…did u see those drops at peshawar that inzi and hameed had in the slips???

and yeah…taufeeq and farhat shud open…wit hameed comin in at no3…and yoyo at 4 or 5…along wit inzi…cuz yoyo’s useless wit the newball…heck inzi shud com b4 yoyo cuz inzi can open…hes don it b4…so he can handle the new ball!!

y cant we produce another javed, imran khan and a wasim??? particularily we need another Imran…we need a genuine allrounder that can take wickets and score runs on a regular basis…and we need a clever captain…look at how smart imran was…he even went to oxford…lol…ok yeah…but inzi is a dumbass and is too much of an introvert…he dusnt even shout at the players/praise em…maybe moin shud be made captain again…or promoted to vice captain!!!

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*Originally posted by Matsui: *
You lost the final because of the inability to step up. Call it inexperience, call it nerves call it whatever you want. The teams were so evenly matched that the team whih could not handle the pressure of the big day, was going to lose. That is exactly what happened.
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I'm not denying that. But there have to be questions asked about some decisions for example whether to bowl or bat first under lights. Inzimam appeared to be clueless as to what is the best strategy in his own country despite having played many games in such conditions before. Ganguly in comparison seemed very clear that he would have batted first regardless. This kind of muddle-headedness is inexcusable for me.

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Xtreme we can look at many instances, choices--happenstance etc that might make the final outcome more palatable. That is all people can do.

Take the two matches at lahore, after the first loss, the dew was blamed. The in the second match dew was also there but there were also a lot more machChar and haze in the stadium for India to contend with. THey still won...It comes down to nerves. THere was immense pressure on Pakistan, much more than India. The lads just didn't measure up to it..that's it.

You keep blaming the openers for Pak. Indian operners haven't really lit it up either...

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You are missing the point Matsui. I'm not concerned about winning or losing, when batsmen play wrong shot due to nerves or recklessness that is happenstance and out of anyone's control. My issue is with the fact that Pakistani think tank didn't appear to know about the effects of dew despite having played under lights so many times. So in the first match they batted first, then after losing tried bowling first. Don't they know by now that dew makes the ball wet in floodlit matches in Pakistan? If they do (and there's no excuse for not knowing) then they should have been consistent and bowled first in the first match as well. This dew taking the Pakistani camp by surprise is laughable to me.

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It wasn't the dew, it was nerves, bad catching (catches win matches) and the strange decision to drop Afridi.

Pakistan has to stick with a core team of 16 and not chop and change. If you've selected Afridi give him one more chance - at least he doesn't drop catches. And who knows, he could have fired after 2 failures.

Imran and Miandad may be great players but they're feudal. India had the same problem - all these wadekar and kapil types were useless.